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Message 1688629 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 18:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 1688622.  

"He was not quite sure in his head where he was"

True of any politician :-)
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Message 1689141 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 10:42:35 UTC - in response to Message 1688543.  

Could this be the reason why Labour got stomped on?

No wonder Labour lost

1.Comic claims sweatshirts are 'screen printed and produced in the UK'
2.In fact label stitched into lining reveals they are made in Bangladesh


Those two statements are not mutually exclusive.
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Message 1694018 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 17:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1693991.  
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A fact is that almost every country in the world now has got richer than ever.
But in the same time we cannot afford things anymore like health care, eduction, housing and a long list...

I Think I will have a pint...
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Message 1694162 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 4:36:05 UTC

I must say what was the point of marching when you just had a election and voted for Austerity ??

Finally figured out the Tory's (liberal, Republicans ) caused the problems and now your all going to get clobber'd in your hip pocket .

Same thing happen'd here only a few weeks after DUMB DUMB Tony Abbott and his Liberal Party won there election and look where that has lead us .

So for all you Dumb asses THEN SAME PEOPLE THAT HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEMS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS ARE STILL GOVERNING

The front bench of Abbott's government is the same ones that where there when John Howard was in 1996 and the same goes for all the other country's .

These are the same people that cause the escalating problems in the middle east , the GFC and the lack of ideas to solve the problems .

What a great future our youth have when they have such great mentors with such great morals and ideas
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Message 1698507 - Posted: 4 Jul 2015, 19:19:13 UTC

Trickle Down Reaganomics?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33393480
Inheritance tax to be scrapped

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Message 1709626 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 6:12:59 UTC
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Potential long-term career opportunities opening up in the UK.

Police have been refusing to investigate reported attemped burglaries at odd-numbered homes, it has emerged.

The scheme, trialled by Leicestershire police, is now being considered in at least five other counties after it was said to have had no impact on crime rates or public satisfaction.

The three-month, money-saving pilot was designed to assess the effectiveness of how the force deploys forensic officers to potential crime scenes.


Only basic numeracy required.
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Message 1709704 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 12:57:42 UTC - in response to Message 1709626.  

Be nice if they added to that - refuse to stop odd numbered vehicles :-)
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Message 1709714 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 13:33:07 UTC - in response to Message 1709626.  

To spare myself a battle of wits with an unarmed countryman you know who you are ;-) and any others who may stray this way, let me clear up some confusion re my previous post.

One message being put out by the police to criminal elements, is: "stay out of prison - burgle odd numbered houses"

Distinguishing such numbers is a very basic numeracy skill. I stand by that Sir :-) whatever your feelings on the complexity of such a task. And with the way street numbering works - in most cases once you've identified one - all that needs to be worked out afterwards, is to not cross the road.
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Message 1715354 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 16:15:55 UTC

I have a 100 hour working week spread over 3 jobs at present - so if I have opted for responding to this in the wrong thread - my apologies.

1. No houses, marriage, kids, through choice or forced into it? Explain and why.

You sir, put those forward to de-legitimise and/or pour scorn over the present ideals and voting trends of the young. Granted - the majority of the peer group I originate from have been suitably brainwashed not to generate cold sweats on conservative brows, but they make up only a fraction. So why not try something new for once? :-) Put aside any dearly-held preferences to hide ignorance behind condescending ridicule for a moment, and the answers should come easy to you. In case they do not...

All three depend on the antecedent: security of employment – marriage/civil partnerships perhaps to a lesser degree.

Zero hour contracts and huge student debts do not impress mortgage lenders. Nor does holding down three part-time jobs. That assumes you even managed to join the workforce in the last 5 years without nepotism and/or an “old boy's network” to call upon.

Renting to save towards a deposit for a house - when rent soaks up at least 40 percent of household income – is laughable. Those that want to feel young whilst raising kids would have to start their family in these circumstances, and kiss goodbye to home ownership possibly forever. Living at home with parents can help, but only if they own their own home. What of those who were scrap-heaped in the 80's and might still be renting? If their kids move back in, it screws up the tenancy and is rapidly followed by a hike in rental charges. All played against an array of background policies which can only be described as gerrymandering through economic cleansing.

Think De Beers and diamonds and how they keep prices falsely high – then apply that, in particular, to the rental sector in today's political climate in the UK – where: Buying up a large number of properties and not releasing them (either for sale or rent) is rewarded with tax breaks - and boosts income from properties that are rented - due to falsified low supply meeting legitimate high demand.

