Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than hitting a close box on a advert once a day, and unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?

I think for some of us it's the principal of the thing.
We have something that works, and cannot stand the arrogance of MS pushing their 'latest and greatest' (in their estimation) upon us against our free will.
I don't want ANYBODY to make changes to my computers without MY choice to do so.

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Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than hitting a close box on a advert once a day, and unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?

It is defiantly a lot more work then just setting updates to never.

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So far never has worked well for me for many years.

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Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than... unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?

It takes effort, yes, but if you only want certain updates, and Want To Make Sure you aren't getting any of the others....

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Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than hitting a close box on a advert once a day, and unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?

To answer the question absolutely literally and specifically, yes. It does take more time and effort than just closing the nagware.

But it doesn't actually take much effort. By now, I've got most of the KB numbers memorized, largely because they have shown up so many times. As I've said before though, you don't have to pour through every update that becomes available, just the ones that start with "Update for..." rather than "Security Update for..."

So that cuts down the ones that require looking-into. Once you've hidden an update, it doesn't come back unless MS updates it (which changes the unique hash for it, not the KB number), at which point, you just hide it again.


To add to what Mark said.. yes, it is a matter of principle. I have and like 7. I did play with the tech preview for 10 and I liked that, as well. What I did not know during the tech preview is that the system is so....intrusive and throws every bit of privacy that you thought you had right out the window. So on principle, I don't want 10.

7 Doesn't scan all of your emails, or index all the files on your computer--AND the contents within those files--and upload it all to "the Cloud" so that MS and advertisers can do what they please with all of it. When I search for a local file on MY computer in 7, it just searches the filesystem to find it--as it should. In 10, that same search goes and does a Bing search of the indexes that have been gathered and put into the cloud. There is literally no justifiable reason for a LOCAL file search to go to the Internet to run through a database there to find what you're looking for.

That's the main problem here. Yes, I will admit that most of the spying features can be toned-down or turned-off, but you can't turn them all off 100%. And MS has proven that with the updates that you have no control over, an update can just turn all of that back on if it so wishes to. Remember my post a few days ago about the "Immutable Laws of Security"? "#2 If the the bad guy can alter your OS on your computer, it is no longer your computer."

So that's why this "updates to avoid" list contains more than just blocking-out the nagging for upgrading to 10, but it also blocks-out the updates which add telemetry and data points to 7 and 8.1... to harvest all information about what you do, admittedly, probably not quite as bad as 10 does, but still. Before 10 came out, 7 and 8.1 only collected info on you if you opted-in to it. Now, they're trying to force it on everyone by being deceptive and misleading. That's shady, and I do not personally approve of it.



So, in summary, blocking updates does take some minor effort and vigilance, but ultimately, it is entirely optional and nobody is forcing anyone to be vigilant, either. It is entirely optional and voluntary. To each their own though.

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So, in summary, blocking updates does take some minor effort and vigilance, but ultimately, it is entirely optional and nobody is forcing anyone to be vigilant, either. It is entirely optional and voluntary. To each their own though.

...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

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Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than hitting a close box on a advert once a day, and unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?

To answer the question absolutely literally and specifically, yes. It does take more time and effort than just closing the nagware.

But it doesn't actually take much effort. By now, I've got most of the KB numbers memorized, largely because they have shown up so many times. As I've said before though, you don't have to pour through every update that becomes available, just the ones that start with "Update for..." rather than "Security Update for..."

So that cuts down the ones that require looking-into. Once you've hidden an update, it doesn't come back unless MS updates it (which changes the unique hash for it, not the KB number), at which point, you just hide it again.


To add to what Mark said.. yes, it is a matter of principle. I have and like 7. I did play with the tech preview for 10 and I liked that, as well. What I did not know during the tech preview is that the system is so....intrusive and throws every bit of privacy that you thought you had right out the window. So on principle, I don't want 10.

7 Doesn't scan all of your emails, or index all the files on your computer--AND the contents within those files--and upload it all to "the Cloud" so that MS and advertisers can do what they please with all of it. When I search for a local file on MY computer in 7, it just searches the filesystem to find it--as it should. In 10, that same search goes and does a Bing search of the indexes that have been gathered and put into the cloud. There is literally no justifiable reason for a LOCAL file search to go to the Internet to run through a database there to find what you're looking for.

That's the main problem here. Yes, I will admit that most of the spying features can be toned-down or turned-off, but you can't turn them all off 100%. And MS has proven that with the updates that you have no control over, an update can just turn all of that back on if it so wishes to. Remember my post a few days ago about the "Immutable Laws of Security"? "#2 If the the bad guy can alter your OS on your computer, it is no longer your computer."

So that's why this "updates to avoid" list contains more than just blocking-out the nagging for upgrading to 10, but it also blocks-out the updates which add telemetry and data points to 7 and 8.1... to harvest all information about what you do, admittedly, probably not quite as bad as 10 does, but still. Before 10 came out, 7 and 8.1 only collected info on you if you opted-in to it. Now, they're trying to force it on everyone by being deceptive and misleading. That's shady, and I do not personally approve of it.



So, in summary, blocking updates does take some minor effort and vigilance, but ultimately, it is entirely optional and nobody is forcing anyone to be vigilant, either. It is entirely optional and voluntary. To each their own though.

And I Thank You Sir For keeping us updated.
Much Appreciated!

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...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date,

+1

"Eternal vigilance is the price of (intellectual, sic;) Liberty"

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

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Grant
Darwin NT

...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

+1 lol
Otoh, apparently there are no issues with SETI Apps on Win 10, or we'd have heard of it.
Seems there's no shortage of PCs on 10 crunching.
So I guess no news is good news ...

