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Message 1717424 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 17:47:38 UTC

Amazon has merchants with Win7 Pro SP1 64 and 32 bit OS available still with COA included @ $66.00 US ea. But I wouldn't wait too long..........Hmmmmmm, maybe I should buy them all and then charge a 'reasonable markup' to those interested.....naw, too much work for a retired old fart.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/main/ref=olp_merch_name_2?ie=UTF8&asin=B00VWEBG06&isAmazonFulfilled=0&seller=AEI3AWOOUTCDW

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Message 1717480 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:16:38 UTC

OK - Long story short:

Dad's HP laptop fan quit, BIOS states can't boot, need new fan. This is the second time we've had this happen.

So, instead of paying $139 for another new fan, we bought a new laptop. It came with Win 8, I just got through Upgrading to 8.1. 8.1 smoothed out the performance of the machine, which was pathetic on 8...

Zombu gave me a link to the Media Creation Tool for Win 10; used it, told it to upgrade system now, it said it Downloaded 10, (I don't know where), verified said Download and then promptly exited... No start of Win 10 installer.

Repeated process, and same result!!!

How do I find the Downloaded Win 10 and get it to install???


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Message 1717481 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1717480.  

Hi TL,
OK - Long story short:

Repeated process, and same result!!!

How do I find the Downloaded Win 10 and get it to install???


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Don't:-) Use the MCT to make a dvd of win 10, use that to install.

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Message 1717482 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:22:43 UTC - in response to Message 1717480.  

Why would you want to if 8.1 smoothed out the performance of the laptop? You ought to think that with all the extra surveillance crud, 10 would be a menace for that laptop.
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Message 1717483 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1717481.  

Hi TL,
OK - Long story short:

Repeated process, and same result!!!

How do I find the Downloaded Win 10 and get it to install???


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Don't:-) Use the MCT to make a dvd of win 10, use that to install.

Regards,

I did, and it's NOT installing... How do I find where it Downloaded 10 and start the installer???


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Message 1717484 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:24:28 UTC - in response to Message 1717482.  

Why would you want to if 8.1 smoothed out the performance of the laptop? You ought to think that with all the extra surveillance crud, 10 would be a menace for that laptop.

Because dad hates computers and tech to begin with, the Tile system of 8 SUCKS, and is too difficult for him...

I want 10 to restore the proper desktop functionality and allow him to be able to use the Start button in 10 to turn off the computer when he's finished using it.


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Message 1717488 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:26:53 UTC - in response to Message 1717486.  

Stop the Windows 10 botnet.

1.) Do Not login with a Microsoft Live account. Use a local administrator account.

2.) open up GPEDIT.MSC
>Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components

>>Data Collection and Preview Builds -> Allow Telemetry -> Set to Disabled
>>OneDrive -> Prevent the usage of OneDrive for file storage -> Set to Enabled
>>Search -> Allow Cortana -> Set do Disabled


3.) open up SERVICES.MSC

Disable the following three services (deleting them like some guides suggest are also an option but disabling them is better because you can see if they turn back on again, and find out what re-enabled them, if that should happen.)

1: Diagnostics Tracking Service
2: dwmappushsvc
3: DataCollectionPublishingServices


4.) open up REGEDIT

1:
press CTRL+F and type in Windows Search.
In the right pane, look for the value AllowCortana. Double click it, set the value to 0.

Press CTRL+F again, over and over again, until youve exhauseted the registry, for all "Windows Search" "folders" in the left pane. Sometimes there will be a value in the right pane called AllowCortana, and sometimes not. When its not, right click the empty space in the right pane, create DWORD (32bit) and type in AllowCortana. Double click the value once it is created just to make sure it is set to 0.

2:
do the exact same thing as above, but instead of searching for Windows Search, search for DataCollection.
In the right pane, instead of AllowCortana, make sure there is a value called AllowTelemetry and that it is set to 0.

CTRL+F and search again and again and again, just like above, add the DWORD value when needed, and set to 0.

