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Message 1763205 - Posted: 7 Feb 2016, 20:08:27 UTC

Everything seems to be humming right along with the exception of occasional .5 second lags in display refresh when I have three or four applications open on the desktop. I'm running 3 wus at a time on the 750 and I removed the -use_sleep after reading tbar's post and I used his command:
-sbs 256 -unroll 12 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2304 -ffa_block_fetch 1152 "(Sleep is for the Weak)"


am I one of the 'weak' referred to (indicating I should restore the "sleep")or should I reduce the number of concurrent tasks to two?

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Message 1763208 - Posted: 7 Feb 2016, 20:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 1763205.  
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Everything seems to be humming right along with the exception of occasional .5 second lags in display refresh when I have three or four applications open on the desktop. I'm running 3 wus at a time on the 750 and I removed the -use_sleep after reading tbar's post and I used his command:
-sbs 256 -unroll 12 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2304 -ffa_block_fetch 1152 "(Sleep is for the Weak)"


am I one of the 'weak' referred to (indicating I should restore the "sleep")or should I reduce the number of concurrent tasks to two?

Back when I was testing APs on my 750Ti I found the best results were with Driver 337, running One task at a time, and the settings;
-sbs 256 -unroll 12 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2304 -ffa_block_fetch 1152 (Sleep is for the Weak)

I thought it was pretty clear. I did say ONE. An unroll of 12 will bring the GPU load up to around 98% with just One AP task. Adding more tasks will not give any noticeable improvement but will instead Overload the GPU causing Screen Lag and possible driver restarts. Either lower the unroll or reduce it to One task. That will definitely solve the problem.

With those settings and driver 337, I was getting run times of ~28 minutes with my 750Ti running One task at a time.
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Message 1763216 - Posted: 7 Feb 2016, 20:23:07 UTC - in response to Message 1763205.  

Everything seems to be humming right along with the exception of occasional .5 second lags in display refresh when I have three or four applications open on the desktop. I'm running 3 wus at a time on the 750 and I removed the -use_sleep after reading tbar's post and I used his command:
-sbs 256 -unroll 12 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2304 -ffa_block_fetch 1152 "(Sleep is for the Weak)"


am I one of the 'weak' referred to (indicating I should restore the "sleep")or should I reduce the number of concurrent tasks to two?

Question is, what's your CPU utilization look like? Without use sleep, it probably in the 90 percentile, with it it will be below 10%.
Only thing I'm a bit confused by is I definitely placed the command line data in a different place, perhaps because I'm running Lunatics? Mine is in ap_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_NV.txt located in the projects/setiathome directory.
I only run 2 tasks per 750ti, as my testing showed better results than with running three. ymmv. Reason I use sleep is that this frees the CPU enough that it can keep running 8 VLARS even during a AP flood (trickle?) so I don't need to manage things manually to keep the boxes fully utilized.
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Message 1763256 - Posted: 7 Feb 2016, 21:45:33 UTC - in response to Message 1763216.  

Jim,

I might have hit 3 instead of 2 on the board, I don't remember..But it's the ap_cmdline_win_x86_XXXXX_OpenCL_NV.txt

It's probably going to be named slightly different in others folders.

The decision to run 1 or 2 or 3 is up to the operator. YMMV as we say, so testing is the only way to know for sure.

I usually don't put in a command for how many instance to run, I leave that to the app_config.xml but I'm sure if you want to put it in the command line you can.
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Message 1763277 - Posted: 7 Feb 2016, 23:04:26 UTC - in response to Message 1763256.  

Jim,

I might have hit 3 instead of 2 on the board, I don't remember..But it's the ap_cmdline_win_x86_XXXXX_OpenCL_NV.txt

It's probably going to be named slightly different in others folders.

The decision to run 1 or 2 or 3 is up to the operator. YMMV as we say, so testing is the only way to know for sure.

I usually don't put in a command for how many instance to run, I leave that to the app_config.xml but I'm sure if you want to put it in the command line you can.

