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Message 1690971 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 20:41:19 UTC

Well....
The hardware is willing but the drivers are weak.....the rig is up and running.

Having a hair pulling time getting the nv drivers reinstalled properly.
Some niggling little thingy that is getting tangled.
I went through this years ago as well.
Have gone through a dozen attempts in and out of safe mode, deleted and uninstalled this and that.

Right now I am letting Winders take a whack at installing the drivers and then I'll try to do a clean install with the nv installer over them.

Meowing for luck.
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Message 1690987 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 21:37:17 UTC

Meowgrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Have to take a break from it before I run out of hair to pull out....LOL.

Just cannot get the nv drivers to install correctly.
Gonna take a nice hot bath, relax, go to Lori's for lasagne and a movie or two, and come back to it again later tonight or tomorrow.

I believe I am going to have to do a more extensive manual removal of all existing nv files, folders, drivers, and all references to them.

If I can get all existing nv thingys removed, then maybe the installer will work properly.

For now, it is crunching, but on CPU only.
At least that beats a dead rig.

Meow for now.
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Message 1690994 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 22:00:42 UTC - in response to Message 1690987.  

Just might be worth double-checking that you have the right chipset drivers for the replacement motherboard, updated if necessary. I had a motherboard that wouldn't upgrade from GTX 470 to GTX 750 Ti (which needed a newer driver) until after I'd done that.
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Message 1690995 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 22:02:59 UTC - in response to Message 1690994.  

Just might be worth double-checking that you have the right chipset drivers for the replacement motherboard, updated if necessary. I had a motherboard that wouldn't upgrade from GTX 470 to GTX 750 Ti (which needed a newer driver) until after I'd done that.

Thanx, Richard....
That thought actually crossed my mind whilst I was relaxing in the tub.
I shall do that!
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Message 1691000 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 22:35:51 UTC
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And that did not work either.

The ol' kitty brain is rolling around in the wayback machine to try to remember what contortions I had to go through the last time I encountered this.

I am now thinking that what I had to do is load up a really old GPU, which then allowed me to load a really old driver sucessfully, and then upgrade the driver from there.

And maybe a run of Driver Sweeper?

Ohmyachingmeow.
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Message 1691023 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 23:46:02 UTC - in response to Message 1691000.  

Hard to say what low level driver(s) could be causing you pain.

Tried to swap a hdd to a different rig years ago. Pentium something or another. Got it to work, but felt it was never 100% and didn't trust it. Decided a clean install and data copy over was going to be the easier route.

I imagine a newer set-up would be even less cooperative.


Here's wishing you more luck!
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Message 1692020 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 4:55:44 UTC

Well Mark. You are doing better than my one and only rig. I hope it is not taking a dirt nap. No response at all. Going to take it to a computer shop. Then see what they say. Hope I still have some magic smoke left.

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Message 1692076 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 8:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 1692020.  

Well Mark. You are doing better than my one and only rig. I hope it is not taking a dirt nap. No response at all. Going to take it to a computer shop. Then see what they say. Hope I still have some magic smoke left.

Best of luck with your magic smoke.
My wayward rig is crunching GPU only, did not get the nv driver problem sorted yet, but no time to work on it much more until this weekend again. Long hours at work.
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Message 1692582 - Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 10:45:05 UTC - in response to Message 1691023.  
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Hard to say what low level driver(s) could be causing you pain.

Set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 (environment variable, when you're at it, can also add devmgr_show_details=1), so you can see all not anymore present devices in the device manager and uninstall all of them (and also all other ones with problems, i.e. exclamation marks or so). Also uninstall all other software, that came with any drivers. Reboot and than try to install new drivers, not before.

But a clean Windows installation might be the easier and faster way on a crunching only machine (backup BOINC data dir if you want to).
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Message 1692791 - Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 20:02:31 UTC

I'm trying to remember.. but I think I've gone through something similar to this before with the board swap. It is never going to be perfect without doing a clean install, but you can generally get it pretty stable if you reset the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) and basically tell it to forget everything it ever knew about hardware and drivers and start over with what it can see/detect now. I don't remember the full details of how to do it or what all is involved, but I believe sysprep was part of it.

As far as the board that gave up the ghost.. check it for bulged/oozing caps. *shrug* I've had to replace caps before, and was able to keep on crunching for another year+ afterward. It's worth a shot, and is an idea at least. If that ends up being the issue, you can put that board back in and maybe even have picture this time and continue crunching. Never know.
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Message 1692980 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 7:23:11 UTC

Thank you very much for all the advice and suggestions, everybody.
Working too much OT to try anything until hopefully this weekend.

The last things I did so far were to do a repair install from the original CD, and then manually download and install service pack 3.
Have not been able to try anything else since that.

Stay tuned.................
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Message 1694841 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 12:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 1692791.  

As far as the board that gave up the ghost.. check it for bulged/oozing caps. *shrug* I've had to replace caps before, and was able to keep on crunching for another year+ afterward. It's worth a shot, and is an idea at least. If that ends up being the issue, you can put that board back in and maybe even have picture this time and continue crunching. Never know.


Just echoing Cosmic_Ocean's comment -- any rigs with MoBos (or any electronics, for that matter) dating from 2000 to 2008 may very likely have the "capacitor plague". It's always worth putting a few cents into the board to replace the electrolytics, just in case.

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Message 1696438 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 13:37:04 UTC
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Well....good news for wingys!

This morning I was finally able, through constant trying or just dumb luck, to get the video drivers loaded on the rig and crunching has commenced with the GPUs back in action.

And just in the nick of time....now crunching GPU WUs due on July 2nd.
Should be able to crunch them all up and report them in time to meet the deadlines......assuming the rig stays stable and I don't run into any further problems.

Hope I have that one behind me for a while before the next major debacle....LOL.
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Message 1696445 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 14:01:29 UTC - in response to Message 1696438.  

congratulations and good going Mark!!
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Message 1696446 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 14:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 1696438.  

Really feels good when it works, doesn't it?

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Message 1696448 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 14:05:53 UTC

Purrrrfect :-)
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Message 1696451 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 14:14:22 UTC

Yes, the kitties are very happy!

And to tell you the truth, I am not sure exactly what did the trick.
I did patch back in the VGA splitter that I had bypassed during my troubleshooting of the original failed mobo. I used to have to do that to fool the rigs into thinking that they were always attached to a real monitor when loading old NV drivers even though they are going through a KVM. I thought the newer drivers had gotten past that bit.

Then I went into safe mode and went through the same process I had already tried dozens of times in the last couple of weeks. This time it took.

Dunno.
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Message 1696475 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 15:37:08 UTC - in response to Message 1696451.  

Dunno.

As long as you're back on the air, that's what matters. I must find the (round) tuits to look at one of my home servers that died last month. It's a bit old in the tooth (Core2Quad) and worth less than 2,000 RAC but it is my disk server (tho' I do have a NAS as backup to it).
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Message 1696506 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 17:42:46 UTC

So far, so good.
It's now GPU crunching on tasks due 7/29 and beyond, so even if it acts up again, I'll not have tasks missing deadline anytime soon.

Knock on wood, and pass the kibble to the kitties for helping me sort it......
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Message 1696522 - Posted: 28 Jun 2015, 18:41:42 UTC

And BTW....
I did finally take a few minutes to look over the deceased mobo.
I found no less than 9 caps showing signs of 'bulging capacitor syndrome'.
None had ruptured, and none had leaked anything, but could well be why it got less stable as time went on and finally gave up the ghost.

I'll consider replacing them if I have another mobo fail and need a replacement.
And since I have a number of similar vintage mobos still in service, I may need to.
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