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Message 1686315 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 16:10:17 UTC
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I just got a SETI PM!
Since when did fish have passports?
And don't be so bloody stupid. The tags would have to be in the human bodies, else anyone could carry anyones passport as long as they looked like them.
Usual weekend drinking session I see ......

No they don't have passports.
But they do have RFID tags....
Legal requirements from the EU for better traceability of food industry is probably only a matter of time. It is in the industry's own interest to keep up with developments - and preferably stay one step ahead. Better traceability need not be seen as a cost but can actually contribute to higher profitability. It shows the pilot eTrace, an RFID test in the fisheries sector with GS1's global standard.

EPCIS is a GS1 standard that enables trading partners to share information about the physical movement and status of products as they travel throughout the supply chain – from business to business and ultimately to consumers.
http://www.gs1.org/epcis

Change the word product to human you silly poster.
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Message 1686323 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 16:45:29 UTC - in response to Message 1686315.  

The same RFID process is widely used for domestic pets - mostly dogs - in the UK, where it's called 'chipping'. Responsible owners have a passive RFID chip injected into a loose fold of their pet's skin, and the ID number logged in a database.

Then, if the pet strays or is stolen, animal welfare agencies can give it a quick scan with a hand-held reader, and reunite pet and registered keeper.
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Message 1686325 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 17:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1686323.  
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The same RFID process is widely used for domestic pets - mostly dogs - in the UK, where it's called 'chipping'. Responsible owners have a passive RFID chip injected into a loose fold of their pet's skin, and the ID number logged in a database.
Then, if the pet strays or is stolen, animal welfare agencies can give it a quick scan with a hand-held reader, and reunite pet and registered keeper.

Yes It could be used with kids as well.
I dont Think you have to inject the RFID tag.
Just put it in the cloothes or in the leeche.

This is a part of what we now call Internet of Things.
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Message 1686327 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 17:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 1686325.  

The same RFID process is widely used for domestic pets - mostly dogs - in the UK, where it's called 'chipping'. Responsible owners have a passive RFID chip injected into a loose fold of their pet's skin, and the ID number logged in a database.
Then, if the pet strays or is stolen, animal welfare agencies can give it a quick scan with a hand-held reader, and reunite pet and registered keeper.

Yes It could be used with kids as well.
I dont Think you have to inject the RFID tag.
Just put it in the cloothes or in the leeche.

This is a part of what we now call Internet of Things.

& knowing that the Internet is highly dangerous & well hackable, what a lovely idea to assist paedophiles in their search for children to abuse.

Next silly idea...
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Message 1686333 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 17:25:46 UTC - in response to Message 1686327.  

& knowing that the Internet is highly dangerous & well hackable, what a lovely idea to assist paedophiles in their search for children to abuse.
Next silly idea...

Nonsense. EPCIS is a protocol deveveloped by MIT.
If I rembember right the object is identified with a 128 bit ID.
For a hacker this ID is useless and there is nothing to hack.
From that ID it's only the customer who knows to handle it.
And how do I know all this things?
I was involved in a Project about five years ago to make a solution for swedish fish industry and the Swedish Rail SJ.
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Message 1686335 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 17:32:21 UTC - in response to Message 1686333.  

Simple enough answer for you...

...nothing man made is 100% safe or secure.
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Message 1686339 - Posted: 31 May 2015, 17:54:44 UTC - in response to Message 1686335.  
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Simple enough answer for you...

...nothing man made is 100% safe or secure.

In this case 99.999999999999999999999999% secure.
First you have to find the id with 3,4e+38 combinations.
Then you realize that there are no personal data in the EPCIS system.
To go forward you have to connect to an other system with that ID you want to examine.
That means you have to go to a system that is completely unknown to others and trying to find that ID for matches...
Good Luck:)

It doesn't work even if you know the systems involved.
Been there, Done that...

Come to Think about it.
This is Myth and Reality thread topic :)
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Message 1686812 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:45:05 UTC - in response to Message 1686663.  

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/31/electoral-reform-general-election-results-2015-first-past-the-post?

Time to change the voting system and i would advise you to do it our way .

NOT FIRST PAST THE POST but preferences , if your man doesn't get enough to win outright then he has to give his vote to someone else and will have to tell everyone whom that will be before the election , a much better system , not prefect but much better then what you have now .
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Message 1686827 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 2:41:36 UTC - in response to Message 1686812.  

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/31/electoral-reform-general-election-results-2015-first-past-the-post?

Time to change the voting system and i would advise you to do it our way .

NOT FIRST PAST THE POST but preferences , if your man doesn't get enough to win outright then he has to give his vote to someone else and will have to tell everyone whom that will be before the election , a much better system , not prefect but much better then what you have now .


