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Message 1789890 - Posted: 23 May 2016, 23:38:15 UTC - in response to Message 1789879.  

... maybe we should tear up them old European treaties called the U.N and then we can tell you lot to F-off when your nutters try and come here :-)


LOL

Glenn, your 'Trump' is showing. :P


Yeh but I don't have the RED BUTTON and he will :-)


So, you are honestly afraid of

THIS

happening if Trump is elected???
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Message 1789892 - Posted: 23 May 2016, 23:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 1789890.  
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MK a skilled operator NEVER Pushes the BIG RED BUTTON unless there is no other choice

Doubt Trump can't Turn his I-Pad on let alone work it he'd be paying someone to do that for him :-)
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Message 1789893 - Posted: 23 May 2016, 23:48:32 UTC
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@ Major Kong.
It depends on which commander of the US Air Force being selected by Trump.

The present nuclear threat from domestic, foreign countries and terrorist organizations keep Dr. Strangelove relevant and it is the film itself that continues to remind its audience of one horrific fact—accidents will happen.
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Message 1789895 - Posted: 23 May 2016, 23:54:10 UTC

As for weather I think he would use nukes Pushed into a corner yes , I'm more worried he won't be able to handle things and they will get out of hand before he realises , Forever the showman .

International Politics is much different

Will he a line himself with the TEA Party Types or be middle of the road , He's not a socialist so no worry's there :-)
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Message 1789898 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 0:22:29 UTC
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Actually the Tea Party would be the best thing that could happen as they would be more likely to embrace an isolationist position and allow the rest of the world to go to hell in a hand basket of their own fashioning.

Whomever wins in November would be well served to listen to this very good advice from Mark Knopfler.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1axx2FJUTg

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1789904 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 0:47:44 UTC - in response to Message 1789898.  

Actually the Tea Party would be the best thing that could happen as they would be more likely to embrace an isolationist position and allow the rest of the world to go to hell in a hand basket of their own fashioning.

Whomever wins in November would be well served to listen to this very good advice from Mark Knopfler.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1axx2FJUTg

Yeah, or one of the worst things. How much business would be lost to if the US were to go the isolationist route? What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?

Why would anyone suggest the North Korean way of conducting international business is a good approach to ensuring prosperity?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1789909 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 1:05:36 UTC - in response to Message 1789904.  

How much business would be lost to if the US were to go the isolationist route? What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?

Oh dear!
Big Mac is a wellknown product even in the Sakha (Yakutia) Republic in far nort-east Russia!
Well now they have to be stuck with walruss beef and lard:)
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Message 1789944 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 4:33:20 UTC - in response to Message 1789940.  

Does McDonalds have a patent/trade-mark on beef hamburgers?

Yes. Big Mac is a trademark.
Could not Putin start a chain of Surf&Turf Hamburger Joints and say
that McDonalds used Beef-Slurry.

I don't know about beef-slurry but Russia do have hamburgers.
It's called Kotleti there.
Inspired by a 1936 trip to America, Stalin's food supply commissar Anastas Mikoyan wanted to copy Yankee burgers in Russia, but somehow the bun got lost in the shuffle:)
https://www.finedininglovers.com/stories/kotleti-russian-hamburgers/
Now since the Donald have a german heritage where hamburgers originate from it's weird that he started to sell Trump Steaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyONt_ZH_aw
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Message 1789952 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 5:11:05 UTC - in response to Message 1789948.  
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[quote]Does McDonalds have a patent/trade-mark on beef hamburgers?

Yes. Big Mac is a trademark.
Could not Putin start a chain of Surf&Turf Hamburger Joints and say
that McDonalds used Beef-Slurry.

