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Message 1691609 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 12:04:48 UTC - in response to Message 1691511.  
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Three years ago the State of New York passed a magazine limit on all firearms limiting them to 5 rounds. In New York City owners were required to register all firearms, and last year the NYPD sent letters to all who had registered to immediately turn in those legally owned and registered guns.


This is the proof that the NRA tells lie's and b/s . You talk the talk but don't walk the walk hippocites .

Both New York and Obama care had the same problem . Both are good things for America one saves lives buy allowing everyone to have health care the other will save lives buy reducing the death rate.

They both have been stopped buy your Constitution .

So both governments have done the only thing they could .

try to bring in the reform by going around the Constitution .

They only wished to remove the Assault rifles , not hand guns or shot guns but Military Assault rifles .

Not some sinister plan to take all the guns away . Most governments from both sides have had to use this tactic to rule when you have a hostile Senate just to run the country .

So i say again the NRA need to understand that they are part of the problem and should stop there B?s grow up and help solve the problem by either allowing Assault rifles to be banned or take the other thing and amend the 4th to have a exception just for guns and allow the police to do checks and all the police forces to share info for this one thing

If you join the party then you will be able to protect you Freedoms and will gane credibility as a good and not a very dangerous organization run buy crim's and death merchants whom make guns

You can judge a organization buy what it object's to and the NRA have only put forward objection's no solutions so the NRA are no better than the NAZI party witch also used FEAR to push there idea's and bigotry to the common people

Objecting to Universal Health care and Gun control when both ideas will save lives shows the true colour of the organization and it's followers .
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Message 1691611 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 12:15:07 UTC

Obviously you have formed very strong opinions on the subject Glenn and nothing anyone can say will change your mind. I'm sorry that's the case so let's just say we disagree on gun control. I don't mean to antagonize or enrage you, It is a very polarizing issue and it's something neither of us will change our mind on so lets move on.

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Message 1691718 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 16:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 1691510.  

heheheheheClyde there is nothing worse than a woman with a gun when there angry

You mite need to buy a bullet proof vest mate now or be a very god boy now she has the weapon and is a bloody good shot .

Its not really funny, especially as statistically she is more likely to end up the victim of gun violence. (watch Clyde freak out because he doesn't understand what statistically means).

For Women, Gun Violence Often Linked to Domestic Violence

"Just as in previous years, we found the most common weapon men use to murder women is a gun. For homicides in which the murder weapon could be identified, 52 percent of victims were shot and killed with a gun. The most common firearm was a handgun, used in 69 percent of the homicides committed with guns."

Yes, having a gun in the house is a really great idea. (sarcasm) Add to that the fact that statistically more cops or ex-cops are likely to be violent towards their partners...

No, I don't think its funny at all.
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Message 1691726 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 16:13:45 UTC

I do worry about the children, every-where, who always see guns.

I agree. But I worry more about the constant bombardment by Hollywood, Video Games, Television and music all glorifying armed violence as the solution to every problem. Vendetta and vengeance for 'wrongs' done is a common and recurring theme and totally distorts rational behavior.

This is partly where the 'I can't trust the Cops so I'll get a gun and make things right' attitude today comes from.

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Message 1691747 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 16:52:19 UTC - in response to Message 1691718.  

Ess i don't believe you can't see the funny side of Clyde's misses being a better shot than him .
I wonder doe she put your uniform on to clyde or you to much of a nice Jewish boy to think like that . A bit of role playing , only make shore the guns are not loaded mate .
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Message 1691766 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 17:42:52 UTC - in response to Message 1691718.  

For Women, Gun Violence Often Linked to Domestic Violence
"Just as in previous years, we found the most common weapon men use to murder women is a gun. For homicides in which the murder weapon could be identified, 52 percent of victims were shot and killed with a gun. The most common firearm was a handgun, used in 69 percent of the homicides committed with guns."
Yes, having a gun in the house is a really great idea. (sarcasm) Add to that the fact that statistically more cops or ex-cops are likely to be violent towards their partners...
No, I don't think its funny at all.

It's not funny at all. Domestic Violence is a very big problem in all countries in the World.
Now having lethal weapons in your home...
Sometimes kids like my self have played with them.
Luckily the service pistol my father had was not loaded.
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Message 1691794 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 18:35:13 UTC - in response to Message 1691747.  

Ess i don't believe you can't see the funny side of Clyde's misses being a better shot than him .
I wonder doe she put your uniform on to clyde or you to much of a nice Jewish boy to think like that . A bit of role playing , only make shore the guns are not loaded mate .

The problem with guns is that you don't have to be a particularly good shot to hurt someone at close range. A child can kill someone using a gun.

