I've installed KB3035583 to see if this one does the push-download on its own. I doubt it, but am testing this for a web-magazine. Arstechnica is saying that this update alone is responsible for the push-download.

But seeing how many of the diagnostic & telemetry updates there are, wouldn't these work together with KB3035583? Because that way MS can snoop on your system, see if certain updates are there yet, see if they downloaded the WinX upgrade files to you yet and if not... send them.

Anyway, I'll leave the update on my system for a week.
The message This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 is not correct as I don't see the GWX icon and haven't been nagged yet about WinX in any way or form. So I suspect that one or more other updates are required for this as well.

As I have responded to others here and elsewhere. It TAKES TIME for KB3035583 to pick up and show you the "Get Win 10" Icon. Sometimes 24 Hrs later it kicks in, sometimes over a week goes by. KB3035583 first goes over your existing hardware to make sure it is all compatible with Win 10. Then at some point it decides to show you the "Get Win 10" icon. So, be patient, give it time, the icon will show up.

It took quite a while for Vic's icon to show; but, it finally did show. As for all the other KBs that are Win 10 related, I don't fully understand what they do, or how they do what they do.


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Quite a thread, and quite a surprising response, for both those showing concern and to my mind, yet more amazingly for those (deliberately?) ignoring all concern...


Roll back to 2012 for a rather apt interview... The host seems to be a little disturbed about what he is hearing.

Are we really suffering government bullying from "extreme capitalism"? And our strangulation by computer is just one of a number of symptoms?


Spooky stuff for how the comments from 2012 look to fit uncomfortably closely here today for computing and consumer devices and our world around us:

YouTube: RT LIVE INTERVIEW 2012



Note: This no comment about any one operating system. More of a wake-up for what looks to be happening now... And very good show for how the presenter gets rather uncomfortably flustered...


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I've installed KB3035583 to see if this one does the push-download on its own. I doubt it, but am testing this for a web-magazine. Arstechnica is saying that this update alone is responsible for the push-download.

But seeing how many of the diagnostic & telemetry updates there are, wouldn't these work together with KB3035583? Because that way MS can snoop on your system, see if certain updates are there yet, see if they downloaded the WinX upgrade files to you yet and if not... send them.

Anyway, I'll leave the update on my system for a week.
The message This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 is not correct as I don't see the GWX icon and haven't been nagged yet about WinX in any way or form. So I suspect that one or more other updates are required for this as well.

Also don't forget there are a number of updates that make changes to the Windows Update service to ease the upgrade process along. I wouldn't expect 3035583 alone to make it happen.

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I think it's time we face reality. The best course of action is to go back to the ship and nuke Win10 from orbit. Only way to be sure. If just one of those 'things' makes it off of this planet the whole galaxy could be at risk. Hudson, make darn sure one doesn't get on the shuttle and make it back to the ship, that wouldn't end well for anybody...

After reading through this thread, I think I'm going to set up my NetVista X with the PIII and 768MB of RAM. I LIKED Windows 2000 pretty well and I have all sorts of software (full versions of Office Professional and WordPerfect Office and a lot of image editing software and a full copy of Acrobat and...) Then I just won't get on the stupid internet with it.

And it was all pretty quick with that processor and that much RAM.

Or a P4 with XP, 3GB, and no internet connection!

Do you think they can update through the electric grid?

Or do I just load Linux?

Linux installs and runs fine on any machine made in the last ten years. I see no reason to raid the closet and worry about Product Keys. It comes with the basic LibreOffice apps preloaded, you can install the rest of LibreOffice from the software center, along with the Free image editor GIMP using One click, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/

http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features



Thousands of Free Apps, No Product Keys, Installed with One Click, and No Antivirus contracts...

M$ has just sent me 9 'optional' updates, some look suspicious so I will wait for the jury of analysis to say yeah or nay.

One major problem I have with a total switch to Linux is Quicken. I have used the program for 20(?) years for my finances and reading there is not a reliable way to run that program in Linux. Some have tried various emulators but with little success. Any Linux gurus out there have a workable suggestion?

