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Message 1710980 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:05:01 UTC - in response to Message 1710721.  

I've learned that if you type Win U in the search bar at lower left you can go from automatic installing updates (bad) to Notify me there is an update.
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Greetings Tulio,

The only option I am finding is that I can schedule a restart instead of doing an auto-restart. I went from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit. I was also under the impression we had more control over updates than we do. It seems Micro$oft is dead set against relinquishing control of our PCs to us.

Luckily I have most of the privacy 'options' turned off and I do not have a OneDrive account. At least I have that control of my PC. ;)

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Message 1710982 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:10:44 UTC - in response to Message 1710980.  

Luckily I have most of the privacy 'options' turned off and I do not have a OneDrive account.

If you have a Microsoft account (e.g. a Hotmail, Outlook or (Windows)Live login), you have a OneDrive account.
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Message 1710986 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:17:40 UTC - in response to Message 1710982.  

Luckily I have most of the privacy 'options' turned off and I do not have a OneDrive account.

If you have a Microsoft account (e.g. a Hotmail, Outlook or (Windows)Live login), you have a OneDrive account.

It's like Google Drive that I never use.
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Message 1710989 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:19:06 UTC - in response to Message 1710924.  

The Above Boards are free to anyone that wants them.


I may take you up on that. Are they 16bit ISA or 8bit? How much memory on them? If they're 8bit ISA, I may put them into an original IBM 5150 PC when I get my hands on one.
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Message 1710993 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 1710990.  

Not to talk about the automatic device encryption where the encryption key, is held hostage at the MS spyware department.


This is not true. You are not required to store your encryption key in the cloud on your Microsoft account. You still have the option to store your encryption key on a USB stick as you've always been able to do.
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Message 1710994 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 1710986.  

Luckily I have most of the privacy 'options' turned off and I do not have a OneDrive account.

If you have a Microsoft account (e.g. a Hotmail, Outlook or (Windows)Live login), you have a OneDrive account.

It's like Google Drive that I never use.

I do not have an MS account (never needed it) but as a android user I do of course have a google account. Google Drive is nice to quickly move files between mobile devices and computers. I don't use it often and ofc I don't store any sensitive data there, but it can be useful.
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Message 1711000 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:40:39 UTC - in response to Message 1710982.  

Luckily I have most of the privacy 'options' turned off and I do not have a OneDrive account.

If you have a Microsoft account (e.g. a Hotmail, Outlook or (Windows)Live login), you have a OneDrive account.

Greetings Jord,

I have none of that so I have no OneDrive account. :P

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Message 1711007 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 16:58:09 UTC - in response to Message 1711001.  

Not to talk about the automatic device encryption where the encryption key, is held hostage at the MS spyware department.


This is not true. You are not required to store your encryption key in the cloud on your Microsoft account. You still have the option to store your encryption key on a USB stick as you've always been able to do.


On Windows 10 Home, which will be the version most people will use, "The BitLocker recovery key for your device is automatically backed up online in your Microsoft OneDrive account."

On Pro version yes, there are other options, but the average user will not install Pro.

The average user will not have a clue how to change the default settings anyhow. Screeeweed...


Well yes, the default is to save to your Microsoft account.. but you speak it as if users are unable to learn any other way. I agree that most probably won't, but the option is there and any tech friend can show them. My point is, there are options.
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Message 1711008 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 17:00:01 UTC

Maybe this has already been posted here, but better twice then never.


HOW TO DISABLE AUTOMATIC UPDATES ON W10 HOME:

Start Editor

Copy & paste the following in a new document:


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
"NoAutoUpdate"=dword:00000000
"AUOptions"=dword:00000002
"ScheduledInstallDay"=dword:00000000
"ScheduledInstallTime"=dword:00000003



Save the text document.

Right click on the saved file and rename it to Update.reg

Doubleclick this file


From now on you should get notified when new updates are available.



Source: http://www.deskmodder.de/wiki/index.php?title=Automatische_Updates_deaktivieren_oder_auf_manuell_setzen_Windows_10 (german)

Disclaimer: I didn't upgrade to W10 yet and haven't tried this hack myself.

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Message 1711030 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 17:34:07 UTC - in response to Message 1710989.  

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I may take you up on that. Are they 16bit ISA or 8bit? How much memory on them? If they're 8bit ISA, I may put them into an original IBM 5150 PC when I get my hands on one.