FINAL STEP, VERY IMPORTANT

5. open up c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc
open the files called "host". Open it with Notepad.

copy paste the following into the file under the line
# ::1 localhost.
no spaces just put all the servers below, just under the line above.
save and close.
reboot the machine and you should be all set.

127.0.0.1 localhost
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain
255.255.255.255 broadcasthost
::1 localhost
127.0.0.1 local
127.0.0.1 vortex.data.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
127.0.0.1 oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
127.0.0.1 sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
127.0.0.1 watson.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
127.0.0.1 redir.metaservices.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 choice.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
127.0.0.1 df.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 telemetry.appex.bing.net
127.0.0.1 telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 telemetry.appex.bing.net:443
127.0.0.1 settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 survey.watson.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 watson.live.com
127.0.0.1 watson.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 compatexchange.cloudapp.net
127.0.0.1 cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
127.0.0.1 a-0001.a-msedge.net
127.0.0.1 statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
127.0.0.1 sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
127.0.0.1 fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
127.0.0.1 diagnostics.support.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 corp.sts.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 pre.footprintpredict.com
127.0.0.1 i1.services.social.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
127.0.0.1 feedback.windows.com
127.0.0.1 feedback.microsoft-hohm.com
127.0.0.1 feedback.search.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 rad.msn.com
127.0.0.1 preview.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ads1.msads.net
127.0.0.1 ads1.msn.com
127.0.0.1 a.ads1.msn.com
127.0.0.1 a.ads2.msn.com
127.0.0.1 adnexus.net
127.0.0.1 adnxs.com
127.0.0.1 aidps.atdmt.com
127.0.0.1 apps.skype.com
127.0.0.1 az361816.vo.msecnd.net
127.0.0.1 az512334.vo.msecnd.net
127.0.0.1 a.rad.msn.com
127.0.0.1 a.ads2.msads.net
127.0.0.1 ac3.msn.com
127.0.0.1 aka-cdn-ns.adtech.de
127.0.0.1 b.rad.msn.com
127.0.0.1 b.ads2.msads.net
127.0.0.1 b.ads1.msn.com
127.0.0.1 bs.serving-sys.com
127.0.0.1 c.msn.com
127.0.0.1 cdn.atdmt.com
127.0.0.1 cds26.ams9.msecn.net
127.0.0.1 c.atdmt.com
127.0.0.1 db3aqu.atdmt.com
127.0.0.1 ec.atdmt.com
127.0.0.1 flex.msn.com
127.0.0.1 g.msn.com
127.0.0.1 h2.msn.com
127.0.0.1 h1.msn.com
127.0.0.1 live.rads.msn.com
127.0.0.1 msntest.serving-sys.com
127.0.0.1 m.adnxs.com
127.0.0.1 m.hotmail.com
127.0.0.1 preview.msn.com
127.0.0.1 pricelist.skype.com
127.0.0.1 rad.msn.com
127.0.0.1 rad.live.com
127.0.0.1 secure.flashtalking.com
127.0.0.1 static.2mdn.net
127.0.0.1 s.gateway.messenger.live.com
127.0.0.1 secure.adnxs.com
127.0.0.1 sO.2mdn.net
127.0.0.1 ui.skype.com
127.0.0.1 www.msftncsi.com
127.0.0.1 msftncsi.com
127.0.0.1 view.atdmt.com

Sten, I'm NOT even on 10 yet, I'm trying to get 10 installed, then this will be useful for me...


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Message 1717506 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:41:01 UTC

Just found the installer for 10 hidden and tucked away buried deep in some folders that were created with Unclear Text as to what the Folders and files were for... VERY BAD FORM... NOT AMUSED!!!!

It is installing now, as we speak.


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Message 1717511 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:48:24 UTC - in response to Message 1717506.  

