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Message 1799409 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 17:39:21 UTC

elect a war criminal ...
and you too will get it, if you don't vote for him!
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Message 1799485 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 21:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 1799410.  

Clyde that'a the argument the LNP is running here and I don't think anybody is listening , there listening to other things

Like giving a 57 billion tax cut to companys (US shareholders benefit not us)

The tearing down of Medicare our Universal health care

Private Education over Public Education

Stuff the economy it's fine only the mugrels in office are the ones that are the problem

So don't be surprised if it's not Just the economy stupid

Case in point Brexit !!!
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Message 1799528 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 0:51:22 UTC
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Nate has spoken for the first time in 2016, fivethirtyeight - Who will win the presidency?

Hillary Clinton - 80.3%, Donald Trump - 19.7%

If you are not familiar with Nate Silver then Guardian - Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts can be your introduction.
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Message 1799535 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 1:20:58 UTC

Let's See. New Poll says: Madame Yoga 44, Big Don 38. Plus/Minus 3.5.

Dat Means: Big Don 41.5, Madame Crooked 40.5
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Madame PantSuitFelon 47.5, Big Don 34.5

or, well, Make Your Own Combo Nation wif dA Plus/Minus.

I Likee Big Don @ 41.5, Madame BarkCoughFlipFlop 40.5

And Not One Paid fO Neg Ad or Otherwise by Big Don's Campaign against Madame Lyin'CrookedFlipFloppin' Wifey of A 'Real' 'Character'. heheeheee.

Oh, And dat Silver Guy. His Models are SHAT fO this Election. He, Along wif Everyone Else Gots da Primaries WRONG and their Models are Worthless fO dA General. 'Cause dere's A New Sheriff In Town, and dA RULES DON'T APPLY.

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Message 1799541 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 1:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 1799535.  

Let's See. New Poll says: Madame Yoga 44, Big Don 38. Plus/Minus 3.5.

Dat Means: Big Don 41.5, Madame Crooked 40.5
or
Madame PantSuitFelon 47.5, Big Don 34.5

or, well, Make Your Own Combo Nation wif dA Plus/Minus.

I Likee Big Don @ 41.5, Madame BarkCoughFlipFlop 40.5

And Not One Paid fO Neg Ad or Otherwise by Big Don's Campaign against Madame Lyin'CrookedFlipFloppin' Wifey of A 'Real' 'Character'. heheeheee.

Oh, And dat Silver Guy. His Models are SHAT fO this Election. He, Along wif Everyone Else Gots da Primaries WRONG and their Models are Worthless fO dA General. 'Cause dere's A New Sheriff In Town, and dA RULES DON'T APPLY.

Yap


4 months is a long time till the real campain starts !!

Lets see what happens with Brexit , I think that may change ppl's mind if it goes belly up and not vote Trump , new sheriff or what ever ! ,there are International consequences for some of the things he's saying
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Message 1799542 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 1:52:59 UTC - in response to Message 1799535.  

I Likee Big Don

Dull who was once a worm you continue to show poor taste, that may not be your fault, is it possible that you have FAS?
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Message 1799574 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 5:40:39 UTC

My campaign would consist mainly of the following. If you have liked the way the last 8 years have gone then by all means vote for Hillary since she and Bill sponsored Obama into the Presidency. If on the other hand you are sick of the way things have been run either vote for Donald or vote to replace every member of the house of representatives and 1/3 of the senate or both.
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Message 1799576 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 5:47:30 UTC - in response to Message 1799574.  

I think that should be can't stand the a$$***es vote Gary Johnson, make America sane again.
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Message 1799578 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 6:12:22 UTC - in response to Message 1799576.  

I think that should be can't stand the a$$***es vote Gary Johnson, make America sane again.

The libertarian candidate, while being more to my liking, can never gain the support of enough of the voting population to do more than give the election to Hillary.
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Message 1799624 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:30:29 UTC - in response to Message 1799620.  

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 43% of the vote, while Clinton earns 39%. Twelve percent (12%) still like another candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

Hillary MUST GO!

After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.
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Message 1799657 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 14:34:14 UTC - in response to Message 1799633.  

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 43% of the vote, while Clinton earns 39%. Twelve percent (12%) still like another candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

Hillary MUST GO!

After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.

WinterKnight...

Regarding this election. Don't believe any poll. As with some past Presidential Elections. Kerry vs. Bush Jr. being the most recent.

