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Message 1719778 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 22:17:46 UTC - in response to Message 1719768.  

This was posted here some time ago.
It may not be completely up to date, but it worked for me.


Just uninstall, and hide the following updates, and you'll never be bothered again (until they push another upgrade update on you):

KB 3035583 - According to Microsoft, this update enables "additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications when new updates are available".
KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
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Message 1719781 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 22:22:33 UTC - in response to Message 1719732.  

I too only found one of these installed kb3068708 uninstalled it and 2 others kb3075249 and kb3080419 are listed as optional updates the other one kb3022345 I have not found anywhere yet. I do not understand why M$ is so hellbent on going after this unless as was posted elsewhere in this thread that they were asked or ordered to do it. These updates are on a list right in front of me so I will always look whenever there are any updates since my update settings are for notify only.
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Message 1719786 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 22:35:26 UTC - in response to Message 1719778.  

This was posted here some time ago.
It may not be completely up to date, but it worked for me.


Just uninstall, and hide the following updates, and you'll never be bothered again (until they push another upgrade update on you):

KB 3035583 - According to Microsoft, this update enables "additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications when new updates are available".
KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)

There is only one kb number in common between this list and the one given earlier. Does anyone know for sure which ones we need to look out for?
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Message 1719800 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 22:52:45 UTC
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Add these two to the recently re-quoted list:
KB3075249 - adds telemetry points to consent.exe (sends your UAC decisions back to HQ)
KB3080149 - UTC update for "down-level" devices (??? whatever that means. It's a 16mb update and modifies a LOT of files), but also, it says right on the MS page that it adds telemetry and tracking to help with the upgrade process.

My friend that just decided to go back to 7 from 10 asked for a list of KBs to keep an eye out for, and I dug through several pages of this thread and came up with this list:

KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149

I think one or two of those are for 8.1, but have a 7 equivalent with a different number as well. But as far as I know, that's the most-complete list to avoid that I can come up with at the moment. I might be missing one or two, but I think that takes care of the bulk of them.

Edit: I think I just found another one or two:
KB2957026
KB2977759
KB3065987
KB3075851

I think that just about completes the list. Some are 8/8.1-only, some are 7-only, if that wasn't simple to understand in my previous wording.
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Message 1719803 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 22:59:01 UTC - in response to Message 1719800.  

Great idea.
I was about ask to compile a list like this.
If anyone has to add something to that list, please do so.

Maybe this should be in a permanent thread.
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Message 1719823 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 23:59:48 UTC - in response to Message 1719800.  

Thanks for the list it will be a big help since I will need to re-check my computers but I will also have to check my in-laws computer since they are not very tech savvy and the computer place they normally go to are a bunch of a**$%^#s they think that M$ security essentials is better than Norton and have removed Norton more than once even though my father-in-law has told them not to. So thanks for the list.
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Message 1719870 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 2:56:24 UTC - in response to Message 1719607.  

Hi Raistmer,


My PC is MY PC,

Nope, not with Win10... It's just "This PC" now :/


All you have to do is rename it:-)
I did, no problems at all.

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Message 1719876 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 3:37:51 UTC - in response to Message 1719800.  

KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149


KB2957026
KB2977759
KB3065987
KB3075851

I removed and hid all the updates in that list that I had. I ended up "Preparing to update windows" for more than an hour. Hard power crashed it. It worked after that. I have the list in a text file and I'll check any updates against it.
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Message 1719883 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 4:36:05 UTC - in response to Message 1719876.  

I removed and hid all the updates in that list that I had. I ended up "Preparing to update windows" for more than an hour. Hard power crashed it. It worked after that. I have the list in a text file and I'll check any updates against it.

I Found that I had one or two of those in that list that had managed to sneak by me over the past 2-3 months (admittedly, the earlier ones, because I didn't do enough research back then). The update that added the diagnostic tracking service is the one that I believe was the culprit, on both my main machine and the laptop, after removing it and doing a manual restart, they both did "configuring updates..." just fine, and restarted. On boot-up, they both took absolutely forever (15-20 minutes sitting at an indicated 100% with zero disk activity), but they did eventually finish on their own and then I was able to log in. I went and checked with services.msc and that service was no longer there, so I guess part of the removal process makes it take absolutely forever.
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Message 1719884 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 4:39:00 UTC
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I'm assuming the five just added were specific to Window$ 7 or 10 as there were no such on my 8.1 machines. Good to have this list, I'm sharing with all I have warned and I have offered help in removal if needed.

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Message 1719918 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 6:27:06 UTC

My understanding is that some of them are for 8.1
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Message 1719928 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 7:34:32 UTC - in response to Message 1719718.  


It is a new world where privacy is fast becoming a thing of the past.

Few small bells when peoples got fired because of their facebook profiles seems don't teach the rest :)
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Message 1719932 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 8:06:50 UTC - in response to Message 1719884.  
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I'm assuming the five just added were specific to Window$ 7 or 10 as there were no such on my 8.1 machines. Good to have this list, I'm sharing with all I have warned and I have offered help in removal if needed.

My understanding is that some of them are for 8.1


Yes, some of those KB numbers are 8.1-only, and some are 7-only. The ones that are one or the other do the exact same thing, they just got different KB numbers for the two OSes

For example (Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (note: some google results suggest this may be part of the win 10 nagware upgrade, but it hasn't been confirmed)
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.


