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Message 1770603 - Posted: 9 Mar 2016, 21:16:28 UTC

The Ides of March.
A George Clooney movie about presidential candidates and dirty politics.
Just started on a TV channel here right now.
Nice timing:)
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Message 1770607 - Posted: 9 Mar 2016, 21:25:56 UTC - in response to Message 1770517.  

Donald Trump has already destroyed America. His candidacy has taught generations of Americans that expressing vitriolic hate is acceptable.


You can't take the effect and make it the cause.

Never read your "racist, yes you are" thread but I bet my Seti credits you're contradicting yourself here. And giving Trump waaay too much credit :)

Tone down the drama :)

For the decades I've been alive "vitriolic hate" has always been acceptable in the western world (I assume it's doing ok in the rest of the world too).

It used to be cool to bash on Irish, Blacks, gays (to name but a few). Today it's cool to bash on smokers, women that want to have an abortion, poor people, smart people (FFS), Muslims... and gays still haven't quite made it out of the woods yet. Meanwhile, fat people are lining up to bat.

People just looove being d*cks to other people and bossing them around. The "hate" remains constant. It's its focus that changes. And like water, it follows the path of least resistance (those who can't stand up for themselves much, are outnumbered or both) and the river changes course (but never stops). I'm sure it served some evolutionary purpose but all these made up holy wars are getting pretty damn frustrating in this day in age.

For decades the Grand ol' Party and its satellites appear to have adopted the group-hate stance like some sort of deranged manifesto, throwing actual politics out the window.

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Message 1770639 - Posted: 9 Mar 2016, 23:19:48 UTC - in response to Message 1770607.  

While there's truth in everything you just wrote, it doesn't exactly negate anything Gary wrote, nor do I think what Gary wrote was trying to say that Trump is single-handedly responsible for everything bad in America.

So it would only sound over dramatic and giving Trump way to much credit if you mistook what was being said.
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Message 1770644 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 0:12:16 UTC - in response to Message 1770553.  

If we all just love each other enough, we can achieve the ruling class's ultimate dream of taking care of us.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/85618a072237458884023e91a66148f7/socialist-dream-under-threat-venezuelas-chavez-city

You are right, Jesus is a socialist. So just why are you having a love fest with the Jesus loving tea party dixieCRATS? It must be because you believe in their message of socialism! Otherwise you would send those Jesus loving tea party dixieCRATS back to the democrats.

Socialism, it is what Jesus ordered! It shall be done on earth as it is in Heaven!

Dixiecrats haven't been Democrats since at least the time of LBJ. The Democratic Party is no longer a home to the likes of Strom Thurmond, which is why he became a Republican in '64, and, as far as I can tell, it has no intention of being a home for them again.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1770649 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 1:42:14 UTC - in response to Message 1770639.  

While there's truth in everything you just wrote, it doesn't exactly negate anything Gary wrote, nor do I think what Gary wrote was trying to say that Trump is single-handedly responsible for everything bad in America.

So it would only sound over dramatic and giving Trump way to much credit if you mistook what was being said.


You are confusing what I quoted with what I actually replied to. If you re-read my actual post (without the quote) it should be obvious I never replied to the

Trump has already destroyed America


part which we all know is an exaggeration, something we are all allowed to do (especially when frustrated). I'm sure Gary knows full-well that Trump has not "destroyed America" and I promptly ignored that bit in my reply.

What I actually replied to (quite specifically I may add) is:

[Donald Trump has already]... taught generations of Americans that expressing vitriolic hate is acceptable.


and to remind him something I'm sure he already knows quite well (or at the very least, more than capable of understanding), which is that, "That seed was sown a long, long time ago... and evolves every day".

On the surface my original reply may seem like nitpicking but it's not.

Donald Trump "is the result of" and NOT "the reason behind". There is a world of difference.
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Message 1770656 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 2:16:27 UTC - in response to Message 1770649.  

