I don't like Donald Trump.

He is a bully, he's used to getting his way. He's a successful businessman due to his advisors and analysts not any special personal talent other than listening to those advisors.

Gary Johnson is closer to my belief set than either 'major' candidate, but does he have a realistic chance to win? As of now I don't believe that's possible and so, also as of now, I will vote for Trump.

Allowing another Clinton regime to gain control of the White House will finish the job of morally bankrupting our country. To allow someone of Hillary's mentality to control the IRS, FBI, DOJ and Treasury scares me to death(as it does a lot of people, hence Trump's base).

The litany of offenses recited by Director Comey, and her blatant lies regarding almost everything demonstrate a person who could be termed a sociopath with no regard for anyone but herself.

My question for Hillary supporters is "Why do you believe she's telling YOU the truth?"

Quite, the way to stop the country becoming morally bankrupt is to put a person in the White House who cannot tell the truth more than half the time (see the Politifact data posted earlier) To answer your question, perhaps Hillary's supporters have the sense to do their own fact checking.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Allowing another Clinton regime to gain control of the White House will finish the job of morally bankrupting our country.

Trump's consistent business strategy of not honoring contracts he has entered into and not paying contractors in full for services they have rendered is morally corrupt, he is at least as bad as Hillary. If you disagree then you think theft is less dishonorable than lying. The ten commandments puts them on a par.

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Is all this Trump and Brexit support a failure to understand globalisation.
FT - The revenge of globalisation’s losers

Paywall

Just registration, well it is for me.

Is all this Trump and Brexit support a failure to understand globalisation.
FT - The revenge of globalisation’s losers

Or....

Maybe they DO understand Globalization and want no part of it...

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Is all this Trump and Brexit support a failure to understand globalisation.
FT - The revenge of globalisation’s losers

Or....

Maybe they DO understand Globalization and want no part of it...

Do they have a choice, even if they vote against it?

Do they have a choice, even if they vote against it?

Yes. Not what you think.
And more and more people are realizing it.

Brexit wasn't Boris & Farage.
People feeling the Bern were not under the spell of Bernie's enchanted flute.
61% of Greeks are NOT die-hard Varoufakis-or-bust voters.

Exaggerated statements obviously but I truly believe they are FAR more true than not. Here's one more:

If Trump gets 40% of the vote, does that mean 40% of Americans are dying to get the Trump wall built? Muslims banned? Of course not.

What a lot of people appear to be voting for this past year is:
""Screw VW, Wall Street, TTIP etc. and start paying attention to ME"

This is a political crisis, so yes it makes complete sense for politicians to get the blame.
The New Deal created the middle class, not economics.

And The New Deal has been dealt non-stop blows these past few decades.
By BOTH parties.
In EVERY western world country.

Blows that were all political.

And to be honest I'm super-glad it's being done through voting and not pitchforks.

But depending on just how stubborn and unwise these Establishment politicians get... Well I guess pitchforks won't be far off.

The New Deal created the middle class, not economics.

Hasn't there always been a middle class?
Or at least since the Middle Ages, when we had slaves, serfs, villiens, freemen and lords of the manor. With the freemen being the equivalent of middle class.

The New Deal created the middle class, not economics.

Hasn't there always been a middle class?
Or at least since the Middle Ages, when we had slaves, serfs, villiens, freemen and lords of the manor. With the freemen being the equivalent of middle class.

@ WinterKnight:

Ehh... Yes and no...

Yes, there has been a middle class for a very long time. At LEAST as far back as the 'middle ages'...

But, there is a misunderstanding on what the middle class is, it seems.

Middle class does not depend on income, but on what a person does for a living.

Middle class is the social class between the upper class and the working class. It consists of degreed professionals (physicians, lawyers, etc.), Government officials, and businessmen (merchants).

We have:

1. Upper class (nobility, those rich beyond the dreams of avarice, etc.)

2. Middle Class.

3. Working Class.

4. The Poor.

The 'freemen' in your example would (mostly) be 'Working Class'.

@ Alex,

No... The 'New Deal' did not create the middle class. Nor, did it create the working class. At best, some measures of the New Deal kept 'the poor' alive through the Great Depression, though at cost to the economy as members of the Upper Class, the Middle Class, and to some extent the Working Class had to PAY for it.

The ONLY way the 'New Deal' benefited the 'Middle Class' was in the expansion of bureaucrats and other Government officials, thereby expanding the ranks of the Middle Class.

