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Message 1773911 - Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 13:55:53 UTC - in response to Message 1773903.  

Bloody hope your right Bobby or goed help us all if that nutjob actually wins .

2/3 of republicans won't vote for him.
99% of democrats won't vote for him.
How does he win?
The people who are disgusted with him stay home.

You might want to look at the numbers posted at FiveThirtyEight, Trump Will Have A Hard Time Turning Blue States Red In November
Bottom line of Trumps performance so far in the Primary/Caucusus votes

		REPUBLICAN 	DEMOCRATIC+REPUBLICAN
United States 	37.1% 		21.3%

Thank you for confirmation. Drumpf is no idiot. He intentionally is in the bottom of the latrine throwing it around. He wants to get all the others down in the pit with him. It makes them all so objectionable that voter turnout is very very low. Drumpf's supporters will vote and few others. After all opinion polls come on your phone, a real poll you have to physically go to and spend time at.
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Message 1773928 - Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 15:17:13 UTC

Chalk messages supporting Drumpf:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/25/is-it-now-a-hate-crime-to-support-donald-trump-on-a-college-campus/?google_editors_picks=true wrote:
“It was like cross burning,” the libertarian told Reason’s Robby Soave.

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Message 1773963 - Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 17:13:43 UTC - in response to Message 1773910.  

Numbers keep on changing.

The two 'leaders' (Trump and Hillary) have very high negatives.

Apparently their supporters campaign slogan is this:

VOTE FOR THE LESSER FRAUD!!!!!

Yes... Both sides appear to be as stupid as the other.

You're missing out some of the problems that face Trump, the majority of women will vote for Hillary, not because she is one, but because of the things Trump say's about women.
Donald Trump can’t stop saying nasty things about women. It could cost him.
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Message 1773969 - Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 17:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 1773910.  

Numbers keep on changing.

The two 'leaders' (Drumpf and Hillary) have very high negatives.

Apparently their supporters campaign slogan is this:

VOTE FOR THE LESSER FRAUD!!!!!

Yes... Both sides appear to be as stupid as the other.

From the source linked earlier, Clinton's negatives are currently -9, that's a decrease from the -16 she was at in Sep 2015, on the other hand, Drumpf was at -30% in Sep 2015, and he's now at -39. In other words, the trajectory is different, Clinton is trending back to positive, Drumpf in the other direction.

Note, over the past 5+ years, Clinton has only been in negative territory for, at most, the past year (April 2015 was +4, and Dec 2012 was +46), Drumpf has never been in positive territory.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1774171 - Posted: 26 Mar 2016, 16:18:03 UTC - in response to Message 1774069.  

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Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...

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Where does she say that?
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Message 1774202 - Posted: 26 Mar 2016, 17:33:05 UTC - in response to Message 1774171.  

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Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...

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Where does she say that?

In The Clyde's mind?
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Message 1774252 - Posted: 26 Mar 2016, 20:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 1774202.  

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Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...

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Where does she say that?

In The Clyde's mind?

Considering what her husband put her though, I'd say she'd displayed an incredible tolerance for Men.
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Message 1774320 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 0:27:19 UTC - in response to Message 1774279.  


Es99...

She, and her supporters. Were and still are, an Enabler of this Sexual Predator.

Ahhh..so Hilary should have thrown away her marriage and life because you say so. I see...and you think you have the right to tell her how to respond to her husband's infidelity because? What?


Bill is an individual.

and? your point?

Hillary and you, believe men are (fill in the negatives)???

So not only are you making things up that Hilary has said about men, you are doing it to me now. How rude.

That is an example of Gender Bigotry.

I assume you mean what you are doing? Telling women what they should and should not do and making things up that we say sounds exactly like gender bigotry to me.

Need another example of Hillary and Left Wing Bigotry?

Another? You haven't given me one yet.
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Message 1774341 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 1:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 1774332.  

Your edit did not include a disclaimer, sir - referencing a diarrhetic parrot and your keyboard.
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Message 1774343 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 2:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 1774332.  


I do understand your belief.

It is glaringly obvious to me that you have no idea what my belief's are. So I have no idea what you think you understand, but its nothing to do with me.

But you are wrong.

LOL!

It was very interesting, and I knew it would happen.

Noted The Left's refusal to accept their sexism and bigotry. It was confirmed.

Think of a man saying about women what Es99 said about men.

Es99... It is very telling you did not repeat what you said about men.

Just change Women for Men.

hmmmm...are you confusing me with someone else? If you often get people mixed up, that would explain a lot of things you say.

If it would be considered bigoted and sexist, against Women. It is also bigoted and sexist, against Men.

Except I haven't written anything that could be either. You are very strange.

BTW: What Hillary does as a wife. Is understandable and irrelevant.