Sounds like M$..

they love to do stuff like that so they can charge you and arm and leg to have a "professional" fix it for you...
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Message 1717512 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 20:52:18 UTC - in response to Message 1717486.  

nice collection of sites. Where you got it? (perhaps that place will contain additional updates too)
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Message 1717526 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 21:50:00 UTC - in response to Message 1717484.  
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Why would you want to if 8.1 smoothed out the performance of the laptop? You ought to think that with all the extra surveillance crud, 10 would be a menace for that laptop.

Because dad hates computers and tech to begin with, the Tile system of 8 SUCKS, and is too difficult for him...

I want 10 to restore the proper desktop functionality and allow him to be able to use the Start button in 10 to turn off the computer when he's finished using it.


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Perhaps this is a better answer than Windows 10.

http://www.classicshell.net/

Edit: I see in a later post that you are now installing Windows 10. Perhaps the link will be useful if it doesn't work out.
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Message 1717559 - Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 23:41:10 UTC

Win 10 installed perfectly. It informed me that it was the Home Version. (8 and 8.1 NEVER said what version they were.) So, we Upgraded 10 Home to 10 Pro for $99. It just finished the Upgrade. :-)

All I have left to do for the new laptop is install MS Office Home and Business 2013.

System seems to remain as smooth as it was on 8.1. This makes me happy; because, then my dad will be happy. It seems pretty simple to navigate around. I took care of ALL the privacy stuff mentioned here in this Thread.

One computer down, three to go...


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Message 1717582 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 1:03:36 UTC - in response to Message 1715199.  

Bernie Vine wrote:
Well I wondered how long it would be.

Got this e-mail today as I am on the O&O mailing list

A free tool to disable all the nasty windows privacy settings.

Only basic IT experience required!!

Windows Shutup

Free for now but?

Friend of mine ran that when it was mentioned here last week and said that it had a few more options than he was able to find on various write-ups and guides across the Internet.

And upgraded his laptop today and went and got that again for the laptop and apparently there are a lot more new options that weren't in the build from last week, so.. it appears that one is still being updated and improved.
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record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)
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Message 1717870 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 17:53:22 UTC - in response to Message 1717582.  

Bernie Vine wrote:
Well I wondered how long it would be.

Got this e-mail today as I am on the O&O mailing list

A free tool to disable all the nasty windows privacy settings.

Only basic IT experience required!!

Windows Shutup

Free for now but?

Friend of mine ran that when it was mentioned here last week and said that it had a few more options than he was able to find on various write-ups and guides across the Internet.

And upgraded his laptop today and went and got that again for the laptop and apparently there are a lot more new options that weren't in the build from last week, so.. it appears that one is still being updated and improved.

I installed this program last night, configured it to lock most everything down. Then rebooted to ensure the changes took effect.

Upon reboot, I launched Win Update, found some changes already made in there, it grabbed some Office Updates and installed them. Then relaunched this program to check status of Anti-Privacy blocking, and all settings I made were still in place.

Went back into Win 10, started searching and clicking things... Found that Cortana was DISABLED, YEAH!!!!! This program WORKS!!! I HIGHLY recommend it for ALL Win 10 users. :-)


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Message 1717917 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 19:51:18 UTC

How long do you think it will take M$ to just start rewriting all this stuff back in with every update?

It almost looks like one of those social experiments where they wait and watch what happens to learn what to do.
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Message 1717950 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 21:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 1717917.  

How long do you think it will take M$ to just start rewriting all this stuff back in with every update?

It almost looks like one of those social experiments where they wait and watch what happens to learn what to do.

Greetings J,

Would Micro$oft actually be able to legally do that? It would seem to me that if they change users settings to what they want, contrary to what the user wants, would tend to start alienating users away from Windows. Actually, I think I had read here that they are doing that now, to some extent.

I just cannot see that Micro$oft would actually take over users PCs by changing the settings. If that should start happening, I believe I will go out and get Linux.

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Message 1717954 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 22:18:41 UTC

LOL

Windows 10 privacy paranoia leads to ban from private pirate torrent trackers

Fears surrounding Windows 10's online connectivity and data collection are continuing to run rampant. The latest fallout is something that Microsoft probably won't be too upset about: some private BitTorrent trackers that trade entirely in pirated media appear to have banned the use of Microsoft's operating system.
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Message 1717959 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 22:40:43 UTC - in response to Message 1717917.  