Polling had Kerry winning, and most importantly. The 'Exit Polling' on Election Day, showed Kerry winning a large margin. Resulting in many News Organizations 'Declaring' a Kerry Victory, after the polls closed.

Those living in a Fantasy Bubble (News Organizations, Political Establishments, etc). Have no clue what is happening 'On the Ground' in the USA.

Hillary MUST GO!

I don't, but an analysis of polls as done by fivethirtyeight is to a certain extent believable. Nate got it almost right in the 2008 election and spot on in the 2012 presidential elections, and when he gets it wrong as he did earlier in the GOP nomination, he admits it and also goes back and tries to find out why. So that in the future his models are more accurate.
Go take a look at how his models work, http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-users-guide-to-fivethirtyeights-2016-general-election-forecast/ it is quite a long read, maybe more that you can manage at one sitting;-)

But you for whatever reason decide to highlight the results of one, known to be biased organisation seeming declaring there had been a sudden change of mind by a large percentage of the American people.

A move I would say is irresponsible.
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Message 1799666 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 15:07:43 UTC

One problem here is that very few of us would be considered a run of the mill average everyday citizen or voter making it a little more difficult to fathom the thinking of most of the voting public. I still don't understand how a majority of English voters thought that leaving the EU is a smart or the right thing to do. I think it is a perfect example of the old saying "cutting off your nose to spite your face"

We may be on the verge of a similar fate here in the USA. I personally can't stand the thought of Hillary Clinton spending 4 more years in the White House so I am reluctantly willing to cast my vote and my lot with Donald Trump. I figure he will be impeached within a year so I hope the republicans pick a capable vice presidential candidate.
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Message 1799667 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 15:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1799666.  

To answer your 1st statement.

Let's say that the U.S. has 51 states all doing well enough, but there is no federal government.

Will you vote on electing a federal government to govern all 51 states?
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Message 1799677 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 16:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1799667.  

To answer your 1st statement.

Let's say that the U.S. has 51 states all doing well enough, but there is no federal government.

Will you vote on electing a federal government to govern all 51 states?

That's the point, our forefathers did vote for a federal government and the USA wouldn't even have 13 states without that government. It almost didn't happen. All thirteen states had to compromise their wants and desires to come up with a constitution that gave all of them a reason to sign up. IMHO England stood to gain more by being a member of the EU than they can ever achieve standing alone. The English empire is long gone and will never return.

And yes, even knowing the dark side of having a strong Federal government I would vote to have one or keep one.

Who knows how many wars north america would have had were there 50-51 independent states squabbling over trade, mineral and water rights and taxes and tariffs, not to mention immigration between the states. What a mess that would have been
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Message 1799680 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 16:07:32 UTC - in response to Message 1799666.  

One problem here is that very few of us would be considered a run of the mill average everyday citizen or voter making it a little more difficult to fathom the thinking of most of the voting public. I still don't understand how a majority of English voters thought that leaving the EU is a smart or the right thing to do. I think it is a perfect example of the old saying "cutting off your nose to spite your face"

We may be on the verge of a similar fate here in the USA. I personally can't stand the thought of Hillary Clinton spending 4 more years in the White House so I am reluctantly willing to cast my vote and my lot with Donald Trump. I figure he will be impeached within a year so I hope the republicans pick a capable vice presidential candidate.

There's a number of news clips showing people who voted "Leave" thinking it would never win. Your vote for Trump might be similarly misguided. There is a 3rd candidate ...
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1799683 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 16:10:53 UTC - in response to Message 1799677.  

Fair comment. However, after what has been seen throughout Europe these past 7 days, saying "cutting our nose to spite our face" is a bit too much don't you think?

Europe itself is fed up with the EU but didn't have the courage to stand up & say so. Britain did. Who mentioned a British Empire?

This is about the future. States are one thing, countries are another.
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Message 1799709 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 17:55:20 UTC - in response to Message 1799677.  

That's the point, our forefathers did vote for a federal government and the USA wouldn't even have 13 states without that government. It almost didn't happen. All thirteen states had to compromise their wants and desires to come up with a constitution that gave all of them a reason to sign up. IMHO England stood to gain more by being a member of the EU than they can ever achieve standing alone. The English empire is long gone and will never return.

An important difference as I understand it is here in the US we can vote the scoundrels out of office and elect new ones to change the law, in the EU that is not possible as I see it.
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