What has made Trump so popular is the anger and frustration of the Working Class, as Globalization has done away with the jobs that many of the working class used to do.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

helter skelter or drumpf enthusiasts ...
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/07/08/calls-race-war-aftermath-dallas-police-shootings

“As freemen and citizens, we in The League will arm ourselves, defend public order and property, and stand beside our brothers and sisters in the peace keeping profession,” said Michael Hill, president of the neo-Confederate and increasingly anti-Semitic League of the South.
...
On Stormfront, the largest white supremacist website, one user wrote: “Well, if they keep this **** up then, yeah, there will be a war.” Another anonymous Stormfront poster using the name: “Kriegsberichter-NZ,” was more blunt. “Race war is here,” he said.
...
The racist right is fascinated –– even enamored at times –– with a coming race war, the perennial subject of racist books like The Turner Diaries, which inspired Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVeigh.

“The center cannot and will not hold,” wrote Matt Parrott, co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network and the Traditionalist Worker Party, groups that were at the center of a bloody melee that erupted during a protest in Sacramento that left several people stabbed and wounded.

“Probably not tomorrow, most likely not in the coming year, but soon, sooner than we’re ready (not that one can ever truly be ready), race war is coming to America,” Parrott wrote.

Surprisingly, the calls for war were not limited to the radical right. Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh said on Twitter, “This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you.”
...
Writing on VK, a Russian version of Facebook, one user named Mairi Macleod-Fraser, echoed the calls for a race war and said the time to had come to draw a line and chose sides.

Writing in all caps, Macleod-Fraser ranted, “I’m angry, I’m furious, I about to bust at the f*****g seams. … War is imminent and you must choose now!!!!!!!! Us or them? I chose the side of national socialism, the side of the white race, the side of my people.”

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Don't nitpick etymology when it's not the central point of discussion.

You asked a question (which I assumed was not rhetorical) and it went like this:

Can politics reign in the ill effects of Globalization?

I assumed you said "one has no control over the other"

and my answer is:

Since politics are mostly to blame for the ill effects of THIS version of globalization (and not economics) it is both sensible and pragmatic to vote the politicians out. The kerfuffle is that BOTH parties are getting the finger to one extent or another all across the 2-party status-quo of the western world.

Let me try an example:

To say "the UK cannot afford the NHS anymore" makes sense... superficially.

Because it's a half truth. But I know you are a numbers man and the numbers are saying:

"We can't afford the NHS and hand-out tax-breaks to the rich for the 3rd decade in a row". One of the 2 has to go.

Then add to that:
The war against scientists.
The war on the middle class.
TTIP and other trade deals
Citizens United
Too Big to Fail
Too Big to Jail
Corporate welfare
Monopolies
Tax havens
Pensions that have been paid for, gone or reduced
Real wars with dubious motives
Mass incarcerations
Mass surveillance
etc.

That's a pretty long list!

It's silly to accuse "the simpletons" of voting crudely. Rather I think it's time "smart people" read a book or two instead of poorly written news articles.

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But I'll answer your other question too:

Hasn't there always been a middle class?

Yes and no.
The middle class I was referring to was created by The New Deal and did not exist before. At all.
It was politically created by "The Great Compression".

helter skelter or drumpf enthusiasts ...
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/07/08/calls-race-war-aftermath-dallas-police-shootings

“As freemen and citizens, we in The League will arm ourselves, defend public order and property, and stand beside our brothers and sisters in the peace keeping profession,” said Michael Hill, president of the neo-Confederate and increasingly anti-Semitic League of the South.
...
On Stormfront, the largest white supremacist website, one user wrote: “Well, if they keep this **** up then, yeah, there will be a war.” Another anonymous Stormfront poster using the name: “Kriegsberichter-NZ,” was more blunt. “Race war is here,” he said.
...
The racist right is fascinated –– even enamored at times –– with a coming race war, the perennial subject of racist books like The Turner Diaries, which inspired Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVeigh.

“The center cannot and will not hold,” wrote Matt Parrott, co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network and the Traditionalist Worker Party, groups that were at the center of a bloody melee that erupted during a protest in Sacramento that left several people stabbed and wounded.

“Probably not tomorrow, most likely not in the coming year, but soon, sooner than we’re ready (not that one can ever truly be ready), race war is coming to America,” Parrott wrote.

Surprisingly, the calls for war were not limited to the radical right. Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh said on Twitter, “This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you.”
...
Writing on VK, a Russian version of Facebook, one user named Mairi Macleod-Fraser, echoed the calls for a race war and said the time to had come to draw a line and chose sides.