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...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

Pretty similar sentiments I've heard from Ex M$ employees over the last year.

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...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

So...........start a new thread then.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

So...........start a new thread then.

Meow.

About 1,900 posts too late for that.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Greetings,

Perhaps the thread title should be changed to:

WINDOWS 10 - Just say no to Microsoft's spyware. lol

Me, I'm looking into going Linux all the way. I'm fed up with Micro$oft's antics.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

So...........start a new thread then.

Meow.

About 1,900 posts too late for that.

Never too late for the truth.

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About 1,900 posts too late for that.

And the the answer is which or both of the Yae or Nay?...


Baaa! :-)


Happy malware free crunchin,
Martin

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Wrapping Up: A Future of Forced Upgrades

The world has changed a lot since we first saw PCs. Now we are surrounded by smart devices that automatically get updates whether we want them or not, largely because of a combination of bug fixes and constantly changing security exposures. Recently, the GSA began to put in place policies that force all U.S. government suppliers to aggressively assure all parts of their business from the citizenship and background of workers to the source and content of their software. This will quickly trickle down to every company that is in the supply chain of these firms. But it is very likely that in the next decade, we will face a security problem of national if not global proportions and that will force laws, and vendor liability, that will make keeping platforms current not only more acceptable but potentially illegal to avoid.

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...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

Actually, what is being posted is exactly in relation to what the thread was created for. When I created this thread it was to get the opinions and experiences of those of us who installed the malware, now known as Win 10, whether the opinions were either positive or negative. Even though there have been few positive posts to this thread, the majority of posts have been in the negative. If M$S had not forced updates on every version of 10, except for Enterprise, and if M$S did not pulled the wool over everyone's eyes when it came to the security an end-users machine in regards to the privacy of that end-user, I think the outcome would have been completely different.

I installed this malware on my machine on 30 July and deeply regretted it. It corrupted the machine so badly that I could not even revert back to Win 7 via the process provided by M$S. I had to do a complete fresh install of Win 7 on 31 July, with the saving grace being that my data was saved, including BOINC, because it resides on a separate physical drive (D:). So the system drive (C:) and the backup drive (E:) had to be completely reformatted to be of any use.

I am a retired IT professional, in my 70s, and unless M$S comes to its' senses, I may have to learn a completely new OS and it's associated languages and software. As it is now Win 7 will be like XP and will last until HE@ll freezes over. As it stands at this point is time, I may not be able to upgrade my CPU beyond Skylake because M$S changed hardware requirements for supporting older versions of Windows, by only supporting new silicon on Windows 10 moving forward.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-will-not-support-older-windows-versions-on-upcoming-pc-hardware.html

So HE@LL YES, it is continuing to be in complete relation of the intentions of its' creation.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

...but please, please, please keep this thread alive and up to date, cause it is momentary really the best resource for keeping your (my) flawless running 7s and 8.1s systems relatively clean - very much appreciated - thanks a lot! :)

It's just a shame that it now has no relation to what the thread was originally started for.

Actually, what is being posted is exactly in relation to what the thread was created for. When I created this thread it was to get the opinions and experiences of those of us who installed the malware, now known as Win 10, whether the opinions were either positive or negative. Even though there have been few positive posts to this thread, the majority of posts have been in the negative. If M$S had not forced updates on every version of 10, except for Enterprise, and if M$S did not pulled the wool over everyone's eyes when it came to the security an end-users machine in regards to the privacy of that end-user, I think the outcome would have been completely different.

I installed this malware on my machine on 30 July and deeply regretted it. It corrupted the machine so badly that I could not even revert back to Win 7 via the process provided by M$S. I had to do a complete fresh install of Win 7 on 31 July, with the saving grace being that my data was saved, including BOINC, because it resides on a separate physical drive (D:). So the system drive (C:) and the backup drive (E:) had to be completely reformatted to be of any use.

I am a retired IT professional, in my 70s, and unless M$S comes to its' senses, I may have to learn a completely new OS and it's associated languages and software. As it is now Win 7 will be like XP and will last until HE@ll freezes over. As it stands at this point is time, I may not be able to upgrade my CPU beyond Skylake because M$S changed hardware requirements for supporting older versions of Windows, by only supporting new silicon on Windows 10 moving forward.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-will-not-support-older-windows-versions-on-upcoming-pc-hardware.html

So HE@LL YES, it is continuing to be in complete relation of the intentions of its' creation.

+1

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I completely agree that 99.999999999 % of all the posts here are excatley what you wanted everybody giving their feedback after trying win10 and as far as I am concerned from everything I have read here and experienced myself we cannot all be wrong M$ has so completely removed itself from the real world that I cannot describe it. I did try win10(spare drive and oem win 7 key) and did not like the attempt to blend mobile and desktop(it failed with 8 as well) and once I found out about the privacy INVASIONS and DATA THEFT that was the end but 1 big problem when I rolled back to 7 it messed with my primary drive and I had to do a reinstall of 7 and 2 days later I had to change my product key because the key it was showing(M$ tool) was like nothing I had in my posession I could not possibly have mis-entered 25 characters(the entire key was wrong) so even then M$ was trying to force people to switch to win 10. In response I have been working with Linux Mint which is likely my OS of the future I tried Ubuntu as well but I like Mint better.So please everyone keep giving you opinions and try to tell people that you know or work with(I have given cosmic oceans list to 4 or 5 people that I work with to help them) So please tell everyone you know about this and maybe Bill Gates will come out of retirement and refocus his company if not then we will all be looking for a new OS.

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