What I actually replied to (quite specifically I may add) is:

[Donald Trump has already]... taught generations of Americans that expressing vitriolic hate is acceptable.


and to remind him something I'm sure he already knows quite well (or at the very least, more than capable of understanding), which is that, "That seed was sown a long, long time ago... and evolves every day".

On the surface my original reply may seem like nitpicking but it's not.

Donald Trump "is the result of" and NOT "the reason behind". There is a world of difference.


I'm aware of what you were responding to. What I am saying is that we teach each other new things every day. As I said previously, while what you say has a truth behind it, that doesn't mean Trump isn't teaching generations that it is OK. We CAN learn to go against our evolution. It is one of the few things that separate us from every other species. With Trump spreading his vitriolic hate, he is reaffirming that it is OK to indulge. No, he is not the reason behind our hate, and yes, he is the result of our natural urges amplified, and as long as we follow him, we are saying it is OK.

What you said doesn't negate what Gary wrote, and Gary is right.
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Message 1770658 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 2:21:09 UTC - in response to Message 1770649.  
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But why is Donald Trump "the result of", considering his background he knows not to act and speak like he does. Therefore I can only conclude he does it deliberately and is a bully. Probably has been all of his life as he was sent by his father to that Military School to discipline him, and it appears not to have worked.

And according to Forbes and other like places he is not a business success. They say if he taken half of his inheritance, (their estimate, not his claim) and invested it in Property management firms, he would be twice as rich today, sitting back and chasing women etc.
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Message 1770661 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 2:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 1770658.  

I think in the end the Donald
will not be successful in his
bid for the Principate.
Still he is a going concern for
a reason.


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Message 1770667 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 3:09:20 UTC

Promises, promises, promises. How long since Trump said he was going to name his National Security Team.

http://the-whistlestop.tumblr.com/post/140690398851/how-long-has-it-been-since-donald-trump-promised-a
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Message 1770678 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 5:00:08 UTC - in response to Message 1770656.  
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What I actually replied to (quite specifically I may add) is:

[Donald Trump has already]... taught generations of Americans that expressing vitriolic hate is acceptable.


and to remind him something I'm sure he already knows quite well (or at the very least, more than capable of understanding), which is that, "That seed was sown a long, long time ago... and evolves every day".

On the surface my original reply may seem like nitpicking but it's not.

Donald Trump "is the result of" and NOT "the reason behind". There is a world of difference.


I'm aware of what you were responding to. What I am saying is that we teach each other new things every day. As I said previously, while what you say has a truth behind it, that doesn't mean Trump isn't teaching generations that it is OK. We CAN learn to go against our evolution. It is one of the few things that separate us from every other species. With Trump spreading his vitriolic hate, he is reaffirming that it is OK to indulge. No, he is not the reason behind our hate, and yes, he is the result of our natural urges amplified, and as long as we follow him, we are saying it is OK.

What you said doesn't negate what Gary wrote, and Gary is right.

Trump is looked up to, admired and emulated, by some. Perhaps a much larger share than the neighborhood loudmouth. As he screams his hate, by his example, he tells those who admire and emulate him that expressing vitriolic racial hate is a correct behavior to express in polite society. Presidential candidates don't violate the rules of polite society, so his example redefines the rules.

I never said he was the only person on the planet expressing hate, just one with a huge audience, one that is undoing years of teaching of others that such vitriolic hate is not correct to express. The neighborhood loudmouth does not have cachet. Think of Trump as a Jihadi John for his brand of racial hate.

As to his destruction of America, as part of America is its version of the rules for polite society, to the extent his hate has changed that rule, he has destroyed the America that was. Perhaps you could say changed, but America is too raw still with racism to survive allowing the expression of vitriolic racial hate in polite conversation, especially by presidential candidates. After all what does the word "presidential" imply?
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Message 1770683 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 5:10:58 UTC

Great sources. Wonderful sources.The best sources. HUUUGE sources.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 1770690 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 5:55:16 UTC

Revolutions are always verbose.
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Message 1770754 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 14:55:51 UTC - in response to Message 1770752.  

