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Message 1873528 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 5:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 1873523.  
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I started out Cuda50 running 3 tasks/GPU, as I have forever. Then ran 3/gpu Sog for a bit (hence the long run times). Now down to 2 tasks/gpu and have 1 AP running on the CPU I'm trying to get pushed through. The 2 GPU tasks running in parallel, 1 is with default tuning, the second is with your suggested tuning. Watching to see how that performs, then see how the box does with 2/ tuned, watch for restarts, and will later back that down to 1/ for comparison.

With low power GPUs, the only advantage of running 2 at a time is that the 15-20sec startup time where the GPU isn't crunching yet is offset by the other WU that is being processed. Overall, the GPU output is about the same as 1 at a time, except you loose the output from that second CPU core that's required. So the end result is (slightly) less WUs per hour. The big advantage of 1 at t time is that you never get a mix of WUs on the 1 GPU- ie 1 GBT and 1 Arecibo. When that happens, the Arecibo crunching time can be as much as triple it's usual run time.
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Message 1873529 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 6:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1873528.  

With low power GPUs, the only advantage of running 2 at a time is that the 15-20sec startup time where the GPU isn't crunching yet is offset by the other WU that is being processed. Overall, the GPU output is about the same as 1 at a time, except you loose the output from that second CPU core that's required. So the end result is (slightly) less WUs per hour. The big advantage of 1 at t time is that you never get a mix of WUs on the 1 GPU- ie 1 GBT and 1 Arecibo. When that happens, the Arecibo crunching time can be as much as triple it's usual run time.

Interesting question will be what it looks like with a mix of GPUs, as most of my boxes run 1-980 and 2-750tis, due to power/heat issues. Not aware of a way to tune each GPU individually ...
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Message 1874355 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 23:43:52 UTC

I ran into a major problem when my machine went south on 14 June. If you downloaded the FREE Win 10 pro and you have to do a major hardware upgrade, YOU CANNOT ACTIVE under the same product key as you could with Win 7. I went through multiple installs with an i7/950 & an i7/440K using the initial key. If you try you will get a NOT VALID WINDOWS message, so I had to bite the bullet and buy a USB install stick. It seems that retail OEM install DVDs that are the only ones that are available now days as they stopped with the install DVDs.


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Message 1874356 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 23:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 1874355.  

I ran into a major problem when my machine went south on 14 June. If you downloaded the FREE Win 10 pro and you have to do a major hardware upgrade, YOU CANNOT ACTIVE under the same product key as you could with Win 7. I went through multiple installs with an i7/950 & an i7/440K using the initial key. If you try you will get a NOT VALID WINDOWS message, so I had to bite the bullet and buy a USB install stick. It seems that retail OEM install DVDs that are the only ones that are available now days as they stopped with the install DVDs.

M$ want you to download the iso and pay for the product directly from them these days. ;-)

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Message 1874361 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 0:09:57 UTC - in response to Message 1874356.  

I ran into a major problem when my machine went south on 14 June. If you downloaded the FREE Win 10 pro and you have to do a major hardware upgrade, YOU CANNOT ACTIVE under the same product key as you could with Win 7. I went through multiple installs with an i7/950 & an i7/440K using the initial key. If you try you will get a NOT VALID WINDOWS message, so I had to bite the bullet and buy a USB install stick. It seems that retail OEM install DVDs that are the only ones that are available now days as they stopped with the install DVDs.

M$ want you to download the iso and pay for the product directly from them these days. ;-)

Cheers.

Go clean and Linux!

Works very well... No need for the incessent upgrade jingoism!!

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Message 1874395 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 6:51:09 UTC

I am getting regular kernel security upgrades from OpenSuSE, after which I have two reboot my two Linux boxes. But once they sent me a whole new OS, Tumbleweed, which resulted in canceling the contains of a USB cartridge in which I had saved personal data. I am now struggling with the Creators Update on my Windows 10 PC, which goes on rebooting. I have run all UEFI tests provided by HP on a Pavilion 152-ea, which is immaculate from a HW point of view. It runs SETI@home GPU tasks on its GTX 1050 Ti board.
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Message 1875406 - Posted: 27 Jun 2017, 23:35:22 UTC

Really, the 'next' Windows 10 gets to be yet again more secure (or less holey)???...


Microsoft: We'll beef up security in Windows 10 Creators Edition Fall Update

EMETs? I've had a few

The next big update to Windows 10 Creators Edition is out in the Fall – and Redmond is hyping up its security chops...



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Message 1875409 - Posted: 27 Jun 2017, 23:44:34 UTC
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If you are a Skyper: Damned if you do and damned if you don't:


Make sure your Skype is up to date because FYI there's a nasty hole in it

Nothing to see here, says Microsoft, just more crappy code

Infosec researchers have discovered a nasty and exploitable security vulnerability in older versions of Skype on Windows...

... on Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 10. In Skype v7.37 the vulnerability is patched...