I would never have one in my home. Never.
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Message 1691975 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 3:01:11 UTC

Only in the USA, and terrorist states, does the ease of obtaining a firearm, and the ready availability of firearms, contribute to significanty higher homocide statistics.

Actually when sorted by death per 100,000 population the US ranks 14th, with 10.04 per 100,000. Of those 10.04 firearm deaths 3.5 were homicides and 6.7 were suicide. That terrorist state South Africa had 21.5 deaths by firearm per 100,000 people with 17 being homicide. Tougher laws than the US with 3 times the homicide by firearm rate.

In South Africa, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in South Africa are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, work.

Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in South Africa is 21 years, with some exceptions that may include the fact that the applicant conducts a business, is gainfully employed, a dedicated hunter, a dedicated sports person or a private collector.

Gun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in South Africa must pass a background check which considers criminal, mental, medical, domestic violence, addiction, employment, and previous firearm licence.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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Message 1692022 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 5:01:50 UTC - in response to Message 1691925.  

And yet, throughout the world, kids and youngsters, play video games and watch movies of a violent nature.
Some research shows that playing violent video games may actually cause people to be less prone towards violence in real life.
Only in the USA, and terrorist states, does the ease of obtaining a firearm, and the ready availability of firearms, contribute to significanty higher homocide statistics.
Lots of people play violent video games, and watch violent movies, but couldn't find a gun to save their lives, and probably are safer for it.


I agree 100% with this post a very good one .
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Message 1692049 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 6:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 1691975.  

Actually when sorted by death per 100,000 population the US ranks 14th, with 10.04 per 100,000. Of those 10.04 firearm deaths 3.5 were homicides and 6.7 were suicide. That terrorist state South Africa had 21.5 deaths by firearm per 100,000 people with 17 being homicide. Tougher laws than the US with 3 times the homicide by firearm rate.

In South Africa, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in South Africa are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, work.

Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in South Africa is 21 years, with some exceptions that may include the fact that the applicant conducts a business, is gainfully employed, a dedicated hunter, a dedicated sports person or a private collector.

Gun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in South Africa must pass a background check which considers criminal, mental, medical, domestic violence, addiction, employment, and previous firearm licence.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


From the manifesto of the NRA witch use fear and lie's and misrepresented of quotes like " A arm society is a polite society " but forget about BECAUSE THERE ALL FEAR FULL OF A PERSON LOSING THERE TEMPER or in other words Freedom so long as you shut up and don't excerise your right to free speech because someone might lose there temper .

What a joke .

No solutions only objections witch shows there real motive . More same old same old more death and more profits from those deaths all so a few death merchants can make a few bucks and then laugh at all the suckers that believe there crap .

No credibility at all until they prove what they say and come up with solutions
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Message 1692097 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 9:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 1691794.  

The problem with guns is that you don't have to be a particularly good shot to hurt someone at close range. A child can kill someone using a gun.

I would never have one in my home. Never.

Very true. Especially since so much 'instruction' about how to use one is plastered across the television and places like film posters.

I do have one in the house, a .22LR rifle (for which i have a license of course) and it's kept in a locked strongbox in the back of a cupboard with the ammunition in a separate safe in a different room, as per the regs.

The idea of leaving such a thing just lying about in a drawer horrifies me.
Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1692175 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 14:14:04 UTC - in response to Message 1692097.  
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I do have one in the house, a .22LR rifle (for which i have a license of course) and it's kept in a locked strongbox in the back of a cupboard with the ammunition in a separate safe in a different room, as per the regs.
The idea of leaving such a thing just lying about in a drawer horrifies me.

I have shot a lot with a .22 (5.6 millimeter) Long Rifle when I was about 13, 14 years old.
It is very popular as sporting and training shooting rifle; not least because of the low price and the convenient (weak) recoil. 22LR is used for example in biathlon and in the Swedish Home Guard youth. In hunting context it belongs in Sweden Class 4, meaning it can be used for hunting for crows.
In sporting non metal jacket ammunition is used. For hunting full metal jacket ammunition is used with higher output speeds. There is also a variant with 1.3 mm lead shot, known as "rat buckshot".
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Message 1692197 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 14:48:26 UTC - in response to Message 1692185.  

I do have one in the house, a .22LR rifle (for which i have a license of course) and it's kept in a locked strongbox in the back of a cupboard with the ammunition in a separate safe in a different room, as per the regs.
The idea of leaving such a thing just lying about in a drawer horrifies me.

I have shot a lot with a .22 (5.6 millimeter) Long Rifle when I was about 13, 14 years old.
It is very popular as sporting and training shooting rifle; not least because of the low price and the convenient (weak) recoil. 22LR is used for example in biathlon and in the Swedish Home Guard youth. In hunting context it belongs in Sweden Class 4, meaning it can be used for hunting for crows.
In sporting non metal jacket ammunition is used. For hunting full metal jacket ammunition is used with higher output speeds. There is also a variant with 1.3 mm lead shot, known as "rat buckshot".

