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Message 1692036 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 6:13:38 UTC - in response to Message 1692002.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill
Barney and Betty Hill

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Barney and Betty Hill with their dog, Desley.

Barney and Betty Hill were an American couple who were allegedly abducted by extraterrestrials in a rural portion of New Hampshire on September 19, 1961 through September 20, 1961.

We are alone for now. I underlined allegedly. The story of the Betty & Barney, has been debunked.
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Message 1692043 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 6:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 1691919.  

Let's no get into Intelligent design here.

We already had one and he left.


Yep...
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Message 1692048 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 6:43:17 UTC

And Batter Up..
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Message 1692085 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 8:31:45 UTC

Getting back to "Is anyone Out There". Distance is the killer. It isn't very likely that ET will be found on a planet circling a star or stars within 100ly.

So we get the ultimate practical joke played on us. We have the brains to figure out we aren't alone but not so much yet that we will be able to do anything about it when the proof does land on our doorstep.
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Message 1692091 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 8:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 1692085.  

Getting back to "Is anyone Out There". Distance is the killer. It isn't very likely that ET will be found on a planet circling a star or stars within 100ly.

So we get the ultimate practical joke played on us. We have the brains to figure out we aren't alone but not so much yet that we will be able to do anything about it when the proof does land on our doorstep.


So true :(
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Message 1692127 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 11:12:30 UTC - in response to Message 1692038.  

I still think that generally scientists are correct when they say that given the size of the observable universe and maybe an unknown size of a yet to be observed larger universe, the sheer odds are in favour of other life forms out there somewhere.

But to be like "us" they would have to be on earthlike planets in habitable zones of similar stars. All sci fi ET's are portrayed as bipedal humanoids because they are played by human actors, one exception being Jabba the Hut.

But given the vastness of the universe the odds against ET and us ever knowing each other exists, let alone communicating, is even greater. So the answer to the question posed is simply asking another question.

Q1. Is Anyone out there?
A1. Statistically, most likely yes

Q2. Will we ever know that?
A2. Statistically, most likely no

We all accept that we have the UFO brigade, and those that feel they are being communicated with, coupled with the conspiraccy groups believing in Government suppression of the truth. Add to that any ET that has conquered space travel wouldn't contact us at our level of advancement, and even if they did it would be hushed up by the worlds security services, with a view to reverse engineering any technology.

The famous WOW signal was a once off that hasn't happened again even though is has been targeted. But it is FUN looking and speculating and hoping, else none of us would be here doing it!! And it keeps others off the streets :-))

Carry on chaps.

Who would then buy a package?
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/964/
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Message 1692215 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 15:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 1691547.  

The "God" that Einstein and Hawking have mentioned is not your god who is vengeful, indifferent to suffering, keeps a tally on your misdeeds and listens to your supplications. It is the intricacies, intelligence, chance and mysteries that they perceive in Nature,

In other words "Mother Nature?"

But careful here, else we'll get back to creationism Vs Evolutionism :-)

like this?
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Message 1692251 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 16:43:27 UTC - in response to Message 1692131.  

Who would then buy a package?

Oh no .... You mean that .... gasp ... gulp ..... that unethical computer games manufacturers that prey upon kids pocket money and vulunerable adults would go out of business???

Oh Lord we can't have that can we. Quick earth, start sending out signals, hey ET we are here come and annihilate us, every 8 year old is up for it!!!

X-COM is a science fiction video game franchise featuring the titular fictional elite international organization tasked with countering alien invasions of Earth.

I have a friend who is hooked on one of those games to the tune of $75/week. I keep telling him he needs counselling. And believe me it ain't me. As soon as a game site asks for money I'm gone.
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Message 1692484 - Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 5:50:15 UTC

@Bob
this is site 4 BUYING games...no EXTRA purchases needed!

other games use IN GAME PURCHASES...like the ones on Smartphones...& some FREE TO PLAY games... ;)


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Message 1692943 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 5:34:54 UTC
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Reading through this thread, this idea came to my mind.

In which way is nature supposed to make intelligence visible or present?

There are so many words available trying to better explain this.

Rather than assuming that a manifest could be a written document or a statement, also something which could go invisible could make itself visible in order to manifest itself.

We are taking ourselves for granted because we are supposed to be what we really are by means of our physical appearance.