Microsoft recommends you ignore Microsoft-recommended update

... waves at customers saying 'don't break Skype'

Earlier this month, Microsoft gave the world .NET Framework 4.7 and urged users to install it for the usual reasons: more fun bits to play with and security improvements.

But two days later the company urged Exchange users not to install it ASAP...



Microsoft says Skype outages are over – a few hours too early

Global Skype outages spill over onto a second day...



Regardless of who or how, this sort of thing really badly just so lowers everyones' expectations that the whole of the IT world is regardless just branded by all users as a total fail.

Reboot yet again and try again? How many hours have we all suffered with that one?!


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Message 1877305 - Posted: 7 Jul 2017, 20:40:00 UTC

Just noticed M$ is still trying to push KB2976978 in the updates............I don't think so.

The only device I have running Win10 is my Tablet and I hate it.............much prefer 7 or 8.1 and will live in those environments until they pry my cold dead fingers from the keyboard.............." : |

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Message 1877380 - Posted: 8 Jul 2017, 1:15:43 UTC - in response to Message 1873529.  

Interesting question will be what it looks like with a mix of GPUs, as most of my boxes run 1-980 and 2-750tis, due to power/heat issues. Not aware of a way to tune each GPU individually ...


You are supposed to be able to do that tuning individually in both stock seti and in Lunatics. Its in the mb*sog readme. Search for "For device-specific settings in multi-GPU systems".

I have not been able to convince myself that it works either in stock seti or when you add it to the "app_info.xml" file in Lunatics Distro. Had a thread going here.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81597

In theory, the stock seti setup isn't "tricky" but I couldn't convince myself I had gotten it working. Then the need to run the Gtx 1060 / Gtx 750 Ti went away so I no longer even have a motivation to try.

Integrating it into the Lunatic's app_info.xml file is tricky and detailed oriented. It helps a lot if you actually understand the xml code forward and backwards.

I hope someone can both get it to work and make a convincing report of it working.

I wish you well.

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Message 1877386 - Posted: 8 Jul 2017, 1:40:50 UTC - in response to Message 1877380.  

Interesting question will be what it looks like with a mix of GPUs, as most of my boxes run 1-980 and 2-750tis, due to power/heat issues. Not aware of a way to tune each GPU individually ...


You are supposed to be able to do that tuning individually in both stock seti and in Lunatics. Its in the mb*sog readme. Search for "For device-specific settings in multi-GPU systems".
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I wish you well.

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Suppose I should get after that at some point. In a bit of a drought here, due to being down from 5 crunchers to 2 due to a combination of excess summer power charges and hardware issues, and not really motivated at the moment. Last few times I've touched anything has been a disaster, so I'm waiting for the bad karma to dissipate :)
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Message 1878748 - Posted: 17 Jul 2017, 15:44:33 UTC

And if there weren't enough reasons to love Win 10, here's yet another one:

Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

Get out the flyswatter, MS, and just keep smashing those bugs... *rolleyes*

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Message 1879067 - Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 17:04:48 UTC - in response to Message 1878748.  
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And if there weren't enough reasons to love Win 10, here's yet another one:

Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

Also cut for those few on all but the latest even fewer Windows Phones:

Got a Windows Phone 8 mobe? It's now officially obsolete. Here's why...
Microsoft pulls the plug on support for dedicated smartphone OS...

... this is by no means the end of Microsoft's support for mobile phones. Microsoft continues to sell three different models of Lumia phones as branded devices, and Redmond has maintained that Windows 10 Mobile will be part of the planned "OneCore" platform strategy going forward.



Note the "Windows 10 Mobile will be part of the planned "OneCore" platform strategy going forward"... Be ready for change?...



A curious radical change and a non-change are:

Ubuntu Linux now on Windows Store
Microsoft finally confirmed that Hell has indeed frozen over – Ubuntu is at long last available from the Windows Store...


Get out the flyswatter, MS, and just keep smashing those bugs... *rolleyes*

Yep. We have Microsoft as usual... Would you trust your own eyes to such fell strangeness?...

It's July 2017 – and your expensive HoloLens can be pwned over Wi-Fi
Patch Tuesday Microsoft's HoloLens may only be in the hands of developers, but that hasn't stopped researchers from finding major security holes in the augmented reality headset.

Critical fixes for HoloLens were among the 57 CVE-listed flaws Redmond had to address in this month's edition of Patch Tuesday. Of the 57 bugs blasted in various Microsoft products, 19 are listed as critical and 24 could potentially allow for remote code execution. Four vulnerabilities were disclosed publicly before today's patches landed, but none are being targeted in the wild at the moment...




What a strange mix!

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Message 1880065 - Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 15:04:46 UTC

Microsoft Paint and other apps are going to be discontinued by Windows 10’s Next Update

Microsoft is dropping various features and functionalities from its new build. In preparation for the release of the Fall Creators Update, Microsoft has published the full list of stories that will be removed or depreciated from the new build.