The Democrats (Hillary) better stop calling these people sexist and racist names.

And Republicans better stop insults, sexual innuendo and just plain bizarre antics.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35729921

janne...

You are also correct.

No, you are incorrect. Janne is correct about the Republican candidates, whether you are also correct is unknown as you have yet to provide any sources to validate your assertion, despite being asked for them.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1770767 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 16:46:14 UTC - in response to Message 1770754.  
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The Democrats (Hillary) better stop calling these people sexist and racist names.

And Republicans better stop insults, sexual innuendo and just plain bizarre antics.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35729921

janne...

You are also correct.

No, you are incorrect. Janne is correct about the Republican candidates, whether you are also correct is unknown as you have yet to provide any sources to validate your assertion, despite being asked for them.


Does this serve as a source for what Clyde is talking about? Even if Clyde is talking about something different, I de think Bernie has had a mis-step.
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Message 1770775 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 17:37:10 UTC - in response to Message 1770767.  

The Democrats (Hillary) better stop calling these people sexist and racist names.

And Republicans better stop insults, sexual innuendo and just plain bizarre antics.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35729921

janne...

You are also correct.

No, you are incorrect. Janne is correct about the Republican candidates, whether you are also correct is unknown as you have yet to provide any sources to validate your assertion, despite being asked for them.


Does this serve as a source for what Clyde is talking about? Even if Clyde is talking about something different, I de think Bernie has had a mis-step.

Why should we guess? Surely it's on the person making an assertion to provide the supporting evidence? (and no, CLYDE referred to a different individual, so your link does not serve as a source).
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1770779 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 17:46:43 UTC

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/10/news/trump-model-visas/index.html

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Message 1770800 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 19:04:49 UTC

Presidential?
Earlier Today, Hustlin'O'BlabbyHussein had a SNOOOOOZE Conference alongside Kanada's PM.

PitifulPeacePrizer seemed to be Totally Bored and having Hard Time Stayin' Awake.

He spent more time on Using the 'Uh' word and Digging Out with his finger, one of his ears.

A Sickening, Un-Presidential Attempt at Portraying a World Leader.

Made his 'Attacks' Against Future Landslide 'R' Winners of November Elections Totally Ineffective.

Has Frankenstein ever said 'uh' dozens and dozens of times and Dug out His Ears? Answer is Nope.

TOTAL FAIL is A SNOOZER.

Pitiful

RED BUTTON Don in '16. No 'Uh', No Digging Out Ears and No SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZEEE.

Yap.

May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1770805 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 19:47:17 UTC - in response to Message 1770800.  
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Could be worse:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident

Oh btw.
There is a standup comedian in the US, (don't remember his name), that said he want Trump to be elected. "Another four year of material" :)
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Message 1770844 - Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 0:21:02 UTC
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How you feel about Drumpf's views of Islam and Muslims, may help you self-identify as a Democrat or a Republican.

Anticipating CLYDE's objection:

"Republicans were twice as likely as Democrats to say that some religions’ teachings promote violence (32 percent to 15 percent)"
(source)

this might not be a clear cut "both are as bad as each other" situation.
PewResearchCenter wrote:
Among religious groups, most black Protestants (62%) and people without a religious affiliation (65%) say the president should be careful not to criticize Islam as a whole when addressing Islamic extremism. By contrast, about six-in-ten white evangelical Protestants (61%) want the next president to speak bluntly when discussing Islamic extremism, even if that means being critical of Islam. Catholics and white mainline Protestants are more evenly divided on this question.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1770862 - Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 1:51:10 UTC - in response to Message 1770844.  

Bobby, are you sure the stats are of republicans, or did Pew include RINO's and Tea? It would be interesting to see those breakdowns.
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