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Message 1667858 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 1:42:18 UTC

I just watched a program about the construction of Britains latest warship, the HMS Queen Elisabeth R08. You Brits sure have been wishy washy about whether you want to have carriers in your navy. But I have to admit this new ship looks up to the task, but it does look a little strange having two islands. The fore island is for ship navigation while the aft island is for managing air ops. Right now it looks like the Royal Navy is buying Lockheed/Martin F-35s for its main aircraft complement.
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Message 1667916 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 3:47:49 UTC

I was curious about the numbers of carriers per country, and found this. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and there are some other interesting stats:

http://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-aircraft-carriers.asp
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Message 1667996 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 10:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 1667971.  
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If the government hadn't killed off the British fighter aircraft industry, we could have had supersonic Harriers on that ship.[/quote]

+ a million mate its them bunch of ar#ewip#s in the commons fault and that's from ALL party's
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Message 1668098 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 15:39:21 UTC - in response to Message 1668089.  
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The P1154 along with the TSR-2 were cancelled in 1965 by the incoming Labour Government.

Hawker supersonic harrier


That should of been built Chris and I recon the TSR-2 should of gone farther than just a prototype , there's a good film about TSR-2 on you tube that's worth a watch . You could also say the same things about the "grapple trials" and Blue Streek. End of the day its the pen pushers that control the purse strings and it all comes down to that !!
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Message 1668291 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 4:24:43 UTC

I just wonder what function just one aircraft carrier will serve here in the 21st century. I ponder that list that Gordon Lowe provided a link to. I also wonder how long it will be until China has a fleet of carriers and not just the one they have now.
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Message 1668318 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 6:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1668291.  

I just wonder what function just one aircraft carrier will serve here in the 21st century. I ponder that list that Gordon Lowe provided a link to. I also wonder how long it will be until China has a fleet of carriers and not just the one they have now.

I would guess in the next 10 to 15 years they will have several. Then watch the balance of power shift.
What makes me laugh is Japans newest destroyer. Sure looks like an Air Craft carrier to me.
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Message 1668345 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 8:10:04 UTC - in response to Message 1668291.  

I just wonder what function just one aircraft carrier will serve here in the 21st century. I ponder that list that Gordon Lowe provided a link to. I also wonder how long it will be until China has a fleet of carriers and not just the one they have now.



By the same token, I'm surprised Russia only has one.
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Message 1668355 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 8:29:49 UTC - in response to Message 1668318.  

I just wonder what function just one aircraft carrier will serve here in the 21st century. I ponder that list that Gordon Lowe provided a link to. I also wonder how long it will be until China has a fleet of carriers and not just the one they have now.

I would guess in the next 10 to 15 years they will have several. Then watch the balance of power shift.
What makes me laugh is Japans newest destroyer. Sure looks like an Air Craft carrier to me.

Our 1st recently commissioned aircraft carrier, after decades without them, is the HMAS Canberra, which is classsed as an "Amphibious Assault Ship/Landing Helicopter Dock", and the 2nd, HMAS Adelaide (L01), is currently being fitted out and expected to be commissioned next year.

Both ships can be retro-fitted for fixed winged aircraft use, but our main intended use for them is for carrying out and supporting humanitarian missions wherever needed around the world, not for war (hence no fixed winged capability, but they can still defend themselves) or in the worst case scenario, transport, deploy and embark our defence forces, or allied Army/Marines, with all their equipment, supplies, helicopters, tanks and other forms of transport they need.

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Message 1668400 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 11:36:12 UTC - in response to Message 1668291.  

I also wonder how long it will be until China has a fleet of carriers and not just the one they have now.

Or perhaps China build more islands.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/04/18/cnni-china-builds-ocean-runway.cnn?iref=obinsite
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Message 1668438 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 13:44:42 UTC

My father served on board several US carriers during his service in the Navy and he related to me and my brothers an event that occurred during congressional hearings in the 1950s regarding funding for a new class of carriers (the Forrestal and her sisters). An air force general made a comment that carriers were too slow and an easy target, to which a navy admiral returned this question, how fast can an air force base move?
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Message 1668564 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 19:22:28 UTC - in response to Message 1667971.  

If the government hadn't killed off the British fighter aircraft industry, we could have had supersonic Harriers on that ship.

