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Message 1784782 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 20:08:54 UTC

Commentary about how Trump won the nomination
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Message 1784790 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 20:31:28 UTC

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Message 1784817 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 22:38:26 UTC
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No, you have told me three times that I am for wide open borders.


So do you advocate totally open borders?

How would YOU change immigration laws?

Again, do you advocate open borders?

In the version of English I was taught, a question mark indicates a question. I do agree this subject is dead here and you should start an Illegal Immigration Thread as no one else is interested on this one.

It would appear the arbitrary, racists you have a problem with is the United States Legislature who passes all immigration laws(unless it's by Obama Executive fiat).

That's the last I have to say on this subject. On another, it has been reported in the last 2 hours that in a telephone interview from custody, the Romanian hacker “Guccifer” who hacked Sidney Blumenthal's email stated he also compromised Hillary's 'secure' email server at least twice. And he's still singing like a bird. I wonder if 'ole Hil' still thinks it's all a joke.

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Message 1784822 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 23:21:41 UTC - in response to Message 1784726.  

Amnesty, for those presently here, is Pragmatism. And my position.

No real proposals (From Hillary and The Liberals) to reduce Illegal Immigration, to a manageable level. Might ensure a Trump Victory.

Unlike Hillary and Liberals. The Left is very Hateful and Disgusting.

The intelligent, valid and necessary repudiation of the Left's Ideology, and Hate Groups. Is, unfortunately, a probable election of a Trump. As has happened many, many times.

Or to put it bluntly. For the sake of our Country.

Mr. and Ms Left: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!

Your dislike of "The Left" is clear for all to see. Who are the people that make up this group?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1784825 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 23:33:28 UTC

The Left is very Hateful and Disgusting.


Well I know many people who consider themselves left wing.

There are several on these boards, and I have found none of them to be either hateful or disgusting.

Here in the UK and many other countries, the "left" is considered a valid political stance.
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Message 1784827 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 23:44:06 UTC - in response to Message 1784825.  

The Left is very Hateful and Disgusting.


Well I know many people who consider themselves left wing.

There are several on these boards, and I have found none of them to be either hateful or disgusting.

Here in the UK and many other countries, the "left" is considered a valid political stance.


A great many people consider the 'right' to be hateful and disgusting, especially around here. The same applies to the 'left', whether or not the 'left'ists want to admit it. Both the 'right' and the 'left' are all about power and control over the People by Elites.
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Message 1784828 - Posted: 4 May 2016, 23:54:19 UTC

OK so it's semi-official it's gonna be Donald vs. Hillary...

Unfortunately I still don't think Hillary can rope-a-dope Trump 'till November.

If Sanders can bring out Hillary's natural-born-entitlement side...

I fear Trump is gonna force Hillary into a mini-meltdown, then the press and Trump-allergic voters are going to pretend it never happened.

Dunno if it'll be enough to make Don president but for now I see no reason it couldn't.

Anyway, that's what my crystal ball is (still) saying.
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Message 1784870 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 4:00:45 UTC - in response to Message 1784827.  

The Left is very Hateful and Disgusting.


Well I know many people who consider themselves left wing.

There are several on these boards, and I have found none of them to be either hateful or disgusting.

Here in the UK and many other countries, the "left" is considered a valid political stance.


A great many people consider the 'right' to be hateful and disgusting, especially around here. The same applies to the 'left', whether or not the 'left'ists want to admit it. Both the 'right' and the 'left' are all about power and control over the People by Elites.

As you well know MK, the proper name for these people is "Totalitarians" They are neither left or right. People who call them left or right are intentionally insulting the left and/or right and appear to be trying to start a flame war.
I like this list of similar forms or government from Wiki:
    Big government
    Fascism
    Imperialism
    Legalism (Chinese philosophy)
    Nationalism
    State capitalism
    State socialism
    Statism in Showa Japan
    Statolatry
    Welfare statism


As you know left and right are code words for wallet or bedroom control. One wants total control over one of those aspects and total freedom for the other. That puts them exactly on the 50% mark on the line between totalitarians and anarchists. So the left and right are actually centrists, when measured on the correct scale.


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Message 1784873 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 4:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 1784817.  

