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Message 1685249 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 18:53:15 UTC

does any one know what is the frequency of a quantum loop gravity string ? cant theories be united ! commonality ? and if i was an alien communicating using light surely i would be doing it in the same way we use light now eg fiber optics ? a closed system ! so no one can see what we are communicating ! just a thought

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Message 1685291 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 20:11:06 UTC - in response to Message 1685249.  
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does any one know what is the frequency of a quantum loop gravity string ? cant theories be united ! commonality ? and if i was an alien communicating using light surely i would be doing it in the same way we use light now eg fiber optics ? a closed system ! so no one can see what we are communicating ! just a thought

It's two theories that you mention that is describing the same thing.
Quantum Gravity in under five minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ShR3Zx0y2k
Hilarious Reverse Physics Debate: String Theory vs Loop Quantum Gravity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEr038WOKFI

To be able to send any message and be certain that nobody read the message you need a quantum computer.
That is for all different kind of techniques to send and recive a message.
Experimental quantum computers already exists but so far they only can do simple factorizing that every one can do without computers.
Like 15 factorize to 5 * 3.
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Message 1685313 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 21:01:52 UTC

Who knows what the future will bring? Maybe someone down the line will figure out how to use quantum entanglement to communicate over vast distances with no time elapsed. It is hopefully most likely that what is not known in quantum mechanics far exceeds what is known. Unfortunately I won't be around to see such a brave new future.
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Message 1685331 - Posted: 28 May 2015, 22:20:39 UTC
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Superluminal communication is the hypothetical process by which one might send information at faster-than-light (FTL) speeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication
Sounds like Sci Fi to me but then again real science often start with Sci Fi.

btw the wiki link also links to this wiki link:)
SETI Institute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI_Institute
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Message 1686126 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 21:12:00 UTC
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The PBS Documentary by NOVA 'The Fabric of The Cosmos: Quantum Leap' describes how quantum entanglement of atoms that are separated at great distances will copy each other in real-time.

http://www.thirteen.org/programs/nova/the-fabric-of-the-cosmos-quantum-leap/

We could send and relay a series of Earth messages broadcasted in deep space using an array of cube satellites that will be stationed at distances of light years. There will be no latency in receiving intergalactic messages for real-time extraterrestrial communication.
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Message 1686149 - Posted: 30 May 2015, 23:15:07 UTC - in response to Message 1686126.  

We make clone satellite cubes that have the quantum entangled atoms. The Terrestrial Group satellites stay at a research station on Earth and the Space Group satellites are travelling in deep space. When we make changes to the Terrestrial Group satellites on Earth in the research communication laboratory the 'message' will be duplicated on-board the Space Group in deep space.
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Message 1686313 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 15:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 1686126.  

Perhaps forming words and images using quantum entanglement for interstellar communication is possible today. IBM formed nanoscale words with 35 xenon atoms on a copper substrate. Experiment from November 11, 1989.



source: http://www.nano.gov/nanotech-101/what/working-nanoscale
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Message 1686316 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 16:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 1686313.  

This image from Pixar is one example of how to use the nanoscale image when converted to output to a Pin Art grid using aluminum and heat resistant glass.


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Message 1686326 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 17:01:36 UTC

My theory is that we will soon develop faster than light speed / instantaneous communication capabilities using Quantum entanglement, thereby making most other forms of long distance communication obsolete.

That means we will have advanced from smoke signals to entanglement communications
in only a few hundred years

Terrestrial civilizations will most likely make the same rapid discoveries.
So only during those few years when they are still communicating using radio waves (before they change to entanglement communications) will we be able to detect their radio wave signals.

This could then explain why we haven't found them yet.

I also wonder if entangled particles are able to be entangled over large distances because they are linked to each other through another dimension where distance almost / does not exist.
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Message 1686343 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 18:14:25 UTC - in response to Message 1686326.  

Welcome to the boards Vern!
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Message 1686352 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 18:55:51 UTC - in response to Message 1686326.  
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I also wonder if entangled particles are able to be entangled over large distances because they are linked to each other through another dimension where distance almost / does not exist.

I also wonder that:)
It's seems like particles are connected to each other where there is no distance. Like they exist in dimension zero.
Dimension zero already exist in our universe but is hard to understand.
On the other hand 2D dimension also exist but we don't live there either.
Now this is not something new. Some scientist suggest that we live in a 2D world like in a hologram, Leonard Susskind thinking.
According to him the 3D World is nothing but an illusion.

