Why would you even consider water blocking 3 x 1060's? A single 1080 Hybrid is Cheaper, Simpler, and much easier to maintain.

He is convinced that these rigs he is trying to build are going to be at the top of the leading edge range, and therefore will automatically need water cooling and large PSU's. He regularly says "from what I have been told" or "from what I have read", He never checks anything to confirm it. I have three rigs running off a power meter on a 13A (240V) wall socket.

1, Pentium Quad Q6600 2.4 Ghz, 8Gb ram, 750Ti card
2. Xeon i7 2600 3.4Ghz, 8Gb ram, 950 card
3. Twin Xeon X5460 2.16Ghz, 12Gb ram, 980 card

Nothing is over clocked I want my kit to last, and the cards are at 90-95% utilisation. The total power draw at 240V is shown as 890W on the meter. I know that the Quad m'c takes 250w so the Xeons are about 320W each. All three have Bronze rated Antec 550W PSU's with 20A on the 12V rails.

He's been building these pc's for 2 years now and none are working yet. It would have been cheaper to have bought a ready made new one.

1. I don't overclock.
2. That's 4, not 3, I said this before Here, or did you miss the post?
3. You pay for the damned1080, I need several things I can't get, one is a 1060, and a new vinyl dual paned window, and the window will take Me several months to pay for, do you think I'm rich?

Huh?

And I have a credit card to pay for, what I buy is no concern of yours, this is My thread, go elsewhere, you aren't welcome here anymore Chris S...

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Vic, keep your cool - it may be your thread, but being abusive to others is still out of order.

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Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

1050/1050Ti, both are crippled 1060 gpus, yet use the same 120w of power as a 1060

Vic where did you get 120 w for a 1050 ti from ????? it's total boll#x , i've got 3 Nvidia GTX 1050ti's in computer 7420805 and they draw 75w MAX each all thro the PCI-E slot ( probably less coz it's a " cruncher " 24/7/365 nothing else is done on the machine ) , i put the machine together myself and know that for a fact .
You can't draw 120w thro a PCI-E slot it's impossible and there's no external power connectors on any GTX 1050ti card i own

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

I have a house to take care of, a car that last month cost Me $315.10 to get repaired, and I get a know it all who presumes too much, how else do you think I feel?

Christ S should keep His mouth shut.

Telling Me I don't know how to build a PC, I've been building PCs, installing software and OSes, and and even delousing PCs of malware since 1992.

I keep this place running on $895.72 a month, I don't get any other government help, and I do the best that I can, even with medical problems added in.

I can't even go have surgery, I'm forbidden to drive to the Hospital and back, or even have Uber or Lyft drive Me, or the surgery would be off, so I have to wait until a relative gets back from France and Italy, in May. When I don't know, since I know She'll be back, just not which day in May.

I do know how to follow orders. Sharpshooter or not, and yes I was very much so at one time.

And how else am I going to let Chris S know? He blocks PM's... I have no idea how many He's blocked either.

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Vic i wern't having a go was just saying , don't write of 1050 ti cards as crap

My computers stats as off 5 / 10 mins ago

R.A.C 45,589.98 Total Credit 36,568,762 Model 7.6.33 GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5650 @ 2.67GHz [Family 6 Model 44 Stepping 2]
(12 processors) [3] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (4095MB) driver: 375.63 OpenCL: 1.2

That's the stats from my 3 1050ti's running 2 wu's at a time , the hyperthreadin is turned off on the xeon chip and 1 core per wu , 4 wu's CPU and 2 cores are " free "

The 1050's might not be " bleeding edge " but they do the work well and with a max power draw of 75w each card for wu's to power used is very good .

You post about your " situation" and why not make a compromise ?? boost your rac and save a few $rs in running costs .

Couple of $rs saved it soon mounts up .

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

Just to give you some real-world figures:
Computer with Ryzen 1700, 2 off GTX960 draws about 270W from the wall, delivers a RAC of about 41k
Computer with Xeon E3-1231 v3, 2 off GTX1080, one off GTX980, draws about 450W from the wall, delivers a RAC of about118k.

These are figures from the last half hour, not some wild guess, or anything else. Looking at them would suggest that a rig with 4 off GTX10xx GPUs would not need anything more than about 600W, so you wouldn't need the additional expense of an new PSU, water cooling (hybrid or "traditional") to run stock clocks, with the Petri/TBar magic app. Sometime later today I will put the power meter onto this computer and give you a further update (AMD FX 8 core, pair of GTX970 RAC around 39k).

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Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Like I did say, I find it is physically much easier to clean a hybrid, you do what you want, I have enough problems, with My back, just to stand I have take time release 650mg caplets, 2 every 6-8hrs, I have injuries, My weight, and kidney problems, plus a temp to keep under control.

I'd like to get some new prescription glasses, the prescription is free still, all thanks to cuts from 2009 that have not been restored, I live in the cheapskate state, I'd also like to get My teeth cleaned, a heavy duty cleaning, but that requires $450, what is authorized is a polishing according to My Dentist, I need to get some new carpet cleaner, and I've just scratched the surface as to what I need, this is a small sample, I would like to pay down what I have.