I don't know about beef-slurry but Russia do have hamburgers.
It's called Kotleti there.
Inspired by a 1936 trip to America, Stalin's food supply commissar Anastas Mikoyan wanted to copy Yankee burgers in Russia, but somehow the bun got lost in the shuffle:)
https://www.finedininglovers.com/stories/kotleti-russian-hamburgers/
Now since the Donald have a german heritage where hamburgers originate from it's weird that he started to sell Trump Steaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyONt_ZH_aw

I see what you're getting at.
Donald Trump has been bending over backwards, spreading his cheeks, to seem Scottish. Much better than being German, right?
Thing is that Scotsman never bend, or break.
Donald Trump is a spreading of his own decline.
I believe that there is a cage designated for the Donald, and Friends./quote]

Donald Trump's mother is Mary Anne née Macleod from Scotland.
However the Donald once stated that his family comes from Sweden!
Not from Germany or Scotland.
Why? Since many of his tennants are jewish in NY he would not like to upset them as a german.
But his Scotish heritage?
He should know better.
There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.
Scots know that.
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Message 1790100 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 23:11:49 UTC - in response to Message 1789904.  

What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?




http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/

Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,



In light of the big brouhaha over the 'Panama Papers', would it really be a bad thing?
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Message 1790103 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 23:26:36 UTC
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Ok, I am not really sure about where (which thread) to put this article. It could fit here... or in one of Worm/Dull's rather bizzare gibberish threads... or in the thread on the Panama Papers... Or, quite a number of others.

I decided to put it here, since the subject of this thread is directly mentioned in the headline.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/donald_trump_is_going_to_win_this_is_why_hillary_clinton_cant_defeat_what_trump_represents/

While I may not agree with ALL of the conclusions/statements in this article, it is (pardon the phrase) dead on the money on most of it.

The neofascist reaction, the force behind Trump, has come about because of the extreme disembeddedness of the economy from social relations. The neoliberal economy has become pure abstraction; as has the market, as has the state, there is no reality to any of these things the way we have classically understood them. Americans, like people everywhere rising up against neoliberal globalization (in Britain, for example, this takes the form of Brexit, or exit from the European Union), want a return of social relations, or embeddedness, to the economy.

The Trump alliance desires to remake the world in their own image, just as the class representing neoliberal globalization has insisted on doing so. The difference couldn’t be starker. Capitalism today is placeless, locationless, nameless, faceless, while Trump is talking about hauling corporations back to where they belong, in their home countries, fix them in place by means of rewards and retribution, like one handles a recalcitrant child.

Trump is a businessman, while Mitt Romney was a businessman too, yet I predict victory for the former while the latter obviously lost miserably. What is the difference? While Trump “builds” things (literal buildings), in places like Manhattan and Atlantic City, places one can recognize and identify with, and while Trump’s entire life has been orchestrated around building luxury and ostentatiousness, again things one can tangibly grasp and hold on to (the Trump steaks!), Romney is the personification of a placeless corporation, making his quarter billion dollars from consulting, i.e., representing economic abstraction at its purest, serving as a high priest of the transnational capitalist class.

No one can visualize the boardroom Romney sat in, as head of Bain Capital, but, via The Apprentice, everyone has seen, for more than a decade, what Trump’s boardroom looks like, and what it takes to be a “winner” in the real economy. What was that façade behind the collapse of fictitious corporations like Enron in the early 2000s? Trump supposedly pulled the veil off.

In the present election, Hillary Clinton represents precisely the same disembodiedness as Romney, for example because of her association with the Clinton Foundation. Where did the business of the state, while she was secretary of state, stop, and where did the business of global philanthropy (just another name for global business), begin, and who can possibly tell the difference? The maneuverings of the Clinton Foundation, in the popular imagination, are as arcane as the colossal daily transactions on the world’s financial exchanges.

Everything about Clinton—and this becomes all the more marked when she takes on the (false) mantle of speaking for the underclass, with whom she bears no mental or physical resemblance—reeks of the easy mobility of the global rentier class. Their efficacy cannot be accounted for, not through the kind of democratic process that is unfolding before our eyes as a remnant of the American founding imagination, her whole sphere of movement is pure abstraction.

