This is the problem of the US military. ... the US Army...

Ya, well, we had faith they'd take over but they didn't.
It's not the military who didn't get it right. It was our politicians who didn't get it right.
You're safe from us getting involved again for another year.
If Hillary takes the white house next, you're safe from us getting involved again for at least another 5 years.
Good luck.

So you mean NATO are depending of the president of the USA.
Longtime agreements suddenly becoming nullified because of a new president in the US...

Ya, well, we had faith they'd take over but they didn't.

It's not the military who didn't get it right. It was our politicians who didn't get it right.

You're safe from us getting involved again for another year.

If Hillary takes the white house next, you're safe from us getting involved again for at least another 5 years.

Good luck.

And in the end, its not the army who decides when a war is won, its the leadership in Washington. Unless you are advocating that the military does as it pleases, which is an insanely dangerous thing to advocate, the army is incapable of meeting the objectives set out by Washington. But on top of that, the fact remained that when the US left, the insurrection in Iraq had not been stamped out yet. Hoping that you can leave it to a clearly incompetent and ineffective local Iraqi army to clean up the remaining mess is hoping on a miracle. Hoping on miracles is a bad policy.

As for Hillary getting involves, do remember she voted for the Iraq war and that her attitude is pretty hawkish. I would not put it above to get involved in a war, although perhaps not as quick as some of the Republicans would. But thats not a bad thing, war should be your final option after all diplomatic options have been exhausted.

This is the problem of the US military. ... the US Army...

Ya, well, we had faith they'd take over but they didn't.

It's not the military who didn't get it right. It was our politicians who didn't get it right.

You're safe from us getting involved again for another year.

If Hillary takes the white house next, you're safe from us getting involved again for at least another 5 years.

Good luck.

Stop bitching about the rules of engagement Guy. The USA signed the treaty like the rest of the world. The insurgents didn't. That is why Brittan lost in the Revolution. They had their rules and the colonists used those against them. Our leaders should know it and know to stay clear of such conflicts which we can only lose going in.

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It might be time for a name change to the USA to the D-USA as it looks like it'll wind up that way sooner rather than later at the rate things are going.

Cheers.

Brutus yes to changing your electoral system seeing as you don't vote for your President do you , that's done by the college system what ever that is .
Preferential voting is better and actually voting for the president would be good .As the resent elections in England show'd . First past the post is crap your collage system is crap but our system is the best and fairest as we actually vote for every candidate in order of our personal preference .

Also you could save 3/4 of what you spend on your criminal system by just having a decent social safety net other wise know as dare I say these words SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM

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Note: We did try a EU System, after we kicked the British B...s. (With help from France). It failed because the Individual States were too independent. As is the present EU.

You don't need to change the system just allow the people to actually vote for the Commander in Chief letting other politicians vote whom they want is part of the problem . Remember Clyde we too are 7 small country's under one federal agreement and we also have separate state elections but both the Federal election and state elections are preferential voting we actually vote whom we don't pass the buck and allow others to vote for us which is what you have done given your right to say who you want to be the Commander in Chief .

It would be the same as our state premiers vote on our behalf who will control the Federal Government . They try that and all hell will break lose here .

The Premiers of the Australian states are the de facto heads of the executive governments in the six states of the Commonwealth of Australia.

The seventh State is not a state but a territory .

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This thread has started from a discussion about Donald Trump to a America vs Europe discussion.
Rather silly really.
I know that the US people call themself "Americans" but from a European view people from Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Panama, Dominican Republic, Haiti... are also americans.

No. Not the same views.
Ok, I'll bite.
We can call the people who inhabit The USA the Usaers , or Uniters. Or, American Staters, Or...
So, as a Usaer...
Janne...
Have a better name?

No:)
We all call the US for America.
But doing the same for Europe...
Lumping our countries together...
I don't feel like a Russian:) (My GF is however born on the Russian border)
And EU is something no one comprehend.

PS Don't vote for the Donald!

umm Clyde it works for you ??????? ok if you call 20 trill debt as working and no consensus on how to bring it back in line I'll believe you ....not

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Clyde well be right remember we are all a bunch of crim's down here so we will do a deal with the devil if that's what it takes besides we are used to wearing chains and whips ....:-)

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Republican Bevin wins Kentucky governor's race

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/kentucky-governor-race-matt-bevin-wins-215502

Kentucky’s New GOP Lt. Gov. Is Black Tea Party Activist

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426555/kentuckys-new-gop-lt-gov-black-tea-party-activist-john-fund

Interesting.

The largest county voting population, Jefferson County(city - Louisville), generally goes Democrat, and they did this time too, but not enough to deflect the rest of the state which usually goes Republican.

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Republican Bevin wins Kentucky governor's race

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/kentucky-governor-race-matt-bevin-wins-215502

Kentucky’s New GOP Lt. Gov. Is Black Tea Party Activist

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426555/kentuckys-new-gop-lt-gov-black-tea-party-activist-john-fund

Interesting.

The largest county voting population, Jefferson County(city - Louisville), generally goes Democrat, and they did this time too, but not enough to deflect the rest of the state which usually goes Republican.

Bevin, a self-funding investment manager, rode a late surge of outside support from national Republicans to defeat Democrat Jack Conway, 53 percent to 44 percent, according to The Associated Press. Bevin will become just the second Republican to inhabit the governor’s mansion in Frankfort in more than four decades.