They're 16bit cards, since they have the 16bit extension on the card.
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Message 1711047 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 18:03:33 UTC - in response to Message 1711010.  

Not to talk about the automatic device encryption where the encryption key, is held hostage at the MS spyware department.


This is not true. You are not required to store your encryption key in the cloud on your Microsoft account. You still have the option to store your encryption key on a USB stick as you've always been able to do.


On Windows 10 Home, which will be the version most people will use, "The BitLocker recovery key for your device is automatically backed up online in your Microsoft OneDrive account."

On Pro version yes, there are other options, but the average user will not install Pro.

The average user will not have a clue how to change the default settings anyhow. Screeeweed...


Well yes, the default is to save to your Microsoft account.. but you speak it as if users are unable to learn any other way. I agree that most probably won't, but the option is there and any tech friend can show them. My point is, there are options.


The best option: Stay with your previous version. Microsoft is playing a dirty (on the verge of criminal) game, with this "free upgrade"

The EU commission will fine MS, billions of dollars this time, unless they remove all the spyware from W10, sold or given away for "free", within the European Union.

Windows 10, the bait-and-switch OS :-)
And it's getting even better:

'Free' Windows 10 Now Looks A Terrible Deal


"...The news comes from ComputerWorld which attained Microsoft internal slides that strongly suggest many Windows 10 owners will have to start paying to receive updates within two years. The key lines ComputerWorld discovered are:

“Revenue allocated is deferred and recognized on a straight-line basis over the estimated period the software upgrades are expected to be provided by estimated device life…. [The estimated device life] can range from two to four years."

"....Promising ‘Free Windows 10′ then delivering ’Freemium-Windows-10-Get-Your-Credit-Cards-Out-In-Two-Years’ would be a disaster and right now Microsoft’s ongoing silence about how everything works feels ever more suspicious."

Well it probably doesn't count spyware when they are saying "we are going to collect everything about you" in the license agreement that the user accepts.
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Message 1711048 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 18:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 1711030.  

The Above Boards are free to anyone that wants them.


I may take you up on that. Are they 16bit ISA or 8bit? How much memory on them? If they're 8bit ISA, I may put them into an original IBM 5150 PC when I get my hands on one.

They're 16bit cards, since they have the 16bit extension on the card.


Wouldn't it depend on which version he has? The Intel Above Board AT was an 8bit version of the card, as was the Intel Above Board PS/AT. I think the Above Board 286 was a unified 16bit card that would work in 8bit bus slots.
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Message 1711050 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 18:09:57 UTC - in response to Message 1711001.  

Not to talk about the automatic device encryption where the encryption key, is held hostage at the MS spyware department.


This is not true. You are not required to store your encryption key in the cloud on your Microsoft account. You still have the option to store your encryption key on a USB stick as you've always been able to do.


On Windows 10 Home, which will be the version most people will use, "The BitLocker recovery key for your device is automatically backed up online in your Microsoft OneDrive account."

On Pro version yes, there are other options, but the average user will not install Pro.

The average user will not have a clue how to change the default settings anyhow. Screeeweed...

Nah, to He** with this spyware.


"By default Windows 10 enables BitLocker drive encryption on devices that support it. The decryption key is then stored within your Microsoft Account. You can then view your encryption keys by going to http://www.onedrive.com/recoverykey which does require you to login with your Microsoft Account Credentials. Storing the key online is not required, but it is a good practice in case you ever get locked out of your computer and need to decrypt the drive to repair Windows. If you want to delete your keys from OneDrive you can do that from the link above as well."

See, it is the default place. And as we all know, the average user doesn't have a clue how to change the settings. So, MS have your genitals on an anvil, and the sledgehammer can fall anytime :-)
Screewed.....


"If you want to delete your keys from OneDrive you can do that...."

But are they stored somewhere else as well when first saved to OneDrive, and you only delete your copy? Even if they say they delete all copies, you cannot be sure that is happening. It does make you wonder about all the possible motives for saving your keys to OneDrive by default. I am sure one reason is to protect the user from his own carelessness, but are there others?

The most secure keys are the ones that have never left your possession. Of course we are assuming that BitLocker is secure and has no backdoor, but that is another subject that there are no real answers for :) .
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Message 1711052 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 18:12:26 UTC - in response to Message 1711010.  