Yeah, we're both saying the same, dunno what I was thinking ... those brain cells must have died. Likewise, I use app_config for the <count> stuff.
Thanks ..
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Message 1763321 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 1:43:39 UTC

I thought it was pretty clear. I did say ONE.
Yes it was clear, I'm somewhat of a curious individual though who likes to push the envelope on performance. It didn't work out in this case. I sometimes have to see for myself, got a lot of unnecessary scars in my life doing that.......":D>


Thanks everybody, I reintroduced sleep and lowered the concurrent jobs to 2 so far no framing whatsoever. Again many thanks for the tuneup advice.

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Message 1763337 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 2:40:36 UTC

It looks as though this run will end soon and once again I did not get enough, doesn't Seti know that APs are part of my entitlement?
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Message 1763340 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 3:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 1763025.  
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Thanks TBar, this is a fraction too involved me I think I would crash the task. I am pleased this works for you

I successfully managed to change this task from CPU to my ATI card however in the process I lost a considerable amount of work from another project. I did exit Boinc before saving changes in the appropriate file
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Message 1763351 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 3:27:56 UTC - in response to Message 1762997.  

-use_sleep -unroll 10 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 512 -ffa_block 6144 -ffa_block_fetch 1536


Jim try these. Got this from the old 750Ti thread

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75919#1588675

this as the last recommendation on a 750Ti

-use_sleep -unroll 6 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2830 -ffa_block_fetch 2830 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

See if it helps


I was just wondering, would the same commands work on a GTX650ti or are they specific to only the 750?
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Message 1763379 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 5:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 1762997.  

-use_sleep -unroll 10 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 512 -ffa_block 6144 -ffa_block_fetch 1536


Jim try these. Got this from the old 750Ti thread

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75919#1588675

this as the last recommendation on a 750Ti

-use_sleep -unroll 6 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2830 -ffa_block_fetch 2830 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

See if it helps

Thanks, Z. I'll give that a shot.
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Message 1763381 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 5:54:09 UTC - in response to Message 1763351.  



I was just wondering, would the same commands work on a GTX650ti or are they specific to only the 750?



Mike is the one who knows the best commandlines.

I think this might be underpowered for the 650Ti if I remember correctly.
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Message 1763402 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 8:45:14 UTC - in response to Message 1763351.  

-use_sleep -unroll 10 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 512 -ffa_block 6144 -ffa_block_fetch 1536


Jim try these. Got this from the old 750Ti thread

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75919#1588675

this as the last recommendation on a 750Ti

-use_sleep -unroll 6 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2830 -ffa_block_fetch 2830 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

See if it helps


I was just wondering, would the same commands work on a GTX650ti or are they specific to only the 750?


Try -use_sleep -unroll 8 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 2830 -ffa_block_fetch 2830 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1.


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Message 1763434 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 13:57:51 UTC

While rooting around in my SETI project file I noticed a couple of instances of AP wus being listed as follows:

10oc15ab.19376.809653.3.30.129 but lists the file type as "OpenOffice.org XML Spreadsheet" instead of 127file or such.

Anybody have a clue what's going on?

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Message 1763436 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 14:15:30 UTC

Ah, the joys of Windoze file associations - in the main this can be ignored - I frequently get tasks being associated with one or other of the plain text editors I use because once a long time ago I used that editor to open a task that ended with ".xyz", and now Windoze wants me to use that editor to open them. The great thing is that BOINC passes the whole file name to the SETI application, and neither of those takes any notice of the Windoze associations.
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Message 1763440 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 14:25:51 UTC - in response to Message 1763434.  

Just Windows trying to be helpful. All files have a name (obviously): originally, Windows ran on top of MS-DOS, and inherited the file naming conventions and formats from DOS. Thus:

FILENAME.EXT

We can be much more flexible with our filenames nowadays, but the final part - after the last . (period/full stop) in the name - is still know as the 'extension' of the name.

The extension is the only thing Windows looks at to decide what program to launch when you double-click on the file. If your copy of Windows recognises the extension as one associated with a particular program, it'll display the name or description of the program - either part of Windows itself, or a program you've installed since getting the machine - instead of showing the raw extension as part of the filename.