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Message 1880085 - Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 16:47:06 UTC

The wind doesn't blow in Redmond Washington.................it sucks!

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Message 1880244 - Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 5:32:49 UTC

More "bad" news from micro$haft .... They just seem to want to p1$$ off their user base!

Windows 10 is making too many PCs obsolete

Windows 10 will be supported until Oct. 14, 2025 — unless your computer has a Clover Trail CPU. Then you’re out of luck.

Microsoft released its latest Windows 10 update earlier this year. The name, Creators Update,makes it sound bigger than it is; it’s really a minor step forward. But about 10 million Windows 10 customers have to face up to an unpleasant surprise: Their machines can’t update to Creators Update.

That’s how many poor sad sacks bought a Windows 8.x laptop in 2013 or 2014 with an Intel Clover Trail processor. Any of them who have tried to update their PC with the March 2017 Creators Update, version 1703, had no success and were presented with this message: “Windows 10 is no longer supported on this PC.” Boy, that must have been fun!

Not the end of the road for your three-year-old machine, though. I mean, you could always keep running the last version of Windows 10 on your PC. It wasn’t as if you went directly to a permanent blue screen of death. And anyway, Microsoft eventually backed off some, announcing that, while you can’t update those machines, you can still get security patches.

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Message 1880260 - Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 10:56:00 UTC - in response to Message 1880244.  

More "bad" news from micro$haft .... They just seem to want to p1$$ off their user base!

Windows 10 is making too many PCs obsolete

Windows 10 will be supported until Oct. 14, 2025 — unless your computer has a Clover Trail CPU. Then you’re out of luck.

-SNIP-

Greetings,

Oops!



Seems Computer World needs to work on their website. :|

Have a great day! :)
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Message 1880318 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 3:14:16 UTC - in response to Message 1880260.  

Oops!

Seems Computer World needs to work on their website. :|

Have a great day! :)


Yep! Chrome thinks it's malicious also:
This server could not prove that it is www.computerworld.com; its security certificate is from *.e.ssl.fastly.net. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.

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Now M$ must of had a (slight) change of heart on MSPaint...:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16024356/microsoft-paint-windows-store-app
Microsoft Paint isn't dead yet, will live in the Windows Store for free ...
MSPaint will still be part of Windows 10, but Microsoft will be promoting and encouraging end users to opt for Paint 3D instead.

... As Paint hasn’t been marked as removed in Microsoft’s support articles, this means it will act like Internet Explorer in the upcoming Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. MSPaint will still be part of Windows 10, but Microsoft will be promoting and encouraging end users to opt for Paint 3D instead. Microsoft hasn’t provided a timeline for when Paint will be available in the Windows Store, but its appearance in the Store will likely trigger the removal part of Microsoft’s support for the app within Windows 10 in the future. Don’t worry just yet, you can continue making crappy artwork just like everyone has with Paint for the past 31 years.

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Message 1880483 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 22:20:59 UTC - in response to Message 1880318.  

... Now M$ must of had a (slight) change of heart on MSPaint...:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16024356/microsoft-paint-windows-store-app
Microsoft Paint isn't dead yet, will live in the Windows Store for free ...
MSPaint will still be part of Windows 10, but Microsoft will be promoting and encouraging end users to opt for Paint 3D instead.

... As Paint hasn’t been marked as removed in Microsoft’s support articles, this means it will act like Internet Explorer in the upcoming Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. MSPaint will still be part of Windows 10, but Microsoft will be promoting and encouraging end users to opt for Paint 3D instead. Microsoft hasn’t provided a timeline for when Paint will be available in the Windows Store, but its appearance in the Store will likely trigger the removal part of Microsoft’s support for the app within Windows 10 in the future. Don’t worry just yet, you can continue making crappy artwork just like everyone has with Paint for the past 31 years.

Or...

All a game of some very clever coercive Marketing that has bagged some free headlines for the last few days to announce a trivial update and to 'encourage' users to 'enjoy' the 'experience' of creating an account and logging into the "Windows Store Experience" all just to be able to continue using their own systems?...

You WILL be dragged (screaming or blinded or otherwise) into the 'Microsoft World'(tm) of the 'Microsoft Cloud'(tm) and the 'Microsoft Store'(tm)...

Good luck?...


Or... Is there any other way?

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Message 1880808 - Posted: 28 Jul 2017, 18:02:20 UTC

New Windows 10 Changes Revealed

The next Windows 10 update will make shutting down or restarting a computer a smoother process. It will also make it slightly easier to switch back and forth between a phone and a computer.

The changes are in the latest test build of the Windows 10 "Fall Creator's Update." That's the next twice-yearly update to Windows 10 that adds new features rather than simply fixing security and performance bugs.

Normally in Windows, if you restart the computer (or it's automatically restarted by an update), you need to re-enter your login details. The same thing happens if you shut down the computer and then boot it up later.

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