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Message 1725132 - Posted: 12 Sep 2015, 17:47:04 UTC

I'm reading on some Dutch pages that Microsoft has been pushing Windows 10 as a recommended update through Windows Update since July 31st, but as they say only on systems that use Automatic Updates. That's a lie then, as I don't have automatic updates, but manual. The last batch of 12 Important and 3 Optional updates is still waiting for my approval.

The biggest problem here is that the Windows 10 update isn't showing as any KBxxxxxxx update in Windows Update and so cannot be blocked there. Microsoft also says you can remove the files using disk cleanup, but this does not cancel the update and will at a later stage download all those files and try the auto-update installations again.
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Message 1725300 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 7:08:27 UTC

I think about upgrading my laptop from 8.1 to 10. I have read the last few pages of this thread and while there is a lot of talking about privacy, security, spying, etc., I didn't see much concrete here.

So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.
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Message 1725304 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 8:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 1725300.  



So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

If you get the Home edition as I did from 8.1 on a HP PC, you won't get the Remote Desktop Protocol which I need to see the VM consoles in vLHC@home, Atlas@home and CMS-dev, all CERN projects using Virtual Box.
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Message 1725306 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 8:15:51 UTC - in response to Message 1725300.  

I think about upgrading my laptop from 8.1 to 10. I have read the last few pages of this thread and while there is a lot of talking about privacy, security, spying, etc., I didn't see much concrete here.

So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

By default, any searches you do on the system are reported to MS, driver updates occur automatically- you can't easily stop them from occurring. Plenty more.
If you use an Android or iOS device many of these things already occur, but it's the first time that under Windows they have been enabled by default, and while they can be disabled (some of that requiring certain features to be disabled completely), doing so is very difficult as the options are spread out all over the place & often several levels deep.

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Message 1725309 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 8:31:49 UTC

Yeah, I know this. And as a long time Android user, that's nothing new for me. But as long as I can disable it, I don't really care.

For example, the default settings even allow MS to remotly connect to your computer and run diagnostic software on it.
So yeah, the default settings suck, no doubt. But you can simply change those setting, they are not hidden or locked. So that alone is no reason for me to say "W10 sucks" or "W10 is spying on me".
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Message 1725312 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 8:44:55 UTC

http://www.winprivacy.de/


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Message 1725313 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 8:51:36 UTC - in response to Message 1725300.  

I think about upgrading my laptop from 8.1 to 10. I have read the last few pages of this thread and while there is a lot of talking about privacy, security, spying, etc., I didn't see much concrete here.

So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

I have been using Windows 10 since day one on both my main machine and my laptop. As has been said, MS has gone the way of Android and Apple in that the default install means that MS sees basically all you do.

If you do a "manual install" this allows you to disable most to the "phone home" features.

Also I have used the free program from here

O&O Shutup 10

Which is able to turn off a lot more, here is my list
Green is off red is on.


Quite a list.

(I have since turned on automatic updates just to get whatever was outstanding, you can of course then use O&) to turn it off again till you are ready for the next lot.)

However once that is done I have found Win 10 is overall slightly faster and nicer to use than Win 7, and definitely a much improved look and feel from 8.1.

I have not had any GPU driver problems on this machine but it does have a newer GPU and my laptop never even tried to install graphics drivers, much too old!!

On the two crunchers I upgraded (both using older cards) I had to un-install the Windows driver and install the Nvidia one, that was before I had the "install drivers" switched off.

If you want to use Cortana, then you will have to sacrifice some of your privacy. It didn't interest me so no loss.

I have to say I am quite happy with Win 10 and would not wish to go back to 7. Hopefully a few others who have had positive experiences will post here.

Remember there is no rush, you have till next June to decide.
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Message 1725338 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 11:57:24 UTC - in response to Message 1725300.  

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So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

To my personal view and opinion:

Microsoft has overtly moved Windows to be an advertisement portal to literally take over your online AND offline world.

You must agree that Microsoft and whatever 3rd parties they sell you to have complete and total control of your online experience and all your work, contacts, devices, to persuade you to make payments.

All very coercively intrusive that is bound to end in tears.

Note especially all the proprietary secrecy and defaults to sweep everyone along by default...


All just my old-school opinion.


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Message 1725346 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 12:37:47 UTC

I still have that spammy little icon taunting me to click on it.
I shall not. Not even the 'important' crap, because I can no longer trust anything coming from MS anymore.
When the EU courts get done with MS and this latest round of malware they are sending out, they are gonna pay and pay and pay bigtime.
They did not apparently get the message last time.
This whole bit is gonna blow up in their face.
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Message 1725348 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 12:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 1725300.  