Indeed, and it could have been quite the justification for her to dislike men, except she clearly doesn't. Instead she stood by her man, despite himself.

Hardly the actions of someone who, according to you, has "said negative things about men". Which she hasn't any more than I have.

What Hillary accepted, and her attacks against the women accusers, as she is now running for President, is relevant. Correct?

So you are now saying that she has said negative things about women? That is not the stance you were defending a few posts ago. Are you willing to back this up this time?

I am still waiting for you to provide examples of the negative things she has said about men.
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Message 1774371 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 5:41:20 UTC - in response to Message 1774343.  

My dear Essme, please excuse him, he is a deplorable example of a loathsome human male WASP. ;) He is using the rusty lintball - faux opinion method of agitation. Place false outrageous statements in the mouth of others and then call them out on your own lies. It is most cowardly and utterly devoid of gallantry and honor, even if it is occasionally effective. It smacks of a wretched fearsome creature that lives under bridges and demands tolls to pass.
OB - Drumpf is also using parts of this tactic however he does so against an amorphous "them", but he goes so way over the top in his pronouncements.
YMMV :)
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Message 1774379 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 6:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 1774371.  

My dear Essme, please excuse him, he is a deplorable example of a loathsome human male WASP. ;) He is using the rusty lintball - faux opinion method of agitation. Place false outrageous statements in the mouth of others and then call them out on your own lies. It is most cowardly and utterly devoid of gallantry and honor, even if it is occasionally effective. It smacks of a wretched fearsome creature that lives under bridges and demands tolls to pass.
OB - Drumpf is also using parts of this tactic however he does so against an amorphous "them", but he goes so way over the top in his pronouncements.
YMMV :)

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Message 1774459 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 16:20:09 UTC - in response to Message 1774432.  
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Why do men need tolerance? They don't.

I've raised four of them. If you want me to list my men specific complaints I will be happy to. However, I really don't think any of you want to hear me rant about having to clean pee off the bathroom floor. Its a topic I could go on about for quite a while. Probably deserving of its own thread tbh.

Or putting your belief's another way "I'd say he displayed an incredible tolerance for Women."

I wasn't aware that Hilary had an affair and humiliated him so publicly. Tell me more about how she did that to him. (oh..and btw, my capilisation of the word "Men" was a mockery of yours)

That is sexist regarding Women.

I know plenty of men who have been treated shoddily by women. Some of them use it as an excuse to condemn all women. Some don't. You clearly judge those that do as sexist even though they feel quite justified about it. Hilary hasn't used that excuse as far as I can see. So by your own definition, she is not sexist.

You would be accusing the poster (correctly) of sexism.

Indeed. I am glad you are finally catching up.

BTW: Anyone who believes (excepting for her husband) that any male individual, must be considered guilty, until proven innocent, regarding any allegation. Is a Bigot, Sexist, and a Traitor to the Foundations of Western Civilization.

Not sure why you feel the need to say this. Unless you are trying to help me make my point that Hilary is not sexist towards men?

The Clinton operatives, along with Hillary Clinton attacks, and vile sexism against women "Drag a hundred dollar bill thru a trailer park"

Where is Hillary's outrage against her Operative Statements. Which include the vile sexist BIMBO! None!!!!

You are clearly reading the wrong media, dear. I've seen many articles about them and I agree that she has been sexist towards women. However, until challenged about your statement about her being sexist towards men (which she hasn't shown herself to be) you didn't seem to give a flying monkey's about her sexism towards women. It only served your purpose when challenged to give examples of her being sexist to men. You still haven't done that. You have shown you can give examples of her being sexist to women though, so I suspect if they were out there, you'd be capable of finding them.

If any of her Opponents, or their Operatives did this to the Abused Women: What would you say?

You really haven't see any of the articles about how dreadfully Monica Lewinsky was treated? It seems to be you are being very selective. No wonder your view of the left is so skewed.

Es99...

I treat all sexist bigots alike. Not caring about their Policy's.

Yet you only seem to care if you think they are being sexist towards men, so much so that you make that up and ignore the sexism against women until it suits your purpose. How prosaic of you.

Neither The Left, nor their cousins in Hate, The Right, do.

You need to drop this false equivalency. It is dangerous and it is how people like Trump survive unchallenged.

RE: How this applies to Trump:

The Left Wing Bigots, Racists, Sexists are fueling his campaign.

Now that is quite the bit of convoluted nonsense.
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Message 1774473 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 17:13:00 UTC
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Trump defines the hate and anger that most of the US population have garnered for many years now. Every single president since JFK has been hated.
JFK was the last president that America loved......
We resent their arrogance, their ignorance of what the people really want.

Some semblance of "we, the people".
Nobody has represented us properly for years now.

Trump finally takes our voices seriously.
And he is going to win because of that fact.