So on a system that has just installed every update without question, you won't find that whole list on there. That's not really a problem: if you can't find the installed update, then it isn't installed.

Using one of the other handy posts in this thread recently, the command-line option for uninstalling them, "wusa" (Windows Update Stand Alone) can be made quite handy by making a .bat file with that whole list of KB numbers, run it, and done. If the update doesn't exist, then nothing happens.

edit: since I started doing the color-coded list.. I figured I might as well just do the rest of it.

edit2: So as to be open and fair about the information I've mentioned thus far, you should feel free to check behind me for yourself to see what these updates do. The format for the URL is: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/xxxxxxx (purposely not a click-able link). Replace xxxxxxx with the 7-digit number.
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Message 1719950 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 11:01:58 UTC - in response to Message 1719607.  


My PC is MY PC,

Nope, not with Win10... It's just "This PC" now :/


It was "This PC" with Windows 8 as well.
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Message 1719956 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 12:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 1719718.  
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It is a new world where privacy is fast becoming a thing of the past.

Of course we don't like it, but I am not sure there is much we can do to stop it.

This is what bothers me the most.
Sure, most of us are very upset over this, and there are things we can do to minimize our web presence for now. The real problem is that every day, privacy is being eroded in one way or another from countless sources. Even where I live in central New Hampshire, cameras are going up everywhere. There are even some 20 of them throughout my work place, and I have one right over my head. They are in stores, at traffic intersections, toll booths, and just along the highways. Face recognition software is more and more wide spread. I can log into a huge number of webcams all over the state, country, and world. The gas stations I use track my debit card, and even they have cameras pointed right at me as I fill my tank with gas. Even without any computing device at all, should I somehow raise a flag, and attract attention, I could be found very easily. In many cases this has helped to find people who would do us harm, but none of us live in anonymity any more. The current generation is brought up with their data being gathered from day one, and they will never know what is it like to be unconnected. Every generation looks back to the good old days, and I fear that no longer will a child just be able to go out in the woods and play without that information being shared as a life path.

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Message 1719957 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 12:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 1719433.  


I understand that us power users are but a quite small percentage of the overall market and that the typical user either forgets to do updates for things, or they don't know what the updates do, or they get the notification that something is out of date and they don't know what to do and it scares them, so they just ignore it, which leaves a vulnerability open, and then they get a virus or some piece of malware and it costs them money to fix it, or they go and start bad-mouthing MS for allowing that to happen, when it was their own negligence that caused it in the first place.

So the simplest thing to do is to just make updates automatic. And how can you expect MS to make a better product for the masses without gathering some market research? Purportedly, that's what all the telemetry, keylogging and data-mining is for: to be analyzed for patterns to see if there can be an improvement in some process to make it less convoluted, or one less step to achieve the same end-result. That's progress and development, and I have absolutely no qualms with progress and development.

But the part that I do have a problem with is that you can't opt-out of it. In fact, that should be something that should only be enabled or allowed if you opt-in. The majority of people would probably never opt-in anyway, but it should still be our choice.


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Message 1719959 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 12:44:40 UTC - in response to Message 1719956.  
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Very good summary there.

The bigger problem and risk is with how all that gathered constant monitoring of our daily lives is used. And by whom...

Just for the one example of what I've seen for Windows... To me looks like what once was a graphics shell running on top of DOS now looks more like an advertising and user monitoring portal for Microsoft to profit from directed Marketing on their user base. All very definitely not for the good experience for the users. You have become the product for Microsoft and others to exploit...


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Message 1720036 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 16:54:17 UTC

Greetings,

Man, I don't know. I have become a bit 'gun shy' about these updates for Win7 now. Do I trust them? I do not trust Micro$soft any further than I can throw Redmond, Washington. ;)

I have been uninstalling and hiding all the updates listed here. I am keeping a Notepad document list of them. Which reminds me...

This morning I found that I had to uninstall an update for the second time: KB2952664. No idea how that one slipped through... again. :\

Now I'm seeing 11 more updates that want to crawl onto 'MY' PC with 11 more 'optional' ones. I have much better things to do than to babysit all these fracking updates Micro$oft wants to push on us to screw with my Win7 and PC. LEAVE 'MY' PC ALONE MICRO$OFT!!! This is at least the second batch of updates this month; I'm thinking more like the third. That's what it seems anyway.

If this S*%T keeps up, I will be making some major sacrifices and going with Linux. I DO NOT want Win10!!! I DO NOT want BIG Brother watching my every move, online. What I do online is my business and mine alone. As long as I am not doing anything illegal, no one else has any say as to what I can or cannot do online. ESPECIALLY MICRO$OFT!!! :|

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Message 1720039 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 17:01:43 UTC

One of these days we'll get Service Pack 2 for Windows 7, with all those goodies and more default included. Of course. :)
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Message 1720047 - Posted: 29 Aug 2015, 17:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 1720041.  

But that's not Service Pack 2. That's just the data collection and only part of it. I've read and followed the thread till so far, no need to recap for me.

A service pack under Windows holds all the updates since the last service pack, or the last cumulative update. So if Microsoft decides to push a service pack our way, all the above will be included. No choice on whether you want it installed, it'll be installed. Although you probably do have the chance to uninstall the individual updates you don't want.
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