Writing in all caps, Macleod-Fraser ranted, “I’m angry, I’m furious, I about to bust at the f*****g seams. … War is imminent and you must choose now!!!!!!!! Us or them? I chose the side of national socialism, the side of the white race, the side of my people.”

Ah, racism rears its ugly head... again...

It makes me sick.

And it is not just limited to whites, or to far-right persons.

Did anyone see Rudy Giuliani on CBS News' "Face the Nation" yesterday?


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/giuliani-blacks-crime-problem-dallas-police-rap-music-chicago/

He said, of course, a bit more in the interview than was reported in this piece, but even what CBS reported makes a LOT of sense.

Here is one section from the article:

Giuliani said the phrase "Black Lives Matter," which has been the key slogan for those advocating against police brutality and for criminal justice reform, is "inherently racist."

"Of course black lives matter, and they matter greatly," he said. "But when you focus in on 1 percent of less than 1 percent of the murder that's going on in America and you make it a national thing, and all of you in the media make it much bigger than the black kid that's getting killed in Chicago every 14 hours, you create a disproportion."

One thing that this article left out was when he said, right after 'matter greatly' was 'all lives matter.' Sadly, they don't have the show transcript posted on their website yet... The latest transcript they have posted was July 3rd... maybe in a few days, they will have the July 10th show transcript posted.

But, I wouldn't expect it to be expedited in any way... After all, he blames the news media for fanning the flames, so to speak, and blowing things all out of proportion.

Former NYC Mayor Giuliani makes a LOT of good points in this interview. If you can find the unedited video of the interview online, I strongly urge you to view it. The story I linked to is just a brief, rather edited, outline of his remarks.

Personally, I would say that ALL organizations that advocate for the benefit of one particular race are inherently racist.

This includes, in my opinion, not only BLM but also the NAACP, SPLC, even the JDL, in addition to the AN, KKK, NAZIs and ALL other similar organizations. Racist Hate Groups, ALL of them.

ALL lives matter. Picking only some out, like BLM, for instance, does just interjects division among us. They make worse the very problem they claim to be trying to solve.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Hmm. Many voters in the US now don't want any globalization because America will lose jobs.
So why will so many want Donald as a president that built a fortune from the effects of globalization?

Trump has built his campaign — and secured his spot as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee — largely by aligning himself with voter unrest over free trade.
He has slammed American companies for moving manufacturing jobs to countries such as China and Mexico.

Five ways Donald Trump benefits from the globalization he says he hates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/28/five-ways-donald-trump-benefits-from-the-globalization-he-says-he-hates/

Hmm. Many voters in the US now don't want any globalization because America will lose jobs.
So why will so many want Donald as a president that built a fortune from the effects of globalization?

Trump has built his campaign — and secured his spot as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee — largely by aligning himself with voter unrest over free trade.
He has slammed American companies for moving manufacturing jobs to countries such as China and Mexico.

Five ways Donald Trump benefits from the globalization he says he hates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/28/five-ways-donald-trump-benefits-from-the-globalization-he-says-he-hates/

In answer, Trump is lying, playing off the Working Class' fears for his own political advantage, just like all politicians do.

A truism in the USA (and perhaps the world):

Question: How do you know a politician is lying?

Answer: Their lips are moving.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

If You Ding Dongs would have Listened to DJT's Speech Today in Va. Beach, VA-from Beginning to End-You Would Have a Lot Different Opinion of Him.

This Man Means Business. And Not, Givin' Da Bizness, To American People, but Working His and His Admin's Asses Off to STRAIGHTEN OUT This BUREAUCRATIC MESS Destroying America.

Keep Not Liking, Something YOU HAVE NO IDEA About.

BIG DON. Making America and Americans, GREAT Again.

Yankee Doodle Yappin'

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Question: How do you know a politician is lying?

Answer: Their lips are moving.

Well, Bobbie's stats http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77605&postid=1801632 say half the time when Hillary's lips move truth escapes. Must mean she isn't a politician!

But his stats have Drumpf's pants burned off!

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[snip]Did anyone see Rudy Giuliani on CBS News' "Face the Nation" yesterday?


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/giuliani-blacks-crime-problem-dallas-police-rap-music-chicago/

He said, of course, a bit more in the interview than was reported in this piece, but even what CBS reported makes a LOT of sense.

Here is one section from the article:

Giuliani said the phrase "Black Lives Matter," which has been the key slogan for those advocating against police brutality and for criminal justice reform, is "inherently racist."

"Of course black lives matter, and they matter greatly," he said. "But when you focus in on 1 percent of less than 1 percent of the murder that's going on in America and you make it a national thing, and all of you in the media make it much bigger than the black kid that's getting killed in Chicago every 14 hours, you create a disproportion."

