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Message 1677731 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 15:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 1677643.  

Really, you honestly think that? Remember the UK Summer riots of 2011? The only time that uniforms work is in a police state or a military based government. At present we apparently have crowds demonstrating outside Downing Street In London. So you are expecting 2/3 of them to just go home because a copper tells them to? As for lab coats, are we talking the medical profession here? If we are it is usually sensible to follow your doctor's advice.

I suggest you look up the Milgram experiment.


There is now some debate about the validity of Milgram's experiment.

Did Stanley Milgram's Famous Obedience Experiments Prove Anything?
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Message 1677741 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 16:03:35 UTC - in response to Message 1677731.  

Really, you honestly think that? Remember the UK Summer riots of 2011? The only time that uniforms work is in a police state or a military based government. At present we apparently have crowds demonstrating outside Downing Street In London. So you are expecting 2/3 of them to just go home because a copper tells them to? As for lab coats, are we talking the medical profession here? If we are it is usually sensible to follow your doctor's advice.

I suggest you look up the Milgram experiment.


There is now some debate about the validity of Milgram's experiment.

Did Stanley Milgram's Famous Obedience Experiments Prove Anything?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
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Message 1677759 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 16:32:10 UTC - in response to Message 1677741.  

Really, you honestly think that? Remember the UK Summer riots of 2011? The only time that uniforms work is in a police state or a military based government. At present we apparently have crowds demonstrating outside Downing Street In London. So you are expecting 2/3 of them to just go home because a copper tells them to? As for lab coats, are we talking the medical profession here? If we are it is usually sensible to follow your doctor's advice.

I suggest you look up the Milgram experiment.

There is now some debate about the validity of Milgram's experiment.
Did Stanley Milgram's Famous Obedience Experiments Prove Anything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

Yes Humans are evil when being told to do by authorities!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo
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Message 1677776 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 16:49:24 UTC
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Message 1677791 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 17:06:08 UTC

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Message 1677870 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 20:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 1677731.  

There is now some debate about the validity of Milgram's experiment.

Did Stanley Milgram's Famous Obedience Experiments Prove Anything?

Interesting, but the experiment has been repeated quite often, with similar results. Have all those repeat studies then also cooked the numbers?

It will take a lot more than one person claiming that the results have been obtained through fraud to dispel the results.
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Message 1677950 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 0:12:13 UTC - in response to Message 1677776.  

It’s dehumanising to be ‘an oven’ for someone else’s baby

Although I agree it is "dehumanizing".

Does a woman have right to make that choice?
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Message 1678143 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 7:55:45 UTC - in response to Message 1677950.  

That statement is being provocative. Women believe that it is their body and they have a right to make a choice. That point has been made here many times.
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Message 1678194 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 14:17:18 UTC - in response to Message 1678143.  

That statement is being provocative. Women believe that it is their body and they have a right to make a choice. That point has been made here many times.

'Provocative charge', from Ideologues, really means:

The question shows the bankruptcy of their ideas. Therefore...

Understand Chris S.

Ideologues attacks, only work inside their little, enclosed, community.

Think of a Religious Monastery. It is the same thing.

Outside, in the real word: They sound childish and silly.
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Message 1678223 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 15:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 1677950.  

It’s dehumanising to be ‘an oven’ for someone else’s baby

Although I agree it is "dehumanizing".

Does a woman have right to make that choice?

Is it really a choice when you exploit the poor? I know America has a proud history of exploiting the poor and calling it freedom, but there is nothing free about abject poverty.
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Message 1678262 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 17:07:02 UTC - in response to Message 1678223.  

It’s dehumanising to be ‘an oven’ for someone else’s baby

Although I agree it is "dehumanizing".

Does a woman have right to make that choice?

Is it really a choice when you exploit the poor? I know America has a proud history of exploiting the poor and calling it freedom, but there is nothing free about abject poverty.

But...

Does a women, of any economic group, have the right to make that choice?

I don't believe your reply answered the specific question.
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Message 1678315 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 18:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 1678262.  

It’s dehumanising to be ‘an oven’ for someone else’s baby

Although I agree it is "dehumanizing".