In this election, abstraction will clearly lose, and corporeality, even if—or particularly if—gross and vulgar and rising from the repressed, will undoubtedly win. A business tycoon who vigorously inserted himself in the imaginations of the dispossessed as the foremost exponent of birtherism surely cannot be entirely beholden to the polite elites, can he? Trump is capital, but he is not capital, he is of us but also not of us in the way that the working class desires elevation from their rootedness, still strongly identified with place and time, not outside it. After all, he posed the elemental question, Where were you born?


There is a lot more to it. Read it. It may help some, especially those here that are not US Citizens, to understand and make some sense of the vast changes going on in US Politics today.

Times, they are a changin...
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Message 1790119 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 23:49:05 UTC - in response to Message 1790100.  
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/
Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,

In light of the big brouhaha over the 'Panama Papers', would it really be a bad thing?

Not really. In a sense that money doesn't exist until being used.

But to me it seems to be a problem to use them without the Tax Man wanting his share.

Trump empire is linked to 32 offshore companies, including the real estate project Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower in Panama.
His name appears 3,540 times in the database, but according to media reports that doesn’t mean he is directly involved since Trump has sold his name to other investors in different countries.
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Message 1790170 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 4:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 1790100.  

What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?




http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/

Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,



In light of the big brouhaha over the 'Panama Papers', would it really be a bad thing?

Don't let the headline writers fool you. US GDP is about $18,000 Billion. So these five have 2.8% of the GDP as cash (or cash equivalents as they like to say). All the rest of the GDP was taxed. And the amount they have is from at least a decade of profits, so at best 0.3% of the money is escaping tax in a given year. Tax rate of 35% on say $50 billion is $17.5 Billion. You look up what the US budget deficit is and tell me if that makes a BIG difference or a little difference.

In any case it is a pile of cash they hold.
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Message 1790257 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 12:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1790170.  

What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?




http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/

Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,



In light of the big brouhaha over the 'Panama Papers', would it really be a bad thing?

Don't let the headline writers fool you. US GDP is about $18,000 Billion. So these five have 2.8% of the GDP as cash (or cash equivalents as they like to say). All the rest of the GDP was taxed. And the amount they have is from at least a decade of profits, so at best 0.3% of the money is escaping tax in a given year. Tax rate of 35% on say $50 billion is $17.5 Billion. You look up what the US budget deficit is and tell me if that makes a BIG difference or a little difference.

In any case it is a pile of cash they hold.


Gary,

Oh, I know...

I was making a joke response to Bobby's 'what would happen to <corporation list> if the USA went isolationist again?' question.

A return to Isolationism for the USA is a move that I do happen to support.

Plus, if one actually read the article, one would find that the US$1.7 trillion *INCLUDES* all the cash/cash equivalents held by non-financial (that is not banks, stock brokerage firms, etc.) US corporations, not just that that is held overseas (and out of the reach of the US Internal Revenue Service -- the tax man).

Only 72% is held outside the US, so the 2.8% becomes 2%.

Ok, US$1.7 trillion * 0.72 * 0.35 * (your figure) 0.1 = roughly US$43 billion in taxes per year... A drop in the bucket compared to the US$534 billion the CBO says will be the US Federal Budget deficit this year.

https://www.cbo.gov/taxonomy/term/2/featured
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Message 1790261 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 13:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 1790257.  

What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?




http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/

Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,



In light of the big brouhaha over the 'Panama Papers', would it really be a bad thing?

Don't let the headline writers fool you. US GDP is about $18,000 Billion. So these five have 2.8% of the GDP as cash (or cash equivalents as they like to say). All the rest of the GDP was taxed. And the amount they have is from at least a decade of profits, so at best 0.3% of the money is escaping tax in a given year. Tax rate of 35% on say $50 billion is $17.5 Billion. You look up what the US budget deficit is and tell me if that makes a BIG difference or a little difference.

In any case it is a pile of cash they hold.


Gary,

Oh, I know...

I was making a joke response to Bobby's 'what would happen to <corporation list> if the USA went isolationist again?' question.

A return to Isolationism for the USA is a move that I do happen to support.