He is perhaps not anything new, but he is the only candidate with the cajones to speak about it on camera and candidly. And I respect him openly and honestly for finally doing that.
"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

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Message 1774478 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 17:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 1774470.  

I do understand your unwillingness to answer. Never expected you would.

Oh the irony. You were asked to provide details in support of your accusation that "Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...". To date there's been none, and now you accuse Es of being unwilling to answer.

Despite all your misdirection, your motives are transparent, as Gary notes, you display the characteristics of a "wretched fearsome creature that lives under bridges and demands tolls to pass".
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1774483 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 17:49:59 UTC - in response to Message 1774473.  
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Trump defines the hate and anger that most of the US population have garnered for many years now. Every single president since JFK has been hated.
JFK was the last president that America loved......
We resent their arrogance, their ignorance of what the people really want.

Was he?
Americans think John F. Kennedy was one of our greatest presidents.
Some semblance of "we, the people".
Nobody has represented us properly for years now.

Trump finally takes our voices seriously.

Does he, or is he just using you? His history in business would indicate he doesn't, he has used illegal immigrants, still prefers Latino's to work in his clubs, hotels and golf courses.
And he is going to win because of that fact.

He has about a third of Republicans supporting him. That equates to about 10% of the electorate. Some Republicans will vote for him because they always vote for the party. But some have said they will not under any circumstances.
On the Democrat side, most Democrats have said they will support their nominee whoever it is.
The swing voters, who by the way are usually the ones who decide the final outcome, do not seem to be Trump supporters as ~70% of them have said they will not vote for Trump.

As I see it from over here, as it stands at the moment. In all elections in recent years, 30% of those that can vote don't.
So Trump would get his 10% plus at best another 15% from the GOP, and maybe 3% of the swing voters, Total for Trump, looking on the bright side, maybe 30%.
The Democrat nominee will get the 30% of the population that are Democrats plus the 7% of swing voters and maybe a few percent from the GOP because they dislike Trump so much they will cross the house.

Therefore, in my analysis, the final totals are going to be Democrats 40%+, GOP maybe 30% and 30% don't vote.
A landslide for the Democrats.

He is perhaps not anything new, but he is the only candidate with the cajones to speak about it on camera and candidly. And I respect him openly and honestly for finally doing that.

You mean insulting women and immigrants. Oh and don't forget the Press.
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Message 1774492 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 18:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 1774488.  

This may be a 'One Off' Election. Where the previous numbers are irrelevant.

Oh, I know that. It could be that if Trump gets the nomination, that only those that support him now are the only ones that vote for him in November. But I didn't want to give those figures.
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Message 1774495 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 18:16:21 UTC - in response to Message 1774478.  

I do understand your unwillingness to answer. Never expected you would.

Oh the irony. You were asked to provide details in support of your accusation that "Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...". To date there's been none, and now you accuse Es of being unwilling to answer.

Despite all your misdirection, your motives are transparent, as Gary notes, you display the characteristics of a "wretched fearsome creature that lives under bridges and demands tolls to pass".

Clyde is the King of the non-answer and sweeping (often insulting) unfounded generalisation.

However, I do not think that calling him a troll is helpful. Either he believes what he says, and then the best way is to engage him civilly at face value and not take it too seriously. Or, if he were a troll, then the best way is to engage him civilly and take him at face value, because a true troll wants nothing more than to cause uproar.
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Message 1774502 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 18:24:29 UTC

Women deserve better than two clowns reducing the presidential race to a hottest wife contest
"Setting aside the notion that a woman’s looks determine her value, as well as the dehumanising reduction of Heidi Cruz and Melania Trump (two successful, professional women with fully formed, complex lives) to inanimate chips in a dick-swinging contest, the most odious thing about this whole exchange is that it positions Ted Cruz as the good guy when it comes to gender.

Cruz is a man who believes that “every human life is a precious gift from God, which should be protected from the moment of conception until the moment of natural death” – in other words, all pregnant people should be treated as incubators and forced to give birth. He supports a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks, without exception. Are you a woman with a wanted pregnancy who found out at 21 weeks that your foetus is not viable? Sorry! Carry it inside of you for four more months because Ted Cruz says so! Are you a developmentally disabled 11-year-old girl who was raped by your father and no one discovered it until you were six months along? Hope you survive pregnancy so you can claim your gift from God!"

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Message 1774514 - Posted: 27 Mar 2016, 18:56:09 UTC - in response to Message 1774496.  

You surprise me. Most of my American friends are ex-military and my family that live over there are either medical people or are employed in colleges. And I cannot think of any of them that has said they will vote for Trump, in fact most are anti-Trump.

I do have one US friend that is thinking of voting for Trump, he lives near Detroit. But he is not ex-military and although he hasn't worked in the car industry most of his family and friends have. Nearly all of them have suffered due to that city's decline.
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