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Message 1673605 - Posted: 3 May 2015, 20:51:32 UTC - in response to Message 1673364.  
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There are several notions of infinity in the Mathematical world. Check out ALEPH-Null

Yes Also called Aleph Naught.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number#Aleph-naught

There is also some sets of non-integer numbers that are not infinitive:)
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Message 1674107 - Posted: 5 May 2015, 8:54:33 UTC - in response to Message 1671419.  

Entropy was almost zero...like limes, it tended to become 0...but never could!

Why not? Have you been there? :)
Entropy doesn't tend to become 0. Entropy has only one direction, like time.
Arrow of Time.
As one goes "forward" in time, the second law of thermodynamics says, the entropy of an isolated system can increase, but not decrease. Hence, from one perspective, entropy measurement is a way of distinguishing the past from the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(arrow_of_time)
The second law of thermodynamics applies to an isolated system.
Are our universe an isolated system?

Entropy also require space. According to the Big Bang Theory there was no space in our universe in the beginning.

Like some things like "absolute zero", that nothing can become...almost, yes...but not absolute...tend to come to 0K, but never become...

It's the same with Enthropy:
1. it's not 0, 'cause the Universe didn't come from NOTHING...it became from sthg! Proven over & over...even though some scientist tend to "absolute 0 enthropy" in the begining...
2. it's not 0, 'cause in a isolated system you can't increase or decrease energy...there have been so much talk about our Universe been OPEN SYSTEM... ;)
3. in OPEN SYSTEM you can get energy from surrounding areas & take them in your system...so our Universe expands in those "pan-sea" of matter/energy...so there was something, just we didn't call it Universe...
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Message 1674113 - Posted: 5 May 2015, 10:34:41 UTC - in response to Message 1674107.  
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There are many theories:)
Here is a new one.
Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning
http://www.livescience.com/49958-theory-no-big-bang.html
In the new formulation, there is no singularity, and the universe is infinitely old.
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Message 1689137 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 10:29:58 UTC - in response to Message 1674113.  

There are many theories:)
Here is a new one.
Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning
http://www.livescience.com/49958-theory-no-big-bang.html
In the new formulation, there is no singularity, and the universe is infinitely old.

seems so sane to me! ;)


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Message 1690409 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 6:49:55 UTC - in response to Message 1669215.  
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I have seen several different descriptions lately of what is supposed to be the largest structure in the universe. I question what the definition of being a structure is.


All bodies consisting of matter (building blocks) are structures, is my guess.
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Message 1690428 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 8:59:17 UTC - in response to Message 1690409.  

I have seen several different descriptions lately of what is supposed to be the largest structure in the universe. I question what the definition of being a structure is.


All bodies consisting of matter (building blocks) are structures, is my guess.

Or the absence of them?


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Message 1690437 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 10:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 1690428.  

I have seen several different descriptions lately of what is supposed to be the largest structure in the universe. I question what the definition of being a structure is.


All bodies consisting of matter (building blocks) are structures, is my guess.

Or the absence of them?


Structures purely based on energies could also be an option.
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Message 1690454 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 11:32:36 UTC
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In physical cosmology, galaxy filaments, also called supercluster complexes, great walls, or great attractors,[1][2] are amongst the largest known cosmic structures in the universe. They are massive, thread-like formations, with a typical length of 50 to 80 megaparsecs h−1, (163 to 261 million light years) that form the boundaries between large voids in the universe.[3] Filaments consist of gravitationally bound galaxies; parts where a large number of galaxies are very close to each other (in cosmic terms) are called superclusters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_filament
http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/virgo/millennium/
They look like spider web in the morning dew.

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Message 1690457 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 11:54:55 UTC
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Very interesting Janne. The celestial bodies in these voids attract each other due to the gravitational influence they have on each other whereas they repulse the gravitational influence of the bodies in the other voids, separated from the void in question by the filaments.
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Message 1690462 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 12:27:13 UTC

This is big:)
Hercules–Corona Borealis Great Wall.[3][4] This would be an extremely huge structure of the universe, with a mean size in excess of[clarification needed] 2 billion to 3 billion parsecs (6 to 10 billion light-years).
The Biggest Thing In The Universe Is So Gigantic It Shouldn't Exist At All (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/biggest-thing-in-universe-video_n_5365111.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NQ2-NQ4_GRB_overdensity
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Message 1690469 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 13:11:00 UTC - in response to Message 1667994.  

Maybe the universe is next to another universe in which bubbles merge or are interconnected in nature.
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Message 1690476 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 13:27:31 UTC

As always, the more we learn the less we know.
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Message 1690480 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 13:42:37 UTC - in response to Message 1690476.  

As always, the more we learn the less we know.

Or perhaps The more we learn the more we learn that there is more to learn.
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Message 1690508 - Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 15:14:10 UTC - in response to Message 1690480.  

Perhaps we will know everything about nothing.
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Message 1690713 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 6:15:38 UTC

Nothing lasts forever, except what we don't know. We humans don't know a lot, that's a fact.
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Message 1690754 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 9:54:36 UTC
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dS > 0 is a fact.
Hopefully dKnowledge / dt > 0 is a fact as well.

They seek them here, they seek them there
Those CERN people seek them everywhere
Are they in heaven or are they in hell?
Those demned elusive damn god particle.

btw. dPopulation_Growth / dt is now decreasing...
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Message 1690819 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 14:26:37 UTC - in response to Message 1690713.  

" I know nothing; but, I know what I don't know"

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Message 1690913 - Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 17:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 1690819.  
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" I know nothing; but, I know what I don't know"
Socrates

Hmmm. Sounds like a contradictory to me.
Shouldn't it be "I know that I don't know everything"?

Or perhaps "cogitationis nomine complector id omne, quod sic in nobis est ut ejus immediate conscii simus"

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Message 1691084 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 4:35:37 UTC - in response to Message 1690913.  

" I know nothing; but, I know what I don't know"
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Hmmm. Sounds like a contradictory to me.
Shouldn't it be "I know that I don't know everything"?
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Message 1691089 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 5:35:32 UTC - in response to Message 1691084.  
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" I know nothing; but, I know what I don't know"
Socrates

Hmmm. Sounds like a contradictory to me.
Shouldn't it be "I know that I don't know everything"?
Jan al-Swedi.

English is a funny language.

And scandinavian languages as well:)

But Socrates was a greek.
"I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing."
"To know, is to . That is the meaning of true knowledge"
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/socrates.html

But knowing that you know nothing...
I call that a knowledge.
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