Polls prior to the vote showed a close race, with most surveys giving Conway, the state's sitting attorney general, a slight advantage.

Bevin's victory capped a successful night for Republicans, who picked up four of the six independently elected statewide positions despite going into Tuesday with just one GOP officeholder. Their victories included ousting state Auditor Adam Edelen, who was thought to be Democrats' top pick to challenge GOP Sen. Rand Paul next year.

As with the other referenced items. And the election of a Black Tea Party Activist:

Interesting Presidential Election.

I think you're right. It will be an interesting 2016. Kentucky, though, is usually pretty predictable, lol.

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A p.s. to my post a little bit ago:

I think Kentucky at large will go with Trump or whoever is the Republican Presidential nominee. In yesterday's election for governor, typically Democratic Jefferson County just didn't have enough Democratic votes to surpass an overwhelming majority of the state's other 119 counties that almost always go Republican.

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A p.s. to my post a little bit ago:

I think Kentucky at large will go with Trump or whoever is the Republican Presidential nominee. In yesterday's election for governor, typically Democratic Jefferson County just didn't have enough Democratic votes to surpass an overwhelming majority of the state's other 119 counties that almost always go Republican.

In the last Presidential Election:

Romney lost because the Conservative Republicans and Tea Party 'Stayed Home'. If they didn't: President Romney.

If the Democrats continue their 'Move to the Left'. The voter reaction will be a Republican victory.

This has nothing to do with who is correct. Just our Culture.

Additionally: Neither Trump nor Carson should win the Nomination. If they give their unconditional support to the eventual victor: It will be a landslide.

Very good points. There does seem to be a sea change brewing.

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Poll Poll Poll

Polls

All He Spakes About.

Donald is A Dick.

R. Paul is Da Man.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

I would never advocate voting for someone on the basis of their gender.

Well of course not, but a lot of people do--which is blatantly sexist. And they are the one's complaining the loudest about sexism in America.

Actually, it would be better to scrap thousands of pages from the tax code

Are you actually an American citizen flying a different flag in here to mask your identity? I actually agree with you on this. And the best plan I've heard is from Carly Fiorina. 3 PAGES!

Meh, I'd start with strengthening the existing regulatory agencies.

Well, back to disagreeing. Over 4 Million federal employees, almost 500 federal agencies and sub-agencies. When we go into "government shutdown," our "non-essential services" lock their doors and their employees go home. Why are tax payers paying for "non-essential" services? The Donald needs to point his finger at the "non-essential" services and say, "You're Fired!" and then for all agencies and sub-agencies that are duplicating efforts of other agencies and sub-agencies, The Donald needs to point his finger at them, too, and say, "You're Fired!" I'd say that's at least HALF that need to be fired, total, to begin with. And then we could start looking at why the federal government is doing things that need to be pushed down to the states to handle, where authority and responsibility truly belongs.

Its not a matter of allowing. Face the fact that the US isn't all powerful and that some things can't be solved just like that.

If we took our gloves off, we could really hurt a lot of bad guys in the middle east.

Furthermore, cut back on military spending,

Our military has been in degredation mode for several years now.

institute better checks on the way defense contracts are awarded,

Been corrupt since Reagan gave the military so much money, and the democrats tied the hands of the military in how the military spent it. (*MUST SPEND ALL MONEY ALLOCATED WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR*)

increase funding for NASA dramatically, increase funding for scientific research dramatically,

Ben Carson wants to fix both of these since the current administration has tried to destroy both of these.

impose further restrictions on polluting energy, invest and create incentives for states to invest in more green energy, spearhead an effort to turn the economy greener,

Ya, right. The world runs on petroleum for the time being. We need to free up burning fossil fuels for the time being. Otherwise, we'll probably piss away our *real* chance of surviving a post petroleum based world economy.

create a new constitutional amendment overturning the Citizens United ruling by the supreme court, if necessary create a constitutional amendment overturning the hobby lobby decision of the Supreme Court, create a constitutional amendment banning any and all mandatory minimum sentences, ban all private prisons, deinvest in the prison system.

Looks like you are *all* for centralizing all power and control into the hands of the Washington Crime Syndicate and it looks like you are *all* for not encouraging citizens to follow the law. I'm more for the following list of constitutional amendments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Liberty_Amendments

Eh, yeah that would be my priorities I suppose in an ideal world. However, I'm fully aware that for most of those things I would need a majority in congress and for the constitutional amendments I think I would also need support in at least 2/3 of all the states right? So it would be an uphill battle to even get 5 of those things done.

The thing that most people are unaware of, such as yourself, is the fact that our federal government hasn't been following the rules at an accelerated pace. If the federal government had been following the rules (and the intent of the founders) all along, we would not be facing the issues we have today.

Don't begin to dream that seeing a blank in our ignore lists, with not even thing to click on, means we cannot still tell who you are and read your post history (which you can no longer delete and replace with "..." now that you are no longer a mod).

Guy?

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He's chucked his toys out of the pram again.

Cheers.

hehehehehe i wounder , what are they talking about then i relised ....no name .Ok from now on i'll call you "he that can not be named ".....na to long no name it is then .

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hehehehehe i wounder , what are they talking about then i relised ....no name .Ok from now on i'll call you "he that can not be named ".....na to long no name it is then .

Glenn that is very incomplete, the proper title is Guy who became Brutus and most recently no name. The man is living proof of evolution in real time.

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