Isn't the Typhoon British? And BAE Systems is a British company right?
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Message 1668756 - Posted: 23 Apr 2015, 4:43:47 UTC - in response to Message 1668355.  

Thanks Wiggo i didn't think we had a aircraft carrier since they decommssiond the Melbourne .

Now all we need is them F35b's

I agree with you Chris them twits in the Commons should have keep'd the Harrier Jump jets going .

I reckon the Boeing version witch was competing with the Skunk Works for the design of the F35 was and would have been less problematic than the Turbo fan lift system the current F35 has for it's VTO , the harrier was a better system for VTO and that's what the Boeing system was based on the Harrier Jump Jet.
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Message 1668801 - Posted: 23 Apr 2015, 7:16:54 UTC

Thanks Wiggo i didn't think we had a aircraft carrier since they decommssiond the Melbourne .

Now all we need is them F35b's



The only thing is Glenn we're not on a war footing, so no fixed winged aircraft are/were planned for them as having them is saying that you are ready for war.

They were mainly designed as "International Humanitarian Relief Vessels" 1st up and "Heavy Load Transport" 2nd (in the case of war then things can be changed). ;-)

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Message 1668820 - Posted: 23 Apr 2015, 7:50:01 UTC

Just a random thought, but if I was going to serve at sea, I'd rather be on an aircraft carrier than a sub, even though I'm sure a sub is probably safer from attack.
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Message 1668878 - Posted: 23 Apr 2015, 10:35:30 UTC - in response to Message 1668564.  

If the government hadn't killed off the British fighter aircraft industry, we could have had supersonic Harriers on that ship.

Isn't the Typhoon British? And BAE Systems is a British company right?

Partly British, different bits are built my many companies.
Couldn't use Typhoons on the HMS QE though, they need a launching system.
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Message 1668888 - Posted: 23 Apr 2015, 11:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1668878.  

If the government hadn't killed off the British fighter aircraft industry, we could have had supersonic Harriers on that ship.

Isn't the Typhoon British? And BAE Systems is a British company right?

Partly British, different bits are built my many companies.
Couldn't use Typhoons on the HMS QE though, they need a launching system.

BAE Systems' interests in Sweden are a result of the purchases of Alvis Vickers and UDI, which owned Hägglunds and Bofors respectively.

In January 2007, details of an investigation by the Serious Fraud Office into BAE Systems' sales tactics in regard to South Africa were reported, highlighting the £2.3 billion deal to supply Hawk trainers and JAS 39 Gripen fighters as suspect. In May 2011, as allegations of bribery behind South Africa's Gripen procurement continued, the company's partner Saab AB issued strong denials of any illicit payments being made; however in June 2011 Saab announced that BAE Systems had made unaccounted payments of roughly $3.5 million to a consultant, this revelation prompted South African Opposition parties to call for a renewed inquiry.
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Message 1668894 - Posted: 23 Apr 2015, 11:55:10 UTC - in response to Message 1668801.  

The only thing is Glenn we're not on a war footing, so no fixed winged aircraft are/were planned for them as having them is saying that you are ready for war.


I've all ways thought it was a mistake to decommision the Melbourne . We have to much coast line to look after .

With Indonesia , China , Nth Korea or any number of country's on the verge of failing in the Asian area i think we should have at least 1 Fixed wing Aircraft Carrier , no reason it can be used for humanitarian aid

I tell ya thou i wish they would get the dam things built here not places like Spain , same with the F'ing Submarine contract going to Japan ???
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Message 1669718 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 8:36:55 UTC

Has anyone ever considered building a nuclear-powered ocean liner? They're certainly the right sort of scale.

I was almost disappointed (not really sure why) to find out the HMS QE isn't nuclear powered, apparently for 'cost reasons' (damn accountants!). We've got a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines (13 of them i believe) so it's not as though we can't handle the technology.
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Message 1669731 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 10:15:02 UTC

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Message 1669736 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 10:58:23 UTC - in response to Message 1669733.  
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Janne, they are ice breakers or Merchant cargo ships, not passenger liners as was referred to by Simonator.

What do you mean????????
I'm lost.
Why is it only the military that uses nuclear power propulsion and not civilian ships?
And our ice breakers are run by the Swedish Navy, not civilians.
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