Plus, if one actually read the article, one would find that the US$1.7 trillion *INCLUDES* all the cash/cash equivalents held by non-financial (that is not banks, stock brokerage firms, etc.) US corporations, not just that that is held overseas (and out of the reach of the US Internal Revenue Service -- the tax man).

Only 72% is held outside the US, so the 2.8% becomes 2%.

Ok, US$1.7 trillion * 0.72 * 0.35 * (your figure) 0.1 = roughly US$43 billion in taxes per year... A drop in the bucket compared to the US$534 billion the CBO says will be the US Federal Budget deficit this year.

You missed the *.1 because it likely takes a decade to accumulate that pile ...
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Message 1790269 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 14:49:52 UTC - in response to Message 1790261.  

What would become of amazon, apple, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc, etc.?




http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/

Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,



In light of the big brouhaha over the 'Panama Papers', would it really be a bad thing?

Don't let the headline writers fool you. US GDP is about $18,000 Billion. So these five have 2.8% of the GDP as cash (or cash equivalents as they like to say). All the rest of the GDP was taxed. And the amount they have is from at least a decade of profits, so at best 0.3% of the money is escaping tax in a given year. Tax rate of 35% on say $50 billion is $17.5 Billion. You look up what the US budget deficit is and tell me if that makes a BIG difference or a little difference.

In any case it is a pile of cash they hold.


Gary,

Oh, I know...

I was making a joke response to Bobby's 'what would happen to <corporation list> if the USA went isolationist again?' question.

A return to Isolationism for the USA is a move that I do happen to support.

Plus, if one actually read the article, one would find that the US$1.7 trillion *INCLUDES* all the cash/cash equivalents held by non-financial (that is not banks, stock brokerage firms, etc.) US corporations, not just that that is held overseas (and out of the reach of the US Internal Revenue Service -- the tax man).

Only 72% is held outside the US, so the 2.8% becomes 2%.

Ok, US$1.7 trillion * 0.72 * 0.35 * (your figure) 0.1 = roughly US$43 billion in taxes per year... A drop in the bucket compared to the US$534 billion the CBO says will be the US Federal Budget deficit this year.

You missed the *.1 because it likely takes a decade to accumulate that pile ...


No, i didn't.
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No, i didn't.
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Message 1790451 - Posted: 26 May 2016, 5:02:26 UTC
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Donald Trump signed off deal designed to deprive US of tens of millions of dollars in tax

US presidential hopeful Donald Trump signed off on a controversial business deal that was designed to deprive the American government of tens of millions of dollars in tax, the Telegraph can disclose.

The billionaire approved a $50 million investment in a company – only for the deal to be rewritten several weeks later as a ‘loan’.

Experts say that the effect of this move was to skirt vast tax liabilities, and court papers seen by the Telegraph allege that the deal amounted to fraud.

Independent tax accountants and lawyers said that the documents Mr Trump signed – copies of which were obtained by this newspaper as part of a three-month investigation - contained “red flags” indicating the deal was irregular.


So do we have two "criminals" running for POTUS?

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Also, Top Donald Trump staffer abruptly let go from campaign amid internal dispute

A top Trump staffer was abruptly let go on Wednesday under mysterious circumstances, after a dispute with the campaign’s Florida director.

Rick Wiley was the presumptive nominee’s national political director and a close ally of Paul Manafort, a veteran political operative who has been in the middle of an ongoing and well-publicized power struggle with campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.

Manafort, who was recently promoted to be the campaign’s chief strategist, was brought on by Trump in March after Ted Cruz ran up a number of victories in the delegate selection process.

Wiley, unlike many others on the campaign, had a well-established pedigree in Republican politics. The former campaign manager for Wisconsin governor Scott Walker’s presidential campaign, Wiley was a former political director for the RNC and had longstanding ties with many party leaders.
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Message 1790455 - Posted: 26 May 2016, 5:20:33 UTC - in response to Message 1790451.  

So do we have two "criminals" running for POTUS?

Only two? Or do you mean this time and major parties?
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