How long do you think it will take M$ to just start rewriting all this stuff back in with every update?

It almost looks like one of those social experiments where they wait and watch what happens to learn what to do.

The game can be played both ways. Most of what Snowden released was already suspected by many. I've suspected Windows 8 since I installed it, therefore, I only place items on there I want them to see. I even go so far as to print veteranstoday articles as PDFs and place them in Windows 8.1, just so they will read them. *snicker*
I can imagine what my file must contain...
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Message 1717960 - Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 22:42:05 UTC

Also creepy, and of course not what you wanted to read, but knew it was coming.

Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can’t stop talking to Microsoft.

Windows 10 uses the Internet a lot to support many of its features. The operating system also sports numerous knobs to twiddle that are supposed to disable most of these features and the potentially privacy-compromising connections that go with them.

Unfortunately for privacy advocates, these controls don't appear to be sufficient to completely prevent the operating system from going online and communicating with Microsoft's servers.

For example, even with Cortana and searching the Web from the Start menu disabled, opening Start and typing will send a request to www.bing.com to request a file called threshold.appcache which appears to contain some Cortana information, even though Cortana is disabled. The request for this file appears to contain a random machine ID that persists across reboots.

Some of the traffic is obviously harmless. On connecting to a new network, Windows machines try to request two URLs (www.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt and ipv6.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt, the former over IPv4, the latter over IPv6) to ascertain whether a given network is routed to the Internet and if there is a captive portal in the way (NCSI stands for "Network Connection Status Indicator"). These requests are very bare, with no machine IDs or other data sent. If you want to turn even these off there is a way to do so, but the privacy impact is minimal.

Some of the traffic looks harmless but feels like it shouldn't be happening. For example, even with no Live tiles pinned to Start (and hence no obvious need to poll for new tile data), Windows 10 seems to download new tile info from MSN's network from time to time, using unencrypted HTTP to do so. While again the requests contain no identifying information, it's not clear why they're occurring at all, given that they have no corresponding tile.

Other traffic looks a little more troublesome. Windows 10 will periodically send data to a Microsoft server named ssw.live.com. This server seems to be used for OneDrive and some other Microsoft services. Windows 10 seems to transmit information to the server even when OneDrive is disabled and logins are using a local account that isn't connected to a Microsoft Account. The exact nature of the information being sent isn't clear—it appears to be referencing telemetry settings—and again, it's not clear why any data is being sent at all. We disabled telemetry on our test machine using group policies.

And finally, some traffic seems quite impenetrable. We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy.

We've asked Microsoft if there is any way to disable this additional communication or information about what its purpose is. We were told "As part of delivering Windows 10 as a service, updates may be delivered to provide ongoing new features to Bing search, such as new visual layouts, styles and search code. No query or search usage data is sent to Microsoft, in accordance with the customer's chosen privacy settings. This also applies to searching offline for items such as apps, files and settings on the device." This is consistent with what we saw (there is no query or search data transmitted), but also likely to run counter to most people's expectations; if Web searching and Cortana are disabled, we suspect that the inference that most people would make is that searching the Start menu wouldn't hit the Internet at all. But it does. The traffic could be innocuous, but the inclusion of a machine ID gives it a suspicious appearance.

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Message 1717987 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 1:24:05 UTC - in response to Message 1717954.  
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That's a good thing.

If you didn't pay for it, but it normally costs money, then you shouldn't have it.
LOL

Windows 10 privacy paranoia leads to ban from private pirate torrent trackers

Fears surrounding Windows 10's online connectivity and data collection are continuing to run rampant. The latest fallout is something that Microsoft probably won't be too upset about: some private BitTorrent trackers that trade entirely in pirated media appear to have banned the use of Microsoft's operating system.

Crunch! Crunch! Crunch!
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