The same business model forces house prices up - requiring larger deposits – thereby shutting first time buyers out of the market for longer if not forever. So no. The footholds that once were there and groomed the young to “vote Tory” in their later years, have largely gone. Replace them and maybe, just maybe they'll have a bat's chance in hell of turning things around.

As it is, those managing to make it onto the property ladder are doing so by clubbing together with friends, in much the same way as happened in the rental sector. It's precarious nature is leading to some very different outlooks on marriage and children. How that will scan decades from now is anybody's guess.

2. Groomed for war? What sort of war? Political, economic. military?

The drums of the western war machine are beating louder than they have done since the run up to the first big one – and they're tenderising the masses with divisive propaganda with every beat. The pattern is unmistakeable, and when old men make war – it's the young that are sent to die in them.

My generation includes possibly some of the most marginalised people in the UK since the beginning of the last century. They are beginning to suspect that society is being prepared to see them sent into battle by “those that try to run this country” - whose aim, they perceive, is ultimately to rid themselves of a large proportion of this country's “problem youth” in the most expedient cost-effective method their policies will allow for. The precedent is there. The First World War is just one example. Having right on anyone's side had little to do with anything in the build up to that. Just senseless militarism and depraved generals playing in sandpits and running amok. Followed by avaricious politicians laying the paving stones to legitimise the next big one – and thereby securing the military machine for future generations to be thinned out again and again.

Not one young man, on either side, knew that at the time. How different the world would be now, if they had.

The peer group I came from are lapping up western media propaganda, just as they did then. They unquestioningly believe in their absolute right to privelege and accept the demonisation of their fellow youth as deserved. Many will volunteer and die for Queen/King, country, military machine and conservative “principles” at the first opportunity. Those that have not even remotely prospered under them, and have rumbled the game afoot, may not. Many of those are lapping up other, counter propaganda and some have already acted on it. Try conscripting any and they may feel there is nothing for them to lose by sinking to the level they are regularly portrayed at by the establishment, and instead make war and die on the soil that gave up on them rather than in a land they have no quarrel with. They don't want that - only a chance at building a life where less is stacked against them than at present and vilification of them ends. Add into the mix, groups, marginalised due to their race, or demonised due to their religion, whose young people look at their elders in angry bewilderment and ask, rightly or wrongly: “how could you have accepted this for so long? Why did you not change it?” Then factor in the not insignificant matter of having the most connected group of young people there has ever been in human history.

You said “it ought to be worrying those that try to run this country”. I say that lacks prescience. Look at who runs this country (and others for that matter) and then look at who runs them. If the grooming I have mentioned is what is happening, I'm not convinced there has been any miscalculation. If there has been, then it is the result of some particularly gormless politicians, and their undoubted skills in that arena is precisely what their puppet/pay masters were counting on, and bought them for.

If anyone is relying on today's young to turn their backs on their principles and “vote Tory” at any point in their lives - without serious policy changes, they're up the proverbial creek.

Having expressed such strong feelings I think Mr Kipper should be given the opportunity to explain those thoughts in more detail.

Recent circumstances have put me in something of an unusual position. I've had my eyes opened to truths I was not born to know and never meant to discover. My summation is based on observations stemming from that, not, as you put it, on any feelings. The latter are busy with other matters at present.
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Message 1715843 - Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 11:13:38 UTC

The drums of the western war machine are beating louder than they have done since the run up to the first big one – and they're tenderising the masses with divisive propaganda with every beat. The pattern is unmistakeable, and when old men make war – it's the young that are sent to die in them.

You'd be right 50 years ago. Now? Not so much. Mass war is a thing of the past and there is absolutely no evidence to indicate that the Western military's will revert back to mass war any time soon.

My generation includes possibly some of the most marginalised people in the UK since the beginning of the last century. They are beginning to suspect that society is being prepared to see them sent into battle by “those that try to run this country” - whose aim, they perceive, is ultimately to rid themselves of a large proportion of this country's “problem youth” in the most expedient cost-effective method their policies will allow for. The precedent is there. The First World War is just one example. Having right on anyone's side had little to do with anything in the build up to that. Just senseless militarism and depraved generals playing in sandpits and running amok. Followed by avaricious politicians laying the paving stones to legitimise the next big one – and thereby securing the military machine for future generations to be thinned out again and again.

You got to be joking. As a way of population control war is one of the least effective methods, especially today. Modern conflict kills what? A few hundred troops? The US had the most casualties in Iraq with 4000 deaths.

