Gary...

What are your proposals in Securing a Border. Which doesn't cost money?

I would think there are far greater issues facing the US than securing borders against illegals who can just as easily contribute to the GDP of this great nation, as well as generating additional tax revenue to help pay for our ever-increasing debt.

I'll spend the money.
It would cost less in the long run to do it right and stop the bleeding from across the border than to do nothing and support countless illegals streaming across to take our life's savings from us who have supported and contributed to the system for all of our working lives to rather than to give it to some bastard who never contributed a dime and now thinks he has rights to our social services.

F all of them, every single one of them.

Build the damned wall, Mr. Trump.

You shall NOT, repeat NOT spend ONE dime of MY tax money to wall US in. GOT THAT buddy?

I'll give a ten spot says we do in the next decade.
Should have happened long ago...............
I have dead relatives from US service that told me long AGO it had to happen to protect our borders.

You can make a statement about NOT spending your tax dollare for it??
Since when have you had the say to vote where your dollars went?
You are delusional in thinking you have any say.

This is a man accosting me with very self induced issues unanswered.
Yes, in the next twenty years, the US is going to build a wall between our southern borders. I have no doubt.

The regime is gonna change, my friend.
And when it happens, shit is gonna hit the fan.
Handouts via social services are gonna stop dead.
Yes, crime might rise for a short while when the entitled find out the are not anymore.
Once everybody realizes there is no free lunch anymore, there is going to be a landslide in crime. But not if we have enough bullets.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I'll spend the money.
It would cost less in the long run to do it right and stop the bleeding from across the border than to do nothing and support countless illegals streaming across to take our life's savings from us who have supported and contributed to the system for all of our working lives to rather than to give it to some bastard who never contributed a dime and now thinks he has rights to our social services.

F all of them, every single one of them.

Build the damned wall, Mr. Trump.

You shall NOT, repeat NOT spend ONE dime of MY tax money to wall US in. GOT THAT buddy?

Mr. Reagan, "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down that wall!"
Mark, "Build that wall!"

sigh.

When will society learn that building walls is never the answer?

No need to answer that question... I think I already know the answer.

Handouts via social services are gonna stop dead.
Yes, crime might rise for a short while when the entitled find out the are not anymore.
Once everybody realizes there is no free lunch anymore, there is going to be a landslide in crime. But not if we have enough bullets.

So, you think the acceptable way forward is to make life more difficult for the poor (those you describe as "entitled"), and when they rise up due to poor conditions, your answer is to kill them with bullets since they will be criminals.

How is this the answer? Why is killing people the right thing to do?

I'm just trying to understand why you obviously have no regard for human life but then profess to love Jesus Christ. WWJD?

Handouts via social services are gonna stop dead.
Yes, crime might rise for a short while when the entitled find out the are not anymore.
Once everybody realizes there is no free lunch anymore, there is going to be a landslide in crime. But not if we have enough bullets.

So, you think the acceptable way forward is to make life more difficult for the poor (those you describe as "entitled"), and when they rise up due to poor conditions, your answer is to kill them with bullets since they will be criminals.

How is this the answer? Why is killing people the right thing to do?

I'm just trying to understand why you obviously have no regard for human life but then profess to love Jesus Christ. WWJD?

Jesus

Handouts via social services are gonna stop dead.
Yes, crime might rise for a short while when the entitled find out the are not anymore.
Once everybody realizes there is no free lunch anymore, there is going to be a landslide in crime. But not if we have enough bullets.

So, you think the acceptable way forward is to make life more difficult for the poor (those you describe as "entitled"), and when they rise up due to poor conditions, your answer is to kill them with bullets since they will be criminals.

How is this the answer? Why is killing people the right thing to do?

I'm just trying to understand why you obviously have no regard for human life but then profess to love Jesus Christ. WWJD?

Jesus

Oh, I understand now. I misunderstood the teachings of Jesus.

Actually doing as Jesus taught* is much harder than stopping drinking to an alcoholic.



*assumes Jesus existed and actually taught the things attributed to him.

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Gary...

What are your proposals in Securing a Border. Which doesn't cost money?

I would think there are far greater issues facing the US than securing borders against illegals who can just as easily contribute to the GDP of this great nation, as well as generating additional tax revenue to help pay for our ever-increasing debt.

Perhaps the best way would be to make entry via official means so painless that there is zero need to cross by any other method. As to goods, the only good today that doesn't cross at an official crossing is drugs. If we were to end this insane war on drugs, btw the drugs won, there would be no need for them to cross other than officially.

<ed>In other words, get rid of the need of a wall!

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"Democracy doesn't work unless you participate."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IlKsbQ16c

Individual Freedom Not to Vote.

But why not vote at all?
One can vote for nothing and that counts as well.

"Democracy doesn't work unless you participate."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IlKsbQ16c

Two competing Freedoms.

Freedom to vote.

Individual Freedom Not to Vote.

Interestingly - Marxist (Mass Murdering and Enslaving) Ideology. When they take Power:

FORCE everyone to vote.

Like that Marxist hotbed, Australia?

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Reality Internet Personality

"Democracy doesn't work unless you participate."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IlKsbQ16c

Two competing Freedoms.
Freedom to vote.
Individual Freedom Not to Vote.
Interestingly - Marxist (Mass Murdering and Enslaving) Ideology. When they take Power:
FORCE everyone to vote.

Like that Marxist hotbed, Australia?

