Still don't see where your difficulty with it is.
They drove CAMPERS within the district. CAMPERS.
Now, you mention ordinary; ordinary people TEND to take CAMPERS on further trips than that. Not on in-town/in-district trips.
SO, either, they are non-ordinary for their short distance use of campers or they weren't from the area making it infiltration and not grass-roots.

Still don't see where your difficulty with it is.
They drove CAMPERS within the district. CAMPERS.
Now, you mention ordinary; ordinary people TEND to take CAMPERS on further trips than that. Not on in-town/in-district trips.
SO, either, they are non-ordinary for their short distance use of campers or they weren't from the area making it infiltration and not grass-roots.

Campers? Like gypsies? Sorry should be the Romani/roaming people

Still don't see where your difficulty with it is.
They drove CAMPERS within the district. CAMPERS.
Now, you mention ordinary; ordinary people TEND to take CAMPERS on further trips than that. Not on in-town/in-district trips.
SO, either, they are non-ordinary for their short distance use of campers or they weren't from the area making it infiltration and not grass-roots.

Campers? Like gypsies? Sorry should be the Romani/roaming people

No, "campers" as in the type of vehicle of which I showed a picture yesterday. My family used tents and campers for several summers for our vacations. (To "rough it" rather than stay in hotels.) We would stay in campgrounds both of well known management ("KOA") and less know ones. The trips were more than 40 miles. More like hundreds of miles from home. Not within a home political district.

Sarge I guess I'm missing your meaning with regards to the camper and the Giron recall. I didn't see anything significant in the photo.

Why is it difficult to understand? If it was, as claimed, grassroots from that side, that would mean it was free of outsiders on that side. Is it normal for someone to travel 5 miles ... yes, 5 ... 10 at best ... to set up a location for signing petitions in a WalMart parking lot ... drive that 5 to 10 miles in a camper?

The restrooms are for customers only!

To my knowledge, they were not unwelcome by WalMart or other places they set up to have petitions signed.

That's it? The Camper?

I thought you had spotted Wayne La Pierre in the background or something. Wow. I can't believe that's your proof of outlander control or coercion. I can think of 2 reasons off the top of my head for the camp TRAILER.

1) It was used throughout the campaign as a mobile office and was taken to whichever location was being used each day.

2) A camp TRAILER provides some of the comforts basic to a volunteer effort such as a toilet, a refrigerator, a stove and a table for paperwork.

And as far as the distance driven, I know people who spend $20 in gas and another $20 in parking to drive 12 blocks in their motor home to tailgate at a Bronco's game. To drive 5 or 10 miles towing a trailer for a cause you feel is important is insignificant.

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Still don't see where your difficulty with it is.
They drove CAMPERS within the district. CAMPERS.
Now, you mention ordinary; ordinary people TEND to take CAMPERS on further trips than that. Not on in-town/in-district trips.
SO, either, they are non-ordinary for their short distance use of campers or they weren't from the area making it infiltration and not grass-roots.

Campers? Like gypsies? Sorry should be the Romani/roaming people

No, "campers" as in the type of vehicle of which I showed a picture yesterday. My family used tents and campers for several summers for our vacations. (To "rough it" rather than stay in hotels.) We would stay in campgrounds both of well known management ("KOA") and less know ones. The trips were more than 40 miles. More like hundreds of miles from home. Not within a home political district.

My pic is actually real "campers" and they live like that even today.
Now they come from Romania and Bulgaria.
Not from Finland as a couple next door.
I like her traditional dress though...

it does take all kinds doesn't it? sigh .........

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Oh look we got two non British people telling British people what their culture is like.

And Non-Americans telling Americans, what American Culture is like?

Can't stop laughing at your Post.

To some degree yes. But thanks to the Americanization of Western culture, American culture is no longer strictly American. I am in a better position to comment on certain, extremely visible, aspects of American culture than you are to comment in a very generalized manner about very specific aspects of British culture.

Oh, and as for American culture being all about telling authority to piss off, you clearly haven't visited the bible belt have you? Never heard the stories of school boards trying to rewrite history class so it teaches children 'respect and obedience for authority' or the incessant hammering from Christian fundamentalist on respecting authority? Or Hollywood who in the past few years has been churning out army propaganda like crazy? And how about Edward Snowden, possibly the ultimate rebel against authority, who most Americans want to see jailed because of what he did?

Glass houses Clyde. Don't comment on other nations supposed respect for authority when your own nation isn't doing exactly that well either. And unlike your suggestions about the UK, I got proof to back up mine about the US.

True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

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True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

Uhm 'lead poisoning' is usually a term that means getting shot, because bullets were made of lead.

Uhm 'lead poisoning' is usually a term that means getting shot, because bullets were made of lead.

True but in context of Es post .You can't blame lead bullets for violence . But lead poisoning possibly but from what i know about lead poisoning i doubt it .

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The Glass in your House, appears to be getting very, very, very thin.

You are free to criticize the Netherlands for its failings, if you can come up with some actual criticism. And trust me, the Netherlands can be criticized on a lot of points.