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Can crunching be configured exactly the same as in Windows? Multiple GPUs, both MB & AP on GPUs?, CUDA? If so, I would consider it. I use Linux Mint in a virtual machine for email and web browsing, but my impression is that configuring it for SETI@home is a bit of a nightmare.

Linux installs and runs fine on any machine made in the last ten years. I see no reason to raid the closet and worry about Product Keys. It comes with the basic LibreOffice apps preloaded, you can install the rest of LibreOffice from the software center, along with the Free image editor GIMP using One click.... https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/

After reading through this thread, I think I'm going to set up my NetVista X with the PIII and 768MB of RAM. I LIKED Windows 2000 pretty well and I have all sorts of software (full versions of Office Professional and WordPerfect Office and a lot of image editing software and a full copy of Acrobat and...) Then I just won't get on the stupid internet with it.

And it was all pretty quick with that processor and that much RAM.

Or a P4 with XP, 3GB, and no internet connection!

Do you think they can update through the electric grid?

Or do I just load Linux?

I still have a Pentium III with XP running.

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If you enter Finance into the Search field, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=Finance&page=1, you get;



Or, you can just create links to the individual institutions in a Toolbar folder in FireFox, most have online accounts.

For BOINC it's Exactly like configuring Windows Vista. You use One Platform per Machine. All the nVidia cards in one Machine http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_hosts.php, All the AMD in another. The app_info.xml is Exactly the Same in Any Platform, the only difference is the Name of the entries. Building the app_info is the Same in Any Platform, just combine the different aistub files into one. You don't even have to track down a Hidden folder, just open the BOINC folder in your Home folder and go to Projects.

There is a Linux program called Gnucash, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with experience using it. PM would be OK as I don't want to 'wander' the thread off topic with my personal problem.

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For the users who've been swayed to use Windows 10:
Here in the Netherlands there are reports that when you use a user account but have the Administrator account on the system as well, and you turned all the privacy stuff off in both accounts at Windows install... that you best check the Administrator account as apparently Microsoft is turning parts of the privacy settings for this account back on.

Perhaps also on other less used accounts.
One of the users ran O&OShutUp10 on all his accounts, and found that half of the privacy settings on his Administrator account have been turned back on. He mostly uses his user account on that system, for which the settings are all still turned off.

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Running my usual weekly manual Check for Updates this morning on my daily driver (Win Vista), I find the offer of an optional update, KB2999226. Its title is "Update for Universal C RunTime in Windows".

On the surface, it seems like a perfectly reasonable update, intended to allow applications built by developers using the latest Windows 10 Software Development Kit (SDK) to run correctly on the earlier operating systems, like Vista/7/8/8.1 (but apparently not XP). No point in forcing third-party developers to use multiple SDKs to reach each OS. Makes sense to me.

However, then my paranoid side starts wondering if this update might also make it that much easier for M$'s own black ops folks to port some of Win 10's less savory "features" back to those older operating systems through future innocuous-sounding updates. M$ wouldn't really need this update to do that, I suppose, but methinks it certainly would streamline their process! ;^)

Any thoughts from the less (or more) paranoid among us?

One major problem I have with a total switch to Linux is Quicken. I have used the program for 20(?) years for my finances and reading there is not a reliable way to run that program in Linux. Some have tried various emulators but with little success. Any Linux gurus out there have a workable suggestion?

I know it isn't exactly native/ideal, but you could use VirtualBox and install XP in that in Linux to make an XP virtual machine (VM) just for Quicken. The good news is that XP doesn't need much disk space at all.. in the VM, you can set it to use a 4GB virtual hard disk and give it 256mb of RAM and it will be plenty happy with that.

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There is a Linux program called Gnucash, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with experience using it. PM would be OK as I don't want to 'wander' the thread off topic with my personal problem.