Marxist? Australia?
As of August 2013, 22 countries have laws for compulsory voting and 11 of these 22 countries enforce these laws in practice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting

"Democracy doesn't work unless you participate."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IlKsbQ16c

Two competing Freedoms.
Freedom to vote.
Individual Freedom Not to Vote.
Interestingly - Marxist (Mass Murdering and Enslaving) Ideology. When they take Power:
FORCE everyone to vote.

Like that Marxist hotbed, Australia?

Marxist? Australia?
As of August 2013, 22 countries have laws for compulsory voting and 11 of these 22 countries enforce these laws in practice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting

My oh my. Australia on the same list as North Korea?

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My oh my. Australia on the same list as North Korea?

There is a difference:)
Northern Koreans are presented with a single candidate in the district where they live. These candidates are chosen by the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland, the governing coalition, which is controlled by the Workers' Party. There is only one box to tick.

Like that Marxist hotbed, Australia?

Yep, we're very Marxist. :-D

If you don't want to vote here, then be prepared to pay a $50aud fine, if you get caught. ;-)

Cheers.

How does Australian Laws diminish the Responsibilities of the Mass Murdering and Enslaving Marxists?

How does Australian Laws diminish the Evilness of those who Practice, Preach, Teach or Excuse Mass Murdering and Enslaving Marxists?

As those who presently, or in the past, excuse and/or celebrate Stalin, Mao, Castro Brothers, Che, et al?

WE don't Clyde and compulsory voting is not what you think . AS YOU STILL HAVE A CHOICE TO NOT VOTE

you pay a small fine or you fall off the electoral roll or you don't register , the last 2 points are not against the law and you will not get fined , you only get fined if you register and do not vote .And this is to stop fraud in the system .

So we do have the freedom not to vote .

We are just not as stupid as you guys are in believing the argument of having a right not to vote and that is why you should not have laws for compulsory voting .

Our system allows both .

Also this argument was had back in the 30's and all the same stupid arguments you use now , where used back then .

It has nothing to do with the pathectic arguments for Marxism , only you dumb Yanks listen to wedge politics and then believe it as a fair argument when it's just B/S for those without a brain to become confused and scared .

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Be very careful of a man running for President that is or has used racism to sterr people up into voting for him .

Or have you all forgot what Hitler did he played the racism card too against the Jews .

And remember what has happen'd here in ozz and in England you vote republican you will be voting for austerity and a police state and a escalation of war and the loss of your health care .

Oh right your economy is going gangbusters so you don't need to worry if they cut , cut ,cut there budgets

as your unemployment figures are at 3-4% arn't they ?

7 years after the GFC and you still haven't recovered from it oh well you can always whinge after it's to late right , pity it won't pay your bills or put food on the table .

Bring on the END of DAYS yeeeeeeeee

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Clyde if your talking about the compulsery voting then wake up mate it's been in for aprox 70 years so when in your crystal ball are theses fines going to come in .

Also i'll tell you it was the Liberal(Republicans) that introduced it .

So the only thing you can draw from it is that it's always the Liberal's(Republicans) that will take your freedoms away

Wasn't it J.W.Bush and the Republicans that introduced the Patriot Act which effectivly took all your rights away .

And of cause the Republicans are backing a man that is using the same tactics Hitler did .

So the only polictical party's that have tried to take the rights of the people away and proven this buy actually doing so is the Liberal (republican) Party's .

So stop being hippocrates and voting for the very people that have and did take your rights away , caused the GFC and started all the trouble in the middle east.

I'll just sit here and laugh at all those that vote for them i can't wait to say "I TOLD YOU SO ,SO STOP WHINEING SUCCKERS" "YOUR BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF "

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I'll just sit here and laugh at all those that vote for them i can't wait to say "I TOLD YOU SO ,SO STOP WHINEING SUCCKERS" "YOUR BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF "

Glenn the spin off will get you too. I affects everybody on the planet.

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I'll just sit here and laugh at all those that vote for them i can't wait to say "I TOLD YOU SO ,SO STOP WHINEING SUCCKERS" "YOUR BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF "

Glenn the spin off will get you too. I affects everybody on the planet.

Yes your right but i will still be in a better position than you guys will .

our Election is next year and if the polls stay the same as they are now the Labor Party will win and we can get rid of the so called Rhodes schooler Tony Abbot so i'll be ok even if all out www3 starts .

Any Radiation from nukes let of in the northern hemispere will be diluted enough so as not to cause to much of a problem down here we are just to far away.

But you can stop the rot before it starts learn the lessons of England and Australia DON"T VOTE FOR THEM

You can already see what will happen if they win . Obama has given them the tool they need to put there plans into action the agreement with IRAN , this is the tool that will give them total control as they will try to start a war with them .

It was fortold Obama would do something that will lead to ww 3 and i have been waiting for it and i now belieave this is it . He has done the right thing but the dogs of war will be able to use it to cause ciaos and start the END OF DAYS .

They already had a dry run back in 2001 and you can bet they have learn't a few lessons and refined there actions to go even fearther than they did last time .

If only you all understood what they mean buy science will solve all the problems . To understand it you need to understand what the problem is and i dought any of you have figured out what the problem actually is there talking about , even thou there have been hits to this for some time now .

Thank gowd i'm at the end of my life so if i'm killed , big deal i made it to 50 and that's enough pity the young ones thou .

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