On another, it has been reported in the last 2 hours that in a telephone interview from custody, the Romanian hacker “Guccifer” who hacked Sidney Blumenthal's email stated he also compromised Hillary's 'secure' email server at least twice. And he's still singing like a bird. I wonder if 'ole Hil' still thinks it's all a joke.
Very old news. I saw it at least two weeks ago when the decision to extradite him was about to be made. Posted about it then. Because if he did get in then her "mishandling" becomes "transmission of" and her failure to know it happened is yet another possible charge. She is still laughing, her good buddy will just issue a full pardon or she will as her first action. But the legal issue is while she was Secretary, she had the absolute power and authority to declassify by herself. May be impossible to charge her because of that, and she is a lawyer so she can laugh.
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Message 1784874 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 4:16:20 UTC

A good example of the right side .....Cayman Island 0 taxes on Corps.

High taxes on food , housing .

There own people's poor are in a bad way as a story I saw last night . Be very careful what you wish for .

Australian Liberal Party announce a lowering of Company Taxes to 25% .

So are the Republicans and Libral here that much different or the Torryes in England .

Small Government is good , 0% Company Tax is good , Private Health care is good , maybe you should find out how good it is in the Cayman Islands ....

Trump for Pezz Yehhhhhhhhhh ug ug ug !
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Message 1784875 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 4:17:34 UTC

and she is a lawyer so she can laugh.
Still licensed? (That's a Question in case I wasn't clear).

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Message 1784876 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 4:23:07 UTC - in response to Message 1784875.  

and she is a lawyer so she can laugh.
Still licensed? (That's a Question in case I wasn't clear).

Don't know if she has met any CLE requirement, but otherwise once you pass the bar you are in as long as you send in your yearly fee.
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Message 1784883 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 4:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 1784827.  
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The Left is very Hateful and Disgusting.


Well I know many people who consider themselves left wing.

There are several on these boards, and I have found none of them to be either hateful or disgusting.

Here in the UK and many other countries, the "left" is considered a valid political stance.


A great many people consider the 'right' to be hateful and disgusting, especially around here. The same applies to the 'left', whether or not the 'left'ists want to admit it. Both the 'right' and the 'left' are all about power and control over the People by Elites.

They do? Got any links demonstrating that to be the case? While Clyde occasionally calls "The Right" hateful and disgusting, it seems to me, he more frequently applies that kind of description to "The Left"; I'm not sure many other posters refer to entire groups in this way, at least not on a regular basis.

Also, your critique of what 'left' and 'right' are about, is not, to me at least, very compelling, though that's probably a discussion for a different thread if you're so inclined.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1784885 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 5:09:04 UTC - in response to Message 1784874.  

A good example of the right side .....Cayman Island 0 taxes on Corps.

High taxes on food , housing .

There own people's poor are in a bad way as a story I saw last night . Be very careful what you wish for .

Australian Liberal Party announce a lowering of Company Taxes to 25% .

So are the Republicans and Libral here that much different or the Torryes in England .

Small Government is good , 0% Company Tax is good , Private Health care is good , maybe you should find out how good it is in the Cayman Islands ....

Trump for Pezz Yehhhhhhhhhh ug ug ug !


Glenn,

'High taxes' is a bad thing... No matter what it is on.

It does not really matter if Business are taxed, or the goods they produce are taxed. Same bloody thing, higher prices for people to buy the goods.

Remember, Businesses do NOT pay 'business taxes'... Their customers do, in the form of higher prices.

So, you see... It just does not matter.

If a food business is directly taxed, food prices go up for the consumer.
If food is taxed at point of sale, food prices go up for the consumer.

Either way, the consumer gets screwed.
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Message 1784905 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 7:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 1784872.  

The Left is very Hateful and Disgusting.


Well I know many people who consider themselves left wing.

There are several on these boards, and I have found none of them to be either hateful or disgusting.

Here in the UK and many other countries, the "left" is considered a valid political stance.

WinterKnight...

Europe's problem. Europe hasn't learned from their history.

The USA doesn't have the European Culture of Victory's of the Marxists (Left) and NAZI's (Right).

Yes, we had Slavery. Which could not have lasted. If Slavery was not supported by European Capitalists. Who encouraged, and made American Slavery very profitable for Them, and the Slave Owners.

Unlike Europe. The USA does not (Unless The Left Succeeds) ban any Party. Including NAZI.

Understanding why NAZI is banned. Does not make it correct.

Unlike Europe. The American People appear to be disgusted with The Left's attempt to impose Orwellian Speech Police (AKA PC), Disgusting 'Free Speech' Zones on College Campuses, Bigotry against some genders and races, etc.

That Europe considers the above "a valid political stance". Is, I repeat, Europe's problem.

Question: Should Americans emulate European Culture, and ban The Left.