So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

If BOINC were to do something like this, you'd be quickly uninstalling it, scorching any remnants it left from your hard drive, while complaining out loud about it on any forum and tell all your friends and relatives to steer away from the program.

So why allow your operating system to do it? Why is it then all right?
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Message 1725354 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:01:17 UTC - in response to Message 1725348.  

So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

If BOINC were to do something like this, you'd be quickly uninstalling it, scorching any remnants it left from your hard drive, while complaining out loud about it on any forum and tell all your friends and relatives to steer away from the program.

So why allow your operating system to do it? Why is it then all right?

It isn't.
You are precisely correct.
I paid for the OS once. I now own it. And should be done paying for it.
Like I said, the courts have chastised MS for hiding and lying and cheating with ransomware. That is what this is. Trying to hold every computer in hock as a money making scheme. The entire world knows it now.

And they, I hope, are not going to get away with it this time.
XP still works fine on 8 of my crunching rigs. They are not allowed to even think about updates. If and when I have a hardware failure, I can still reload from disk. And carry on, because I paid for the license once, and shall not again.
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Message 1725363 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 1725348.  
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So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

If BOINC were to do something like this, you'd be quickly uninstalling it, scorching any remnants it left from your hard drive, while complaining out loud about it on any forum and tell all your friends and relatives to steer away from the program.

So why allow your operating system to do it? Why is it then all right?

Sorry but what exactly are you talking about? If BOINC would do what?

And Mark, I don't understand you either. You say you "should be done paying for it". You are, aren't you? Who would want you to pay again? And Ransomware in Windows? Srsly?
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Message 1725365 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:18:33 UTC - in response to Message 1725363.  

So pls, short & precisly, what exactly does concern you with W10? Give me a few concrete examples pls.

If BOINC were to do something like this, you'd be quickly uninstalling it, scorching any remnants it left from your hard drive, while complaining out loud about it on any forum and tell all your friends and relatives to steer away from the program.

So why allow your operating system to do it? Why is it then all right?

Sorry but what exactly are you talking about? If BOINC would do what?

And Mark, I don't understand you either. You say you "should be done paying for it". You are, aren't you? Who would want you to pay again?

Apparently, according to some accounts of those afflicted with the MS 10 virus, MS wants them to.
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Message 1725369 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:25:18 UTC - in response to Message 1725363.  

Sorry but what exactly are you talking about? If BOINC would do what?

In your own words:
I have read the last few pages of this thread and while there is a lot of talking about privacy, security, spying, etc. {snip}

What if BOINC were to step in on your privacy, security, would spy on you?
What if BOINC were to gather information about anything on your hard drives and send that anonymously to Berkeley for storage and use by themselves and third party companies?
What if BOINC were to gather information on anything you did with your computer, any movements your mouse made, any keys you hit, and send that anonymously to Berkeley for storage and use by themselves and third party companies?
What if BOINC were to use your webcam to make images of you and send those to Berkeley for storage and use by themselves and third party companies?
What if BOINC were to secretly download a full image of itself onto computers of yours that have an older version of BOINC installed, that you do not want to upgrade and have not given Berkeley permission to install anything on to either? What if this BOINC image would try to install itself onto those computers each time you rebooted?

Aside from the webcam images (that we know of), all of the above are things WinX does by default and is being excused by lots of its fans. So I guess they won't have a problem with BOINC, or any program they now install, doing all of that then as well.
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Message 1725371 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:35:21 UTC
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Come on. You can disable most of that during installation already. And for older windows downloading W10 files, AFAIK that only happens when automatic updates are enabled.

BTW: I highly doubt MS runs Keyloggers or analyzes mouse movements. Where did you get that from??
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Message 1725372 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 1725369.  

If Boinc did any of those things, it would have been excised from the computing community at large long ago.

Why then, accept such behavior from a basic OS????
Has the world been so dumbed down that this is OK?
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Message 1725373 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 1725371.  

Come on. You can disable most of that during installation already. And for older windows downloading W10 files, AFAIK that only happens when automatic updates are enabled.

Such BS should be opt-in, not enabled by default.
How many people do you think are smart enough to go back in after the fact and protect their security later?
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Message 1725375 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:43:41 UTC

I don't really see any problems with windows 10, it's just an operating system
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Message 1725376 - Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 13:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 1725375.  

I don't really see any problems with windows 10, it's just an operating system

LOL, just what MS wants you to think.
If you were not so delusional, they would be quite disappointed.
Have fun, buddy.
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