I do the best that I can, and some ignorant, I'd like to say what is in My mind, but I'm holding back, He needs to apologize to Me, get out of My thread Chris S until you do that...

I hate typing too, I'm self taught, I even learned how to do things like sewing by watching, first aid I learned in about an hour, I was 12 then, My mom taught Me how to cook, I can clean clothes, and learned by watching, same way with riding a horse, My parents never believed I could, when I was 17, Me and My then GF went and rented two horses, I did just fine.

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I think a calm down is needed on all sides.

As the moderators have said many times if you do not wish to see another posters input to these forums please put them on filter.

Then resist the temptation to look. Just a bit of self control.

If self control does not happen then post may disappear and the thread will be lock for a forced cool down.

Now for 3 GTX580 cards, that just happen to be Hybrids, 2 are premade, the 3rd I made Myself, it just needs heatsinks for the ram and vrm modules to be stable(which have been on their way for the last few days), otherwise it works, these will require a 1050w psu min, which will be a Seasonic Platinum.

Now for 1060's I still like Hybrids, I'd rather not shut down and disassemble a PC just to dust each part, since this is painful to do for Me, just moving a hdd, psu, dvd drive, and motherboard from one case to another case took about 8 hours for Me to do, which is why I like the cpu water cooled, I use an AIO(All In One) block and radiator, for Maintenance reasons, if you want to save Me money by saying I should just get an air cooled card, then please read the Last paragraph.

So for a psu for a 1060 w/a water block or a hybrid, that will be an 850w Seasonic Platinum, for 4 1060 hybrid cards(NZXT Kraken G12 if needed), it's My choice. It's what I'm comfortable with.















Some of the following in My profile, though the order is different, but then some probably won't bother reading it, so here it is:

If some think Me having intense pain is BS, then try walking a mile in My moccasins, with My physical problems, since the pain from 3 dislocated joints, a stiff back, part of My stomach is above My diaphragm(makes My breathing hard at times, and I'll fight for air like a fish, this has been true since I was 3 yrs old), I also have asthma, Osteoarthritis, kidney problems that won't be addressed, I'm told, until after the prostate surgery is dealt with, if ever. My sister in law, a retired RN, knows how painful it is, and is more than qualified, though She does not give advice, or criticism. I know others have their own physical problems, Mine affect Me, yours will gain sympathy from Me, but that is all. I take 650mg 8hr time release Tylenol caplets, 2 to 3 times a day, it does not help for more than brief periods, sure I can stand, and even walk, sometimes with a cane, but standing for more than a minute or two pushes the envelope, in one location standing after a point means I'm literally bent over, at the waist, resting some, before trying to continue on with what I have to do while standing. When I go shopping locally I have to use, an electronic wheelchair, I weigh about 440 lbs, I do have severe anxiety problems, and concentration problems, I didn't ask to be this way either.

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So, lock it then.
Not everybody wishes to hear about a man who confesses to have no means, but continues to tell everybody about his latest and greatest computer wizardry.
Where is the conundrum here?

Does kitty have enough to eat?
I am concerned for kitty. I think perhaps Vic is consuming all efforts to make a good show on the tube.
Where does kitty fit into this?
I simple need to know that kitty is taken care of.
And I am sure that Vic will chime in here and say that he is.
But, I have to wonder.

I, for one, have this thread now blocked.

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Now for 1060's I still like Hybrids, I'd rather not shut down and disassemble a PC just to dust each part, since this is painful to do for Me, just moving a hdd, psu, dvd drive, and motherboard from one case to another case took about 8 hours for Me to do, which is why I like the cpu water cooled, I use an AIO(All In One) block and radiator, for Maintenance reasons, if you want to save Me money by saying I should just get an air cooled card, then please read the Last paragraph.

So for a psu for a 1060 w/a water block or a hybrid, that will be an 850w Seasonic Platinum, for 4 1060 hybrid cards(NZXT Kraken G12 if needed), it's My choice. It's what I'm comfortable with.

While you may think water-cooling (in whatever form) is a source of easy maintenance and simple build you are sadly wrong. It took me less than two hours from opening the boxes to getting my Razen system up and running, including stripping out the old hardware. This system is air cooled, and is very stable at an ambient of 35C.
As for your figures for power consumption - way over the top. Look at the real figures I gave in my previous post - a system with 2 1080 and a 980 is only drawing 450W - so on that measure a four 1080 system would be drawing about 600W - and a 1080 draws significantly more power than a 1060. And no need for the difficulties in setting up a water cooled system, just plug in the parts, load the OS, install BOINC and SETI.

I've no doubt that the triple GTX580 system would need a lot more power than a modern system, but it does have obsolete components at its core, and, as you state, you still haven't proven them to work, so it may not be as functional as you hope. - I hope it is for your sake.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Now for 1060's I still like Hybrids, I'd rather not shut down and disassemble a PC just to dust each part, since this is painful to do for Me, just moving a hdd, psu, dvd drive, and motherboard from one case to another case took about 8 hours for Me to do, which is why I like the cpu water cooled, I use an AIO(All In One) block and radiator, for Maintenance reasons, if you want to save Me money by saying I should just get an air cooled card, then please read the Last paragraph.