All I do, as neither The Left nor Right can grasp, nor Intellectually Understand:

Is Post a reply, using their own Silly Thinking (at best), to show what they are really thinking.

No you don't. All you do is dismiss what other people are saying like you are the authority on what argument is acceptable and what argument isn't.

No you don't. All you do is dismiss what other people are saying like you are the authority on what argument is acceptable and what argument isn't.

Black Kettle, Black Pot.......sorry, I couldn't resist.

(Switches back to 'Ignore as Irrelevant' mode)

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True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

There was a whole generation that grew up with lead in petrol and there is a correlation between that and violent crime. There was also still a lot of lead in plumbing and paints that people grew up with.

Did removing lead from petrol spark a decline in crime?

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True.

Lead poisoning is actually a more likely factor.

Nope sorry Lead is bad for chidren but adults not so it effects your nerves .

And the offical WHO lead poisoning level is 60 ppm but as anybody who has worked in the lead industry knows anything over 4 ppm is poisoning just don't try and sue anybody or your going to have a fight on your hands .

Umm maybe your onto something there Es my last blood test was 24 ppm before i quit and i used to get the shakes and get upset and start crying for no reason still occasionally get the mild shakes but not the emotional crying thank gowd mmm maybe it explains a few things ..........:)

There was a whole generation that grew up with lead in petrol and there is a correlation between that and violent crime. There was also still a lot of lead in plumbing and paints that people grew up with.

Did removing lead from petrol spark a decline in crime?

That is scarey in a very different sort of way. Cops spend a lot of time at shooting ranges splattering lead bullets all over sending lead dust in the air. I just wonder if there is some relationship to how unarmed people get shot?

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In order for lead to affect you it has to be high .

A typical person working at a gas station pumping petrol would have had a Blood lead of aproxx 12-15 ppm .

Although it is high it's not high enough by it's self . You would have had to been doing it for more than 5 years before there are bad health effects .

My personal experience with Lead is it effects your nerves you get the trembles and become a bit scatted in your thinking and start to cry for nothing . I have not seen anybody become a criminal because of it , however there may be something in the fact you may have a quicker temper than you did before you had a high blood lead . I won't tell you how i reacted when the underlings did not do there job well and i would end up having to redo it and then my own work , but here's a cue .

The odd Jackhammer bit 1.8 meters would on occasion go flying through the air and they are not light pieces of equipment to be able to just grab it and sling it 10 meters into the air and land some 20 meters from me .

You can lesson the effects buy having a high calcium diet .
The real problem is with young children as it does shrink there brains and stop them for develping and has been shown to limit I.Q
So for a adult you have to watch out for the lead entering your Bones as Lead is used by the body as a subsitute for calcium .
But baring long exposure then once you stop being around lead it will pass through you and your Blood lead will return to normal which should be zero or no higher than about 4 ppm .

Lead in the form of a metal is harmless . It only becomes a problem when it oxyides or is burnt and most exposures are from the fumes of lead or breathing it in as a spray painter and why you have to wear a full suit theses days if your spaying it .

Having lead dust on your hands is also harmless . It enters the body via the hands touching your mouth or breathing in the dust

Clyde being at a shooting gallery does not mean exposure . the lead dust you say is there is more from the gun powder not lead bullets breaking into pieces they just don't breakdown small enough for it to be a problem . It has to be very fine dust to breath it in not gunpowder residue so i think you will have been ok .

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Any shooting range today is required by OSHA to have 'adequate' ventilation. The range I'm a member of has a negative pressure system that pulls air through and filters the exhaust before venting to the outside.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

It's not a problem endemic to or caused by 'Gun Culture'. Maybe it's time for Austrians to give up their SUV's....http://www.independent.ie/world-news/three-killed-in-austria-crowd-crash-31316994.html

From News World News 21 June 2015

A man apparently distraught over personal issues has driven his SUV into a crowd in Austria's second largest city, killing a four-year old and two adults. Police in the city of Graz said 34 others were injured, with six victims, including two children, in a serious condition. They said there were no indications of a terrorist attack, and the suspect was apparently distressed over personal problems when he targeted his victims.

The governor of Styria province, Hermann Schuetzenhoefer, described the suspect as a 26-year-old Austrian truck driver who was "mentally disoriented" and acting alone. He was arrested shortly after the incident.

Police commander Josef Klamminger told reporters that the man had been under a restraining order keeping him from the home of his wife and two children since a domestic violence report against him was filed last month. He was being psychologically evaluated after his arrest.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

ow gowg you are pushing it now mate .Only if it's as often as the mass killing are happening in your country .:)

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Any shooting range today is required by OSHA to have 'adequate' ventilation. The range I'm a member of has a negative pressure system that pulls air through and filters the exhaust before venting to the outside.

Well, we passed a law against it. Problem solved. Just like speeding. Just like running red lights. Just like murder is illegal. Just like gun control. Just like cooking workers with tuna. Problem solved. Everyone follows the law 100% of the time. Problem solved. Oh, does OSHA apply to a government owned firing range?

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