I've been using it for the last 4 years, ever since I migrated to Windows from eComStation and the finance programs built for OS/2. I find it does pretty much anything I ever needed from Quicken, MoneyCounts and InCharge. I like that it has double-entry bookkeeping since that is how I learned to manage finances back in school. You can import your books from Quicken for an easy account setup. It does online banking and also does a pretty good job with business banking needs. I think it would make a very viable solution for personal finance banking in Linux. You should download the Windows version and check it out to see whether it would satisfy your needs in Linux.

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Yes, it's in the Ubuntu Software Center under Office, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gnucash/. Which means it installs in Ubuntu with One mouse Click.



Looks interesting, I just installed it on the Bedroom machine in Ubuntu 14.04.3. I don't have time to configure it though, I'm contemplating moving a couple of CUDA cards to the other Ubuntu machine. I was going to wait until the Mac CUDA App appeared on BETA, but, it doesn't appear that's going to happen this week. It also appears the New Mac MB CPU Apps won't make it to main this week either...

Oh well.

I have an old HP XW8200 workstation that I'm going to install Ubuntu on and I'll put Gnucash on that to play with.

Another question, anyone have any experience with video capture and playback in Ubuntu. I currently use a Hauppage card as a DVR for recording, Does Ubuntu support that card?

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Linux installs and runs fine on any machine made in the last ten years. I see no reason to raid the closet and worry about Product Keys. It comes with the basic LibreOffice apps preloaded, you can install the rest of LibreOffice from the software center, along with the Free image editor GIMP using One click,
Thousands of Free Apps, No Product Keys, Installed with One Click, and No Antivirus contracts...

[OT] If you run an operating system without antivirus software in my opinion you are asking for trouble [/OT]

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Linux installs and runs fine on any machine made in the last ten years. I see no reason to raid the closet and worry about Product Keys. It comes with the basic LibreOffice apps preloaded, you can install the rest of LibreOffice from the software center, along with the Free image editor GIMP using One click,
Thousands of Free Apps, No Product Keys, Installed with One Click, and No Antivirus contracts...

[OT] If you run an operating system without antivirus software in my opinion you are asking for trouble [/OT]

Hmmm, I've run Macs for 20 years, mostly OSX, without any AV or any infections. Linux is similar to OSX. Here are the reasons Ubuntu gives for using AV;

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
This article applies to all Ubuntu versions

Why do I need anti-virus software?
Isn't Linux virus-free?

For the most part, Linux is engineered in a fashion that makes it hard for viruses to run (click here for more info). However, there are many reasons you might want a virus scanner on your Linux PC:
1) you are required to have a virus scanner installed by the terms of use of the company you work for or are doing business with
2) to scan a Windows drive in your PC
3) to scan a Windows-based network attached server or hard drive
4) to scan Windows machines over a network
5) to protect a Windows virtual machine from within the virtual machine
6) to scan files you are going to send to other people
7) to scan e-mail you are going to forward to other people
8) some Windows viruses can run with Wine.

Linux virus infections are theoretically possible.

Dang, it sounds as though the only reason you need an AV in Linux is to protect some Windows PC.
I suppose if you swap data with a Windows PC you might need an AV in Ubuntu...or not.

Thanks for that. Good answer and good giggle.

I gave up with "anti-virus" as a bad idea when first losing a WinXP system to a "false positive"... Far too much lost time needlessly rescuing that one!

Well over a decade later and still no anti-virus on any of my Linux systems and nary a concern.

The need for "anti-virus" really does seem to be uniquely a Microsoft phenomenon.


Usual note to appease the Windows evangelists:

No OS is completely immune from social engineering hoodwinking/conning a user to do 'silly things'. However, the software repository system used for the main Linux distros does make that social engineering (implausibly?) far harder for malware to get loaded to run amok. (And Apple have things severely locked-down but that is another story.)

In some ways, the greatest risk is from running Boinc! (And note that Boinc is very carefully and widely watched to prevent anything malicious...)


IT is what we choose it to be,
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