So for a psu for a 1060 w/a water block or a hybrid, that will be an 850w Seasonic Platinum, for 4 1060 hybrid cards(NZXT Kraken G12 if needed), it's My choice. It's what I'm comfortable with.

While you may think water-cooling (in whatever form) is a source of easy maintenance and simple build you are sadly wrong. It took me less than two hours from opening the boxes to getting my Razen system up and running, including stripping out the old hardware. This system is air cooled, and is very stable at an ambient of 35C.
As for your figures for power consumption - way over the top. Look at the real figures I gave in my previous post - a system with 2 1080 and a 980 is only drawing 450W - so on that measure a four 1080 system would be drawing about 600W - and a 1080 draws significantly more power than a 1060. And no need for the difficulties in setting up a water cooled system, just plug in the parts, load the OS, install BOINC and SETI.

I've no doubt that the triple GTX580 system would need a lot more power than a modern system, but it does have obsolete components at its core, and, as you state, you still haven't proven them to work, so it may not be as functional as you hope. - I hope it is for your sake.

Like I said 8 hours here, that is how long it took Me to accomplish, I am not joking either. I am glad you could do that in 2 hours Rob, I could not.

Two are production units and do work(PNY and ZOTAC), of the two cards, one just needs some machine screws and hex nuts, since the fan screws could not do the job of holding one fan in place on the ZOTAC Infinity 580.

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Some things come via a credit card, others by My debit card, I get only so much, and it goes quickly, I do keep everything running, so don't knock what you know little to nothing of.

I don't have to justify what I spend money on, so drop the shaming.

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I don't have to justify what I spend money on, so drop the shaming.

Indeed you do not.

But you cannot really complain if you spend money on something then later there is none left for something else.

I think perhaps it is a case of you often posting what you "hope" to do, but it is not clear to others.

Remember this is a public forum and all who take part in SETI@Home can read this and comment.

Not everybody wishes to hear about a man who confesses to have no means, but continues to tell everybody about his latest and greatest computer wizardry.

Not everybody wishes to hear drunken fantasy stories, about Kpax, Joan Jett and whatever trip you happen to be on, so we just ignore your posts.

Please allow Vic to post what he wishes. Without selfish comments.

Thank you.

I don't have to justify what I spend money on, so drop the shaming.

Indeed you do not.

But you cannot really complain if you spend money on something then later there is none left for something else.

I think perhaps it is a case of you often posting what you "hope" to do, but it is not clear to others.

Remember this is a public forum and all who take part in SETI@Home can read this and comment.

Yeah, like when I spent $315.10 on My car in 1 month, that went mostly on a credit card, I try to buy My food at the beginning of the month, sometimes I don't put some things on the list, and don't realize it until later on, no one is perfect, not even Me. I just looked at My list for next month, I had to add some 2 loafs of whole wheat bread, lite mayo, breakfast sausage and ham for sandwiches(10% salt, in a 1.5lb pkg). I have enough for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, munchies included. That's $97.66 for May on My food shopping list @ Food4Less, I get reward points for every $ that I spend at F4L, which when I get 100 or more reward points means I get $0.10 a gallon off the price of fuel for the car, F4L owns their own Gasoline Station, and right now the price is $2.779 a gallon. I keep track of prices on food, this helps in planning the next food shopping list.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Personally I like to see instant results from my hardware purchases.

My 3570K rig with dual 1060's is pulling 245W from the wall while my 2500K rig with dual 1060's pulls 270W and my Athlon II X4 wintertime rig with dual 660's pulls 295W for a grand total of 810W (250W down from last winter and the GPU's I was using back then) and I can't complain about the RAC I'm currently producing (a long way up from last winter).

Cheers.

Just a random thought vic. Have you thought about getting a small air compressor to help with dusting? A new one would cost just a little more than 1 water block, and there are many used ones normally around at sales. It would also help for other thins around the house.

Then air cooling/cleaning would be so much easier for you.

I have a 2hp air compressor here that I use for blow mine and other peoples air cooled rigs out (as well as inflating tyres) and no one around uses water cooling.

Cheers.

Just a random thought vic. Have you thought about getting a small air compressor to help with dusting? A new one would cost just a little more than 1 water block, and there are many used ones normally around at sales. It would also help for other thins around the house.

Then air cooling/cleaning would be so much easier for you.

No, I have a 1970's-1980's era Sears Kenmore Canister Vacuum(5.1 peak hp) that I inherited and replaced with some newer parts, it works great with 30yr old white carpet(good with a black cat), and the dusting attachment is as gentle as can be on the radiators, the cpu works pretty well, idle on the 4820K cpu @ 3.7GHz(ram is set at 1866 in the Bios) is varying from 35-48C, while in use is at 59-72C, 100C is the max there, the gpu varies from the same amounts as the cpu at load, idle is steady at 36C, the gpu runs at 857MHz when working, when not working the gpu is at 51MHz.

The case has lots of built in dust filters.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's