You mention World War 1 as a nice example of mass casualties created in senseless battle. Okay, that is true. But, aside from WW1 can you think of one other war where soldiers got massacred on such a scale in such a senseless battle? You can't because in terms of the way war was fought, the first world war is a bit of an anomaly. And it is unlikely that the conditions that would allow for another WW1 type of conflict will occur any time soon.
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Message 1716393 - Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 8:04:01 UTC - in response to Message 1715843.  
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You'd be right 50 years ago. Now? Not so much. Mass war is a thing of the past and there is absolutely no evidence to indicate that the Western military's will revert back to mass war any time soon.

Your confidence is comforting :-) I will be sure to pass your view on to those voicing their concerns.

You got to be joking.

Allow me to provide a little emphasis to the post you are so ready to ridicule :-)

Is this better?

"They are beginning to suspect" and "...whose aim, they perceive”

Perhaps your country and its people are blessed with less division and unease than many in the UK are experiencing at the moment, and so are less prone to worry about things they have no control over? Or perhaps I am spending more time listening to people who have family connections to the countries we butcher with our foreign policies, than you yourself do at present. I readily admit that this time last year I had a very blinkered perspective on many things. I am finding the transition to recognising the validity and concerns of other perspectives enlightening. If that is cause for amusement here, fair enough :-)

As a way of population control war is one of the least effective methods, especially today.

Between the end of the second world war and the year 2000 - I believe the figure for deaths from wars stood at around 51 million. That they are not occurring on our doorstep does not lessen the human impact.

Modern conflict kills what? A few hundred troops? The US had the most casualties in Iraq with 4000 deaths.

Are you saying the Iraqi's lost less troops than the Americans? Do civilian deaths that result from war not count - or do they only count if they occur on western soil?

You mention World War 1 as a nice example of mass casualties created in senseless battle. Okay, that is true.

It was not my only purpose. Perhaps I did not make it clear - I was very tired at the time I made the post :-) I additionally intended to isolate for consideration, the impact that one small, seemingly insignificant event (in that instance - the assassination of a little known arch duke) could have at a time of increasingly militarization. Given the tinderbox the world is in today, another small, seemingly insignificant spark, might be all it takes to set of a chain reaction of madness.

But, aside from WW1 can you think of one other war where soldiers got massacred on such a scale in such a senseless battle? You can't because in terms of the way war was fought, the first world war is a bit of an anomaly. And it is unlikely that the conditions that would allow for another WW1 type of conflict will occur any time soon.

I would agree - if I was focussing as single mindedly on western troops as yourself. I'm not. Nor am I ignoring the impact of what we so aseptically refer to as "collateral damage" - because war is not fought on tidy battlefields devoid of civilians - and smart weapons are only as smart as the people deploying them and then only after they've been really dumbed down by those ordering their deployment.

Do I trust politicians and their military advisors not to repeat mistakes made some hundred years ago? I try to - but not everyone my age does. Some firmly believe that until western nations are reminded of what it is to experience the same cost to life, limb, property, and infrastructure as that which they cause, either directly or by arming others, they will not stop their warmongering.

And what of lessons learned seventy years ago? Inflammatory messages such as that made by - for example, Sid Miller - and in an arena such as facebook - just doesn't go away, even if it is subsequently deleted. I will not post the image, because it is utterly distasteful in so many respects - but if you are not aware of it - it is featured here in this link.

You "know", and I "know", that that would never happen, don't we? :-) But does everybody "know" that?
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Message 1716415 - Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 10:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 1716393.  

You got to be joking.

Allow me to provide a little emphasis to the post you are so ready to ridicule :-)

Is this better?

"They are beginning to suspect" and "...whose aim, they perceive”

Perhaps your country and its people are blessed with less division and unease than many in the UK are experiencing at the moment, and so are less prone to worry about things they have no control over? Or perhaps I am spending more time listening to people who have family connections to the countries we butcher with our foreign policies, than you yourself do at present. I readily admit that this time last year I had a very blinkered perspective on many things. I am finding the transition to recognising the validity and concerns of other perspectives enlightening. If that is cause for amusement here, fair enough :-)

If you rip sentences apart and thus ignore their context, yeah it might seem I'm ridiculing your entire post. In reality, I was merely ridiculing your claim that the people in power view war as an efficient and cost effective tool for population control. And excuse me for sounding a little harsh, but that is a ridiculous claim.

As a way of population control war is one of the least effective methods, especially today.

Between the end of the second world war and the year 2000 - I believe the figure for deaths from wars stood at around 51 million. That they are not occurring on our doorstep does not lessen the human impact.

Which I've never said wasn't the case. My point stands that as a way of population control, a claim you made, war is an ineffective policy. Especially if these deaths all occur in other countries and affect other populations.

Are you saying the Iraqi's lost less troops than the Americans? Do civilian deaths that result from war not count - or do they only count if they occur on western soil?