The best option: Stay with your previous version. Microsoft is playing a dirty (on the verge of criminal) game, with this "free upgrade"

The EU commission will fine MS, billions of dollars this time, unless they remove all the spyware from W10, sold or given away for "free", within the European Union.



Um how? Its in the EULA exactly what they will do with your data if you choose the express settings and they give you the option to turn on more privacy controls to stop it. If users don't read the EULA then it's really the users fault and not Microsoft's, and yes the old argument that users don't ever read EULA's is true but again not something that Microsoft can control

It may not be morally correct in what they are doing, but the law doesn't cover morality

And to be fair, if you have an e-mail account, mobile phone, credit\debit card or even a shops loyalty card then other less trustworthy businesses already have your data, and the majority will be 3rd party providers to the people you signed up with, as these are the companies that do the data processing on behalf of big businesses


“Revenue allocated is deferred and recognized on a straight-line basis over the estimated period the software upgrades are expected to be provided by estimated device life…. [The estimated device life] can range from two to four years."


And how is the new?
It was always Microsoft's intention with Windows 10 to make it a SAAS product, you pay for the majority of SAAS products, even if there is a "free" period attached to it

And as someone that develops accounting software, deferring income and then recognizing it at a later date is standard practice in almost all businesses, especially when you want to get users bought into a product. In this case all they have done is to defer the income over 2-4 years which they are calling the "life of the device", not sure where the story is to be honest

Personally I think Win 10 is a great improvement over Win 7 and 8\8.1, now I've got it setup how I want it, with the privacy controls the way I like it its been installed on all 3 of my PC's
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Message 1711096 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 19:11:02 UTC

The whole privacy issue has been getting worse and worse.
They gradually ramped it up, so nobody would notice.

If people think, it is not important, then they should post all their credit-card details, social security number, date of birth etc. online and wait, until someone takes over their bank accounts, orders things with their credit card or tells your new employer, that you buy too much alcohol or visit porn shops or whatever may not be helpful for a good impression on a new employer.

We may not be there, right now, but we will, if people are too relaxed with their private details.

"1984" bad enough, but we do not have to volunteer for that.
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Message 1711118 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 19:49:45 UTC - in response to Message 1711052.  



And how is the new?
It was always Microsoft's intention with Windows 10 to make it a SAAS product, you pay for the majority of SAAS products, even if there is a "free" period attached to it



And when you do pay for it, all the information that Windows 10 has collected over the "service lifetime" and tied to an anonymous ID, if you used one, suddenly becomes tied to you. No thank you.
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Message 1711122 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 19:52:49 UTC - in response to Message 1711096.  

The whole privacy issue has been getting worse and worse.
They gradually ramped it up, so nobody would notice.

If people think, it is not important, then they should post all their credit-card details, social security number, date of birth etc. online and wait, until someone takes over their bank accounts, orders things with their credit card or tells your new employer, that you buy too much alcohol or visit porn shops or whatever may not be helpful for a good impression on a new employer.

We may not be there, right now, but we will, if people are too relaxed with their private details.

"1984" bad enough, but we do not have to volunteer for that.


+1
Complacency and it is "no big deal" by the majority is not a good thing to an individual's right to privacy in the long run.
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Message 1711130 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 20:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 1711122.  
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not arguing that it's a good thing, or a moral thing for a company to do, or that the right to privacy isn't important
Just pointing out that Microsoft are not some kind of evil corporation breaking privacy laws just for the sake of it, cackling as they imagine the money that's going to be rolling in the next time that 80 year old Doris logs into her PC

Maybe a bit more of a balanced, reasoned link than some of he others that have been posted here:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10s-privacy-policy-is-the-new-normal
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Message 1711140 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 20:34:12 UTC

There are certainly some advantages for collecting data to improve certain things.
It is not the individual bit of information but the accumulation of all these little bits of information, that is causing the problem.
Once they are out there, you have absolutely no control, who or what is collecting them and putting them together for whatever purpose.

It is like telling 12 different people one digit of your credit card number.Each single one cannot do anything with that, but put together???
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Message 1711142 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 20:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 1711130.  

Nice link, thanks. It does highlight what I've already said. Windows 8/8.1/10 should have been split as previously: - Windows Desktop & Windows Mobile.

Who the hell wants apps on their desktop?
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