One thing that this article left out was when he said, right after 'matter greatly' was 'all lives matter.' Sadly, they don't have the show transcript posted on their website yet... The latest transcript they have posted was July 3rd... maybe in a few days, they will have the July 10th show transcript posted.

But, I wouldn't expect it to be expedited in any way... After all, he blames the news media for fanning the flames, so to speak, and blowing things all out of proportion.

Former NYC Mayor Giuliani makes a LOT of good points in this interview. If you can find the unedited video of the interview online, I strongly urge you to view it. The story I linked to is just a brief, rather edited, outline of his remarks.

Personally, I would say that ALL organizations that advocate for the benefit of one particular race are inherently racist.

This includes, in my opinion, not only BLM but also the NAACP, SPLC, even the JDL, in addition to the AN, KKK, NAZIs and ALL other similar organizations. Racist Hate Groups, ALL of them.

ALL lives matter. Picking only some out, like BLM, for instance, does just interjects division among us. They make worse the very problem they claim to be trying to solve.

OK, I'll bite and call BS on this attack on BLM. The slogan is there because it's not appreciated by all that those lives do matter. Of course all lives matter, there's just not the same need to say it about white lives, as these are not in as great a jeopardy of an early end. Protesting BLM and replacing it with ALM is the way to business as usual.

Washington Post wrote:

black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers ... unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer

(source)

If law enforcement were color blind, you might be right to argue BLM is an inherently racist slogan; and before the "but there are proportionally more violent criminals that are black" argument is made, from the same Washington Post article:

“The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black,” said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report’s authors, said in April. “Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed.”

Saying Black Lives Matter is not elevating one group over others, it's acknowledging there's already a disparity that needs to be addressed.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

White Officer: Let Me See Your Hands.

Black Unarmed Life: F**K You Whitey
White Unarmed Life: Yes Sir(while showing hands)

White Officer Again: Let Me See Your Hands

Black Unarmed Life: F**K Off Racist Bi**h(while moving hands to pants waist)

White Officer: STOP! Put Your Hands where I Can See Them!

Black Unarmed Life Again: Kiss My Black Ass Whitey!(While hands continue to Threaten)

White Officer Again: LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS! NOW!

Black Unarmed Life: F**K All Of You Whiteys!(As Hand/Hands move QUICKLY Towards Cop)

White Officer: Calls In Shooting while Looking Down At Dead Black Unarmed Life.

What Matters? Lies More Lies and STATISTICS Lie Most.

Law and Order BIG DON for Prez. Make America and Americans GREAT Again.

Show Your Yap, Whether asked or Not.

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Poster 1: Yadda yadda yadda.

Poster 2: Show me your evidence.

Poster 1: FracK You, Poster 2. Don't interrupt my bull-splat.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Bill Clinton's law license was suspended for five years in Arkansas and he was also suspended from practicing law in front of the Supreme Court over the Lewinski incident.

Mr. Clinton was given the opportunity to contest his Supreme Court disbarment, but declined to do so.

He also paid a $25,000 fine over the Lewinski incident in order to avoid being disbarred in the state of Arkansas.

He also paid an $850,000settlement over the Lewinski incident.


In addition, a federal court imposed a civil contempt penalty of more than $900,000 on President Clinton for violating its orders.

He was also fined $90,000 for giving false testimony in the Paula Jones case.

So Bill Clinton, a disbarred lawyer, a President who was fined for lying under oath, asks the American people to believe him when he says the best thing for the Country is 4 years for Hillary.

Just wanted to make sure I had it right . .

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Bill Clinton's law license was suspended for five years in Arkansas and he was also suspended from practicing law in front of the Supreme Court over the Lewinski incident.

Mr. Clinton was given the opportunity to contest his Supreme Court disbarment, but declined to do so.

He also paid a $25,000 fine over the Lewinski incident in order to avoid being disbarred in the state of Arkansas.

He also paid an $850,000settlement over the Lewinski incident.


In addition, a federal court imposed a civil contempt penalty of more than $900,000 on President Clinton for violating its orders.

He was also fined $90,000 for giving false testimony in the Paula Jones case.

So Bill Clinton, a disbarred lawyer, a President who was fined for lying under oath, asks the American people to believe him when he says the best thing for the Country is 4 years for Hillary.

Just wanted to make sure I had it right . .

Just wanted to make sure you are posting about Clinton in a Trump thread, speaking to a group where few to no Hillary supporters exist. I'm right. Thanks.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.