But a zero dimension. Seems very overcrowded to me.
No space at all:)
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Message 1686538 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 10:09:52 UTC
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Something I've learned from my Monographs is that we are already subconsciously communicating through spacetime or the aether, as it is also called. (consisting of helium 3)
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Message 1686575 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 12:33:21 UTC - in response to Message 1686538.  
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Something I've learned from my Monographs is that we are already subconsciously communicating through spacetime or the aether, as it is also called. (consisting of helium 3)

Greek thought ether was this.
Ether (atmosphere) is the force that separates the space from the blue sky. He is the son of Nyx (Night) and Erebos (dark). His sister is Hemera, the today goddess. Every evening draws Nyx a cloak of darkness over the Ether and in the morning pulling his sister Hemera away.
Just Ether stands between our world and the black abyss of Tartarus. He guards the border between these two worlds ordered by Zeus.

Thoughts travel fast.
I can for instance Think of places I have been to in an instance.
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Message 1687110 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 23:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 1686352.  

In addition to a dimension linking particles I figure that some particles in an atom are located in several additional dimensions;
(fifth / sixth / seventh, dimension etc)
This would be where all that dark mater and dark energy is hiding.

I hope we will figure this out some day, Ods are that we will wipe ourselves out before that time.
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Message 1687204 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 5:39:18 UTC - in response to Message 1687110.  

In addition to a dimension linking particles I figure that some particles in an atom are located in several additional dimensions;
(fifth / sixth / seventh, dimension etc)
This would be where all that dark mater and dark energy is hiding.

I hope we will figure this out some day, Ods are that we will wipe ourselves out before that time.


Agreed. Welcome to the project, Vern.
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Message 1687511 - Posted: 4 Jun 2015, 0:27:13 UTC - in response to Message 1687110.  

In addition to a dimension linking particles I figure that some particles in an atom are located in several additional dimensions;
(fifth / sixth / seventh, dimension etc)
This would be where all that dark mater and dark energy is hiding.

I hope we will figure this out some day, Ods are that we will wipe ourselves out before that time.

Or... There is energy 'hidden' in their vibrations that have a parallel explanation as 'other dimensions', but that are not actual 'other dimensions' in some other 'space'...

All our 'dark energy/mass' could just be that our space is vastly wobbly but only as seen at small dimensions... We are all a quiver like an infinity of wobbly jelly!


And welcome to the forums!

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Message 1687682 - Posted: 4 Jun 2015, 11:59:10 UTC

We are all a quiver like an infinity of wobbly jelly!

It's a side effect from using Linux Martin :-)))
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There was a cave in the "Adventure" game I played in the Eighties where you found yourself in a labyrinth of small wobbly wormholes all different and you had to choose the right one to go ahead. This was described also in the book "The soul of a new machine" by Tracy Kidder, which I translated in Italian for Mondadori. A good book.
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Message 1687850 - Posted: 4 Jun 2015, 21:29:08 UTC - in response to Message 1687744.  

There was a cave in the "Adventure" game I played in the Eighties where you found yourself in a labyrinth of small wobbly wormholes all different and you had to choose the right one to go ahead. This was described also in the book "The soul of a new machine" by Tracy Kidder, which I translated in Italian for Mondadori. A good book.
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The Soul of a New Machine is a non-fiction book written by Tracy Kidder and published in 1981. It chronicles the experiences of a computer engineering team racing to design a next-generation computer at a blistering pace under tremendous pressure. The machine was launched in 1980 as the Data General Eclipse MV/8000.
Their project, code-named "Fountainhead", is to give Data General a machine to compete with the VAX computer from Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), which is starting to take over the new 32-bit minicomputer market.

KTH (Swedish MIT)) in Stockholm used VAX computers at that time.
The server room was called "Vax Kabinettet" The Wax Museum:)
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Message 1687858 - Posted: 4 Jun 2015, 21:44:58 UTC

Quantum entanglement can be used for communication, but..

If I understand correctly the qubits, photons or what ever entangled particles you are using must be generated simultaneously or entangled locally. Then the other one of a pair is transported to the place you want to communicate with. And after that the observation of either of the two will make the other one to collapse to the same state. The state need not be zero or one but anything |ax+yi| = 1, i.e. a complex number with a length of one.

So the communication is faster than light, but the transportation before the communication may take some time.
To overcome Heisenbergs:
"You can't always get what you want / but if you try sometimes you just might find / you get what you need." -- Rolling Stones
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