Answer: Of course not.


Well as you seem to quite often get confused has to who posted what, I will put your very broad generalisations down to the same confusion.

In case you are still confused I posted what you quoted not WinterKnight and as to knowing left wing supporters I was not referring to the UK.
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Message 1784948 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 14:07:35 UTC

Oh Clyde, you just keep reinforcing our opinion of you.

You just can't stay on track, 1 moment you're defending stupid things as "the American way of life" or it's "our American culture" and then in the next minute you back flip on same/similar stupid things with your useless left/right rants. Do you have a problem making your mind up on which is what?

In the end none of them are satisfactory answers in any way, shape or form and I doubt that you could ever give a satisfactory answer (as we've yet to see 1) even if your life depended on it.

Also it seems that lately you can't even remember who you're replying to. Is your memory slipping?

If you can't start to do any better then you might as well give up trying to change that general opinion of you, but as usual I guess you'll just make this out as another name calling attack on you as you regularly do.

As for Trump, if he wins that'll just make the U.S. a tie for number 1 spot of countries that are likely to destabilise the whole world (and havn't you guys done enough of that in the Middle East already?) or start WWIII.

Cheers.
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Message 1784987 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 16:26:03 UTC - in response to Message 1784885.  

Remember, Businesses do NOT pay 'business taxes'... Their customers do, in the form of higher prices.

So, you see... It just does not matter.

If a food business is directly taxed, food prices go up for the consumer.
If food is taxed at point of sale, food prices go up for the consumer.

Either way, the consumer gets screwed.

Yep the consumer gets screwed, the schools and roads the taxes pay for among other things have no value.
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Message 1784988 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 16:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 1784905.  

Well as you seem to quite often get confused has to who posted what, I will put your very broad generalisations down to the same confusion.
That is extremely charitable of you Bernie. All hail our charitable moderators!
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Message 1784991 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 16:34:26 UTC - in response to Message 1784987.  

Yep the consumer gets screwed, the schools and roads the taxes pay for among other things have no value.

Roads: big pic https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/vasquez-cyn-112015.jpg
Schools: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/12/03/248329823/u-s-high-school-students-slide-in-math-reading-science

Might have to agree with that assessment.
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Message 1785002 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 17:57:42 UTC - in response to Message 1784987.  

Remember, Businesses do NOT pay 'business taxes'... Their customers do, in the form of higher prices.

So, you see... It just does not matter.

If a food business is directly taxed, food prices go up for the consumer.
If food is taxed at point of sale, food prices go up for the consumer.

Either way, the consumer gets screwed.

Yep the consumer gets screwed, the schools and roads the taxes pay for among other things have no value.


betreger,

Of course, some level of taxation is a necessity. But, neither of the 2 examples you mention are paid for out of either of the two taxes I mentioned... 'Business taxes' or 'general sales taxes'.

Schools are primarily paid for out of 'property taxes', and roads are primarily paid for out of 'fuel taxes'.

OK, fuel taxes... In Texas we pay a total (State + Federal) fuel tax on gasoline of 38.4 cents/gallon, and 44.4 cents/gallon on diesel.

Looking at my latest property tax paperwork, the school district has a tax rate of 1.476730% of the appraised value of my property... per year.

As Gary mentioned in his reply to you, we don't seem to be getting our money's worth on the two items you mentioned.


As to roads, the Government is working at cross-purposes here. On the one hand, they are encouraging vehicles with higher and higher fuel economy, thereby reducing the per-vehicle taxes on fuel. On the other hand, their policies are inflating the need for more and more transportation.

As to schools, there is a nice correlation between the increase in the amount spent per pupil and the decrease in... well... academic ability and educational quality.


What should we do? You seem to favor increasing tax rates and throwing ever increasing amounts of money at problems. I think, on roads, that we should be encouraging a lesser need for transportation through lifestyle and cultural changes. On education, again, lifestyle and cultural changes might be of more benefit than just pouring ever-increasing amounts of money into the educational money-pit.

As far as business taxes go, the USA is tied for third-highest in the entire world (35% Federal). Perhaps we could stand to lower that rate somewhat. After all, if we become more competitive we might bring back some of the jobs lost to globalism, and might be able to break out of the wage-stagnation funk that the nation (except for the jobs at the very top of the ladder) has been in for decades.

Higher taxes only screw the consumer through higher prices on goods and services, forcing many towards the bottom end of the ladder to make a choice... What should we do this month... eat? or pay the bills? Can't do both.
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