But intelligence is something which comes along with us. It is being included as part of our brain and makes us able to think and dream. Whether or not other intelligent beings, or extraterrestrials, are physical or not, they may be supposed to be having intelligence, meaning ability of thinking and deduction.

Is communication the only way possible intelligence might be detected, or is there perhaps other ways in which such a thing might be carried out?
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Message 1693132 - Posted: 18 Jun 2015, 15:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 1692988.  

Please make it bluestar, Chris.
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Message 1693690 - Posted: 19 Jun 2015, 23:26:11 UTC - in response to Message 1693132.  

There IS alien life out there: Nasa administrator says he believes we are not alone in the universe

Charles Frank Bolden Jr., the Administrator of Nasa confirmed he believes there is life outside of Earth.

Facing readers from First News for the newspaper's Hotseat show on Sky News, he was asked if he believed in aliens by 10-year-old Carmen Dearing.

'I do believe that we will someday find other forms of life or a form of life, if not in our solar system then in some of the other solar systems - the billions of solar systems in the universe, he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3130345/There-alien-life-Nasa-administrator-says-believes-not-universe.html
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Message 1693717 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 0:29:04 UTC - in response to Message 1693690.  

There IS alien life out there: Nasa administrator says he believes we are not alone in the universe

Charles Frank Bolden Jr., the Administrator of Nasa confirmed he believes there is life outside of Earth.

Facing readers from First News for the newspaper's Hotseat show on Sky News, he was asked if he believed in aliens by 10-year-old Carmen Dearing.

'I do believe that we will someday find other forms of life or a form of life, if not in our solar system then in some of the other solar systems - the billions of solar systems in the universe, he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3130345/There-alien-life-Nasa-administrator-says-believes-not-universe.html

I think that's a safe bet.
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Message 1693788 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 6:47:30 UTC

Good news, thank you Lynn.
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Message 1693811 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 8:08:24 UTC - in response to Message 1693800.  
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I think that's a safe bet.

Blimey, talk about hedging ones bets with a woolly answer! All he actually said was that its likely we will find something somewhere, but we just don't know what, where, or when. He got away with it in response to a child. Would not have been accepted by an adult.


Charles Frank Bolden Jr., the Administrator of Nasa confirmed he believes there is life outside of Earth.


The above quote says enough for some people, Chris.
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Message 1694254 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 10:10:33 UTC - in response to Message 1693849.  

What kind of life and how will we find it if it is outside of our Solar system??
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Message 1694773 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 5:43:26 UTC - in response to Message 1694254.  

What kind of life and how will we find it if it is outside of our Solar system??

RAMA?
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Message 1694820 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 9:59:56 UTC - in response to Message 1694789.  

The four Rama books by Arthur C Clarke depict the Ramans as finding us, not the other way around.

it will be centuries before we go outside our Solar system! ;)


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Message 1694830 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 11:23:04 UTC

The way I understood the events in the Rama stories was that a previous disaster involving an asteroid strike had finally stirred the governments of earth to establish an early warning network including telescopes and space vehicles to prevent a repeat. One of the telescopes detected Rama and when it was determined that Rama wasn't a natural object one of the space ships was sent to intercept it. During the course of that mission it was determined that Rama was some sort of a space ark and that Rama wasn't sent to look for us and was only using the sun to alter it's trajectory to get to it's destination. They initially weren't aware of our presence and it was only after astronauts had boarded Rama they took an interest in us and came back centuries later.

To me that is a very likely scenario.
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Message 1694962 - Posted: 24 Jun 2015, 4:05:34 UTC - in response to Message 1694830.  

The way I understood the events in the Rama stories was that a previous disaster involving an asteroid strike had finally stirred the governments of earth to establish an early warning network including telescopes and space vehicles to prevent a repeat. One of the telescopes detected Rama and when it was determined that Rama wasn't a natural object one of the space ships was sent to intercept it. During the course of that mission it was determined that Rama was some sort of a space ark and that Rama wasn't sent to look for us and was only using the sun to alter it's trajectory to get to it's destination. They initially weren't aware of our presence and it was only after astronauts had boarded Rama they took an interest in us and came back centuries later.

To me that is a very likely scenario.


Sounds like a good book.
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