What was cited was the shooting outside of the shop, not the confrontation within.
If Funk HAD used his right to bear arms and taken on the hostage taker, it would be relevant.

That is my point.

And if he had used his weapon in the shop, when the police burst in and see a man with a gun.

What then?
Hypothetical yes, but as one who carried arms and took part in policing activities. I would say anyone holding a weapon is a target, at minimum.

I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

The world need Trump for 4 years. Please U.S, vote Trump.

We suggest that a Clinton presidency would
be the start of the American Principate.



edit:
America please don't be fools....

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I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

I would support the 2nd, if it was interpreted as originally planned. In allowing the ownership of weapons for members of the local militia, in the absence of regular armed forces.

Not a member of the militia, then no weapons.

I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

I would support the 2nd, if it was interpreted as originally planned. In allowing the ownership of weapons for members of the local militia, in the absence of regular armed forces.

Not a member of the militia, then no weapons.

Well, that would be YOUR interpretation, as one who NOT a US citizen.
Not the interpretation of most of the US citizenry, or many scholars who say that it supports the right of the average citizen to keep and bear arms for their own personal protection.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

I find it's strange that the US has a gun law in the constitution.
Are there any more country that have this?
Now the Donald support the idea of that every american should carry a gun for "self protection"!
Not only in the US but Paris as well!!!

Mark, WinterKnight claims to have extensive combat experience, you don't, that gives him a very difference with weapons than yours.

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I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

I find it's strange that the US has a gun law in the constitution.
Are there any more country that have this?
Now the Donald support the idea of that every american should carry a gun for "self protection"!
Not only in the US but Paris as well!!!

The 2nd amendment has it's basis, I believe, in the fight with the British for our country's right to exist as a nation and toss the shackles of Britain behind us. And we wanted to be assured that no matter what threat, foreign or domestic, we should all have the right to defend ourselves and our homeland.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I find it's strange that the US has a gun law in the constitution.

Janne...

American Culture and Laws are not strange to Americans.

The Foundation of The American Constitution. Was not the European Belief in Setting up a Good System and Placing Good People in Charge.

Americans understood that The People MUST have Power. And the Government MUST be Limited.

The USA is not Europe Light, nor Europe Primitive. Just different from others.

As Japans Culture and Laws are different from...

Actually I know why the US second amendent was founded.
It was when America was in the Revolution back in the 18th century.
The "US" had then no abality to protect it's citizens by army and police.
It's a totality different situation nowadays.

I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

I would support the 2nd, if it was interpreted as originally planned. In allowing the ownership of weapons for members of the local militia, in the absence of regular armed forces.

Not a member of the militia, then no weapons.

But then, Winterknight, just WHO is in the militia, then?

Per US Federal law, the militia includes a LOT more people than you might think.

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

32 U.S. Code § 313 - Appointments and enlistments: age limitations

(a) To be eligible for original enlistment in the National Guard, a person must be at least 17 years of age and under 45, or under 64 years of age and a former member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps. To be eligible for reenlistment, a person must be under 64 years of age.
(b) To be eligible for appointment as an officer of the National Guard, a person must—
(1) be a citizen of the United States; and
(2) be at least 18 years of age and under 64.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/32/313

So... that includes all males in the US (Citizen and on the path to citizenship) between 17 and 45, or between 17 and 64 if they have been in the regular US military, plus the females currently in the National Guard.

Now then, if one removes the sexist and ageist bigotry from these 2 laws (equal rights and all), guess what? That is EVERY person in the US that is either a US Citizen, or on the path to Citizenship is a member of the militia.

I don't like civilians having weapons in built up areas or as part of their home defense. In a conflict situation, the gun wielders are the main targets, as witnessed by the above incident.

Well, seeing as you are not a US citizen, you do not HAVE to be concerned with our 2nd amendment.
I just love it when posters outside of the US seem to have quick and ready answers for all of our problems.

I find it's strange that the US has a gun law in the constitution.
Are there any more country that have this?
Now the Donald support the idea of that every american should carry a gun for "self protection"!
Not only in the US but Paris as well!!!

The 2nd amendment has it's basis, I believe, in the fight with the British for our country's right to exist as a nation and toss the shackles of Britain behind us. And we wanted to be assured that no matter what threat, foreign or domestic, we should all have the right to defend ourselves and our homeland.

Thats true Mark.
But must ALL americans carry weapons to protect themself?

Arf arf:)

Now then, if one removes the sexist and ageist bigotry from these 2 laws (equal rights and all), guess what? That is EVERY person in the US that is either a US Citizen, or on the path to Citizenship is a member of the militia.

Here is the Europian militia:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLEhGWIdWag

Thats true Mark.
But must ALL americans carry weapons to protect themself?

Arf arf:)

Well, as most outside of our country seem to know, we do live in the Wild Wild West.
LOL.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Thats true Mark.
But must ALL americans carry weapons to protect themself?

Arf arf:)

Well, as most outside of our country seem to know, we do live in the Wild Wild West.
LOL.

Meow.

I think you need a new sheriff:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
Arf.

Well, as most outside of our country seem to know, we do live in the Wild Wild West.

Only by choosing. that's insane.

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Thats true Mark.
But must ALL americans carry weapons to protect themself?

Arf arf:)

Well, as most outside of our country seem to know, we do live in the Wild Wild West.
LOL.

Meow.

I think you need a new sheriff:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
Arf.

LOL...indeed.
And he is coming, but he would be named Trump.
And those established in their corrupt domains consider him quite the same as those depicted in that clip did their new sheriff. They just will not come out and say it.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

And, did you ever watch Tarantino's 'Django Unchained'?
Some like to call it a racist movie, glorifying that certain framework of time in which some in our country liked to call men 'slaves'.

I think it anything but racist. I think of it as an expose' of what was and should never be again.

And in the end anyway, Django wins.........

Think about THAT.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Thats true Mark.
But must ALL americans carry weapons to protect themself?

Arf arf:)

Well, as most outside of our country seem to know, we do live in the Wild Wild West.
LOL.

Meow.

I think you need a new sheriff:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
Arf.

LOL...indeed.
And he is coming, but he would be named Trump.
And those established in their corrupt domains consider him quite the same as those depicted in that clip did their new sheriff. They just will not come out and say it.

But what about the controversial Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/22/sheriff-joe-arpaio-interview-arizona-primary-donald-trump

Thats true Mark.
But must ALL americans carry weapons to protect themself?

Arf arf:)

Well, as most outside of our country seem to know, we do live in the Wild Wild West.
LOL.

Meow.

I think you need a new sheriff:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
Arf.

LOL...indeed.
And he is coming, but he would be named Trump.
And those established in their corrupt domains consider him quite the same as those depicted in that clip did their new sheriff. They just will not come out and say it.

But what about the controversial Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/22/sheriff-joe-arpaio-interview-arizona-primary-donald-trump

What about him....a true American patriot, who has a strong sense, and right I might add, about law and order. Very outspoken. Seldom wrong in his convictions.

And possibly, might I say, a good running mate for Trump.

I salute him.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Yes, I can understand that, but although I didn't say it, I meant active members of a militia. Those who regularly attend training and fitness sessions, and regularly have their weapons skills tested.