Application developers down the decades have used (and sometimes re-used) a huge number of extensions to designate their private file formats - there are lists available at sites like filext.com. I would have expected a SETI file ending .123 to show up as a spreadsheet file, because there used to be a very popular spreadsheet program called 'Lotus 1-2-3', and newer office programs may have retained the ability to recognise and read the old format.
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Message 1763444 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 14:33:28 UTC

Thanks Rob & Richard, I was concerned my fiddling had caused an error. You have put my mind at ease. No surprise that M$ is still living with ghosts of it's past....":)>

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Message 1763498 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 17:55:05 UTC - in response to Message 1763340.  

Thanks TBar, this is a fraction too involved me I think I would crash the task. I am pleased this works for you

I successfully managed to change this task from CPU to my ATI card however in the process I lost a considerable amount of work from another project. I did exit Boinc before saving changes in the appropriate file

BOINC Rescheduler still works (I even patched it to work with SETI@home v8, but for AstroPulse it don't need patch)
Why not use it? (if you after all are already inclined to Reschedule manually)
 


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Message 1763545 - Posted: 8 Feb 2016, 22:14:36 UTC - in response to Message 1763498.  

Thanks TBar, this is a fraction too involved me I think I would crash the task. I am pleased this works for you

I successfully managed to change this task from CPU to my ATI card however in the process I lost a considerable amount of work from another project. I did exit Boinc before saving changes in the appropriate file

BOINC Rescheduler still works (I even patched it to work with SETI@home v8, but for AstroPulse it don't need patch)
Why not use it? (if you after all are already inclined to Reschedule manually)

A good question you raise. I was looking for this yesterday and was unable to find and download. Are you able to provide a download link
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Message 1763581 - Posted: 9 Feb 2016, 2:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1763545.  

Thanks TBar, this is a fraction too involved me I think I would crash the task. I am pleased this works for you

I successfully managed to change this task from CPU to my ATI card however in the process I lost a considerable amount of work from another project. I did exit Boinc before saving changes in the appropriate file

BOINC Rescheduler still works (I even patched it to work with SETI@home v8, but for AstroPulse it don't need patch)
Why not use it? (if you after all are already inclined to Reschedule manually)

A good question you raise. I was looking for this yesterday and was unable to find and download. Are you able to provide a download link

http://www.efmer.eu/download/boinc/scheduler/boinc_rescheduler_2_7.zip

"BOINC Rescheduler - How to patch for SETI@home v7"
http://pastebin.com/a635m8CW

Change 7 to 8 in:

setiathome_enhanced -> setiathome_v8
Seti Enhanced -> SETI@home v8
Seti EH -> Seti v8

 
 


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Message 1763600 - Posted: 9 Feb 2016, 4:54:26 UTC - in response to Message 1763581.  
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Thanks TBar, this is a fraction too involved me I think I would crash the task. I am pleased this works for you

I successfully managed to change this task from CPU to my ATI card however in the process I lost a considerable amount of work from another project. I did exit Boinc before saving changes in the appropriate file

BOINC Rescheduler still works (I even patched it to work with SETI@home v8, but for AstroPulse it don't need patch)
Why not use it? (if you after all are already inclined to Reschedule manually)

A good question you raise. I was looking for this yesterday and was unable to find and download. Are you able to provide a download link

http://www.efmer.eu/download/boinc/scheduler/boinc_rescheduler_2_7.zip

"BOINC Rescheduler - How to patch for SETI@home v7"
http://pastebin.com/a635m8CW

Change 7 to 8 in:

setiathome_enhanced -> setiathome_v8
Seti Enhanced -> SETI@home v8
Seti EH -> Seti v8

 

Thanks for links. Could you please let me know what lines I need to change as I can't find the pacific lines I need to change. This is most likely because I can't read programming code. I'm using the problem recommended in the guide.

In regards to if I just wanted to reschedule APs will work without needing changes?
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