Janne...
You have to understand that these types calling for 'Gun Control' against Innocent people:
Are really advocating 'People Control'.
It is the foundation of this belief:
The Ignorant, Unwashed, The Masses, Primitive Peasants, Must Be Controlled by their Superiors (The Left). For their own good, of course.

The US have a weird gun control IMO.
There are countries in World that have more guns per capita then the US.
Sweden:) Canada. Finland has 53 weapons per hundred person!
And it has nothing to do with political orientations...
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Message 1692202 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 15:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 1692200.  

The USA has its own distinctive cultures (yes plural).
A small group of, 'ain't we the greatest, smartest, superior Humans', wish to impose their culture upon everyone else.
These types are nothing new in History.

The US is a big country with many peoples.
For instance, if you compare New York, Washington, Miami, Texas, New Orleans, LA, Minnesota.
Puerto Rico soon to become state 51.
Then its almost like Europe:)
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Message 1692222 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 15:50:33 UTC - in response to Message 1692197.  


The US have a weird gun control IMO.
There are countries in World that have more guns per capita then the US.
Sweden:) Canada. Finland has 53 weapons per hundred person!
And it has nothing to do with political orientations...

I would say you have to put the problem down to the weird gun control in the US. The country has a ridiculous amount of shootings compared to other western countries.

If it isn't the gun laws, then there must be something wrong with Americans and they are a particularly murderous and violent people. I find that hard to believe and would rather think the problem is with the gun laws.
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The US have a weird gun control IMO.
There are countries in World that have more guns per capita then the US.
Sweden:) Canada. Finland has 53 weapons per hundred person!
And it has nothing to do with political orientations...

I would say you have to put the problem down to the weird gun control in the US. The country has a ridiculous amount of shootings compared to other western countries.

If it isn't the gun laws, then there must be something wrong with Americans and they are a particularly murderous and violent people. I find that hard to believe and would rather think the problem is with the gun laws.

Most of the world, until recently, has had far more censorship of violence on TV and movies than the USA, especially for children's programming. Other countries also don't allow corporal punishment of children. Perhaps it isn't gun laws. Of course the fact that certified crazies are allowed to roam the streets here may account for some fraction of that.
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Message 1692228 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 16:05:03 UTC - in response to Message 1692227.  


The US have a weird gun control IMO.
There are countries in World that have more guns per capita then the US.
Sweden:) Canada. Finland has 53 weapons per hundred person!
And it has nothing to do with political orientations...

I would say you have to put the problem down to the weird gun control in the US. The country has a ridiculous amount of shootings compared to other western countries.

If it isn't the gun laws, then there must be something wrong with Americans and they are a particularly murderous and violent people. I find that hard to believe and would rather think the problem is with the gun laws.

Most of the world, until recently, has had far more censorship of violence on TV and movies than the USA, especially for children's programming. Other countries also don't allow corporal punishment of children. Perhaps it isn't gun laws. Of course the fact that certified crazies are allowed to roam the streets here may account for some fraction of that.

So you are still suggesting that Americans are more violent that other people?
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Message 1692234 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 16:15:25 UTC - in response to Message 1692228.  

So you are still suggesting that Americans are more violent that other people?

Americans:)
Anyway its silly to think a nation is more violent than another.
Well perhaps the balcan states but that is only my personal reflection.
Most of the illegal weapons here comes from there.
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Message 1692240 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 16:30:17 UTC

So you are still suggesting that Americans are more violent that other people?


We train 'em that way from an early age...

The Problem: Youth Violence

According to the United States Department of Justice ("DOJ"), law enforcement agencies arrested approximately 2.8 million juveniles in 1997. Of that number, 2,500 were arrested for murder and 121,000 for other violent crimes. Juveniles accounted for 19% of all arrests, 14% of murder arrests, and 17% of all violent crime arrests.

According to DOJ, the number of juvenile violent crime arrests in 1997 exceeded the 1988 level by 49%.

According to a recent survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 5.9% of high school students carried a gun in the 30 days prior to the survey. Eighteen percent of high school students now carry a knife, razor, firearm, or other weapon on a regular basis, and 9% of them take a weapon to school.

A Principal Cause: Media Violence

More at:http://www.indiana.edu/~cspc/ressenate.htm

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A Principal Cause: Media Violence
More at:http://www.indiana.edu/~cspc/ressenate.htm

What? Are bad taste dangerous?
So why do Hollywood and all other entertainment companies export this crap?
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