Does a woman have right to make that choice?

Is it really a choice when you exploit the poor? I know America has a proud history of exploiting the poor and calling it freedom, but there is nothing free about abject poverty.

But...

Does a women, of any economic group, have the right to make that choice?

I don't believe your reply answered the specific question.

Do we have the right to exploit women who don't have a choice?
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Message 1678400 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 20:27:43 UTC - in response to Message 1678315.  

It’s dehumanising to be ‘an oven’ for someone else’s baby

Although I agree it is "dehumanizing".

Does a woman have right to make that choice?

Is it really a choice when you exploit the poor? I know America has a proud history of exploiting the poor and calling it freedom, but there is nothing free about abject poverty.

But...

Does a women, of any economic group, have the right to make that choice?

I don't believe your reply answered the specific question.

Do we have the right to exploit women who don't have a choice?

So a person can not choose to be exploited in your world. Glad to know that God.
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Message 1678411 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 20:44:15 UTC - in response to Message 1678400.  


Do we have the right to exploit women who don't have a choice?

So a person can not choose to be exploited in your world.

????
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Message 1678449 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 21:47:26 UTC - in response to Message 1678411.  


Do we have the right to exploit women who don't have a choice?

So a person can not choose to be exploited in your world.

????

Simple question. If you don't understand it, then you must have different presuppositions bouncing around in your head.
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Message 1678464 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 22:03:10 UTC - in response to Message 1678449.  


Do we have the right to exploit women who don't have a choice?

So a person can not choose to be exploited in your world.

????

Simple question. If you don't understand it, then you must have different presuppositions bouncing around in your head.

Yes I do. I think exploiting people is wrong and being exploited is not a right. Much the same way I would find the idea of selling a glass of water to a man dying of thirst reprehensible, whereas I suspect you would see it as a good money making opportunity.
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Message 1678536 - Posted: 12 May 2015, 1:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 1678464.  
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Do we have the right to exploit women who don't have a choice?

So a person can not choose to be exploited in your world.

????

Simple question. If you don't understand it, then you must have different presuppositions bouncing around in your head.

Yes I do. I think exploiting people is wrong and being exploited is not a right. Much the same way I would find the idea of selling a glass of water to a man dying of thirst reprehensible, whereas I suspect you would see it as a good money making opportunity.

Es99...

There are exploited people, and there are people who make independent decisions.

Do you believe all women, who make this choice, are exploited?

There is no free will?
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Message 1678545 - Posted: 12 May 2015, 2:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 1678536.  

Es99...

There are exploited people, and there are people who make independent decisions.

Do you believe all women, who make this choice, are exploited?

There is no free will?

You are very confused about what exploitation actually is. This issue isn't whether the women have free will or not. The issue is whether it is right to take advantage of them and their situation.
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Message 1678674 - Posted: 12 May 2015, 7:11:31 UTC - in response to Message 1678545.  

Es99...

There are exploited people, and there are people who make independent decisions.

Do you believe all women, who make this choice, are exploited?

There is no free will?

You are very confused about what exploitation actually is. This issue isn't whether the women have free will or not. The issue is whether it is right to take advantage of them and their situation.

Hermetically sealed in unsupported presuppositions which cannot be proved, but may easily be disproved by a single case. Binary unthinking at its finest.

Can someone chose to be exploited? After all most everyone has accepted an employment offer at some point in their life, and we all know that all employers exploit their laborers all the time. Yes, all laborers are exploited by all employers.

What is different, other that novel and unique, about hiring a womb over leg and arm muscles? Is it some religious objection because it is a womb? Some kind of moral thought that she is a akin to a prostitute? Perhaps there is a comparison, a strip club pole dancer and a prostitute. One uses arms and legs, the other a womb. Is that it?
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Message 1678676 - Posted: 12 May 2015, 7:16:03 UTC - in response to Message 1678464.  

Much the same way I would find the idea of selling a glass of water to a man dying of thirst reprehensible, whereas I suspect you would see it as a good money making opportunity.

In Cambria California, restaurants will not serve tap water, you must buy bottles of water.
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