(Kenneth?) Arrow proved in the last century or so that all methods of selecting the winning candidate can lead to paradoxical/unfair results.

For a short, beginner's level introduction to this, see "Excursions in Modern Mathematics" by (Peter?) Tannenbaum.

Further in the book, coalitions are discussed. Been a while since I've looked at that part, but I seem to recall some odd/unfair things can happen there. To misquote a circus guy, "You can't please all the people all the time."

But ... zzz ... snore ... facts are boring.
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Message 1686915 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:56:37 UTC

One politician I did like.

R.I.P. Charles
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Message 1687265 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 10:41:03 UTC - in response to Message 1686663.  
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The real reason David Cameron is sitting on a Commons majority


Good article, but i have a couple of nitpicks:

By no normal definition of the word popular were the Conservatives popular at the election. They received 36.9% of the vote.
That's still the highest proportion, Labour were about 30%, all the others were even further below. The Tories have the most support and thus formed the government.

Factor in the turn-out and the Conservatives secured the backing of less than a quarter of the registered electorate.
Why bother to factor in the turn-out, if people can't be bothered to put a cross in a box then they don't deserve a say in what happens.

It does seem to me though that many of those shouting for proportional representation seem to have quietened down for now, since PR would give UKIP 87 seats.
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Message 1687266 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 10:43:30 UTC - in response to Message 1686915.  

One politician I did like.

R.I.P. Charles

The best prime minister we never had.
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Message 1687293 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 13:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 1687265.  

By no normal definition of the word popular were the Conservatives popular at the election. They received 36.9% of the vote.
That's still the highest proportion, Labour were about 30%, all the others were even further below. The Tories have the most support and thus formed the government.

Factor in the turn-out and the Conservatives secured the backing of less than a quarter of the registered electorate.
Why bother to factor in the turn-out, if people can't be bothered to put a cross in a box then they don't deserve a say in what happens.

No but it does show that the UK is essentially being ruled by a minority of the population. Which is kinda the opposite of what Democracy is supposed to be about.

As for low voter turn out, it represents a far more troubling problem. Even if technically these people gave up their say in what happens in the government, they are still citizens of the country. If voter turn out continues to decrease, eventually no matter what, the government that gets elected has no democratic legitimacy anymore. Furthermore, this decrease in voter turn out represents the increasing disengagement of people from politics their country and society. Eventually, social cohesion will be so weak the country will just fall apart, the nation will disappear and the state will have no legitimacy at all.
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Message 1687299 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 14:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 1687293.  

No but it does show that the UK is essentially being ruled by a minority of the population. Which is kinda the opposite of what Democracy is supposed to be about.

Who would you have rule us instead?
Labour? (30.4%)
UKIP? (12.6%)
Lib Dem (7.9%)

No party has the support of 'the majority' of people.
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Message 1687300 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 14:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 1687299.  

No but it does show that the UK is essentially being ruled by a minority of the population. Which is kinda the opposite of what Democracy is supposed to be about.

Who would you have rule us instead?
Labour? (30.4%)
UKIP? (12.6%)
Lib Dem (7.9%)

No party has the support of 'the majority' of people.

In other countries that means you have to form a coalition until the coalition does represent the majority of voters.
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Message 1687340 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 15:18:02 UTC - in response to Message 1687300.  

No but it does show that the UK is essentially being ruled by a minority of the population. Which is kinda the opposite of what Democracy is supposed to be about.

Who would you have rule us instead?
Labour? (30.4%)
UKIP? (12.6%)
Lib Dem (7.9%)

No party has the support of 'the majority' of people.

In other countries that means you have to form a coalition until the coalition does represent the majority of voters.

Well, a Conservative-UKIP coalition falls short by ½%
Labour-LibDem-SNP-Green coalition also falls short by 2.2%, and if you have to join that many parties together it kinda defeats whatever the point in having separate parties was in the first place.


There's no easy answer, back when there were effectively only two parties we never had this issue, now there are loads.
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Message 1687355 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 15:40:32 UTC - in response to Message 1687340.  

Well, a Conservative-UKIP coalition falls short by ½%
Labour-LibDem-SNP-Green coalition also falls short by 2.2%, and if you have to join that many parties together it kinda defeats whatever the point in having separate parties was in the first place.


There's no easy answer, back when there were effectively only two parties we never had this issue, now there are loads.

I never said that coalitions are easy. I'm only saying that coalitions are the only way to ensure that the majority actually rules, rather than the minority.
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Message 1688543 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 14:31:54 UTC

Could this be the reason why Labour got stomped on?

No wonder Labour lost
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