If you are talking about Western governments using war as a population control policy for their own population, then yes, we do not count Iraqi civilians. They aren't part of the Western population.

I additionally intended to isolate for consideration, the impact that one small, seemingly insignificant event (in that instance - the assassination of a little known arch duke) could have at a time of increasingly militarization. Given the tinderbox the world is in today, another small, seemingly insignificant spark, might be all it takes to set of a chain reaction of madness.

Well sure, I'm not disputing that. However, the brutality and the mass casualties that made WW1 infamous are the result of the methods with which it was fought, not the fact that it was fought. Had WW1 been fought 10-20 years later, it would have looked very different, and the casualty figures would have been very different as well. If in todays world, the West starts to fight among itself, we would again see a completely different scale of conflict. Professional armies, the extensive use of 'smart' weapons and information technology would limit the size and length of the conflict as well as the casualties.

I would agree - if I was focussing as single mindedly on western troops as yourself. I'm not. Nor am I ignoring the impact of what we so aseptically refer to as "collateral damage" - because war is not fought on tidy battlefields devoid of civilians - and smart weapons are only as smart as the people deploying them and then only after they've been really dumbed down by those ordering their deployment.

Honestly the same largely applies to non Western armies. Sure, they have less smart weapons and rely more on older equipment, but that is thanks to budget and state capacity constraints. They can't fight a large scale war because they don't have the money, nor the organizational capability to do so. Hell, for most even small scale conflicts are stretching the limits of what they can do.

That isn't necessarily a good thing, as it means the monopoly of violence is not in the hands of those states, and we can find terrorist organizations operating in those areas. Think IS or Boko Haram. While impotent, they can be disruptive enough to cause widespread destabilization in the region they operate, not to mention the thousands of people they end up murdering. That said, these are limited to regional conflicts, not World Wars and most certainly not on the size and scale of WW1 in terms of casualties.

You "know", and I "know", that that would never happen, don't we? :-) But does everybody "know" that?

I'm not sure if people who post stupid memes like that actually want to nuke the Middle East. If anything, I think it shows their impotence, and how they seek to cover their impotence with chest pounding and 'bragging'. I also think it shows how many people think with their gut instead of their brain. And the internet, in particular things like Twitter and Facebook, have made it extremely easy to also speak with your gut. You just throw every stupid thought you have onto the web and share it with thousands of people, whereas in the past if you wanted to share your thought with thousands of people, you had to write to a paper or appear on tv. The hurdles that created ensured that people thought about what they wanted to say before saying it.
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Message 1716864 - Posted: 22 Aug 2015, 9:35:40 UTC

Ah the good old conservative war on the poor. Why conservatives still exist as a political force is a damning indication of the state of our species.
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Message 1718142 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 13:30:38 UTC - in response to Message 1718051.  

Another world recession looming?

China

Just now finding this out? So? China had a bubble. It burst. Everyone is in a panic and getting splattered. Soon enough most of hem will see they only were hit by a few drops. A couple though may have been drenched. Welcome to the world markets.
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Message 1718404 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 3:58:21 UTC
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You keep letting him go?
http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/news/13526358.Bank_robber_left_empty_handed_after_cashier_told_him_to_f____off/?ref=ar
This was the 50th time Thompson had been before the courts, mostly for petty crimes apart from another armed robbery on the Prince of Wales in Cheam in 1997.

I get the feeling crime pays over there. That must be your five year future.
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Message 1718476 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 7:16:17 UTC - in response to Message 1718404.  

You keep letting him go?
http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/news/13526358.Bank_robber_left_empty_handed_after_cashier_told_him_to_f____off/?ref=ar
This was the 50th time Thompson had been before the courts, mostly for petty crimes apart from another armed robbery on the Prince of Wales in Cheam in 1997.

I get the feeling crime pays over there. That must be your five year future.

All he does are petty crimes. Why would you throw someone like that in jail forever?
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Message 1718503 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 8:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 1718500.  
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All he does are petty crimes. Why would you throw someone like that in jail forever?

So you would consider an armed robbery as a petty crime would you? Right, tell you what I'll do, I'll write to the Judge whom I assume must be on the South London Circuit, and ask them to ensure that after his current 9 year jail term, he is deported to the Netherlands, at age 64, where by the sound of it, he will be welcomed as just a misguided wayward person.

Armed with what? A fake gun or a fake bomb? And he stole not even 4000 pounds. You think someone like that should be stuck in jail for more than 7,5 years, which is the sentence they gave him? To me that sounds proportional.

Or do you think we should introduce the three strikes system, which so obviously worked wonders in the US?
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