so what sense is in it to release a new OS if nothing except the design is really new

It makes older software incompatible, that you have to buy new software.

Since Vista there is an option called compatibility mode.
You can change to XP if you have problems.
So not really an issue in most cases.
At least in Pro and Ultimate versions

Its just marketing thats all.

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so what sense is in it to release a new OS if nothing except the design is really new

It makes older software incompatible, that you have to buy new software.

But it hasn't. I can (and am) run software designed for Windows 98 on my Windows 10 system. The obvious exception are disk utilities, but other than that, I haven't been required to buy new software just because of an OS.

My SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition stopped running when I upgraded the OS - I can't remember whether that was XP to Vista (doubt it, based on the timings), or Vista to Win 7.

Did you conclusively figure out why? Or did you leave it at correlation is causation? Just curious. Sometimes patches are necessary to make it work. Or compatibility shims.

I've still got it loaded, but it's years since I tried to do any serious database work (pre-retirement) - Access 2003 is still my preferred quick hack tool.

From memory, the Developer GUI (Query Analyser and suchlike) continued to work normally, but I got lots of scary warnings that the database server couldn't be run under the new OS. I had a running Windows 2000 Server at the time, so I was able to keep development and storage separate but network-linked (which sounds like the best way of working anyway).

I'd have to know more about these specific 'scary' warnings to be able to advise. Most older software have problems with UAC once it was introduced. Compatibility shims can be made if none of the Compatibility Mode options don't solve the problem.

Hi Folks,
Just a quick update.......
Win10 tried 3 times to upgrade my Win7 ult TPMO3 rig.. borked it every time:-/

Took 5 hours of fiddling to get my original OS's back:-( That said it was successful on my 2 other rigs supplementary OS's...

And they crunch seemingly ok, WU validate, although there have been one or two invalids, 1 at least I know was due to changing a GPU without finishing the WU the prior GPU was crunching. So overall so far so good, Win 10 had updated itself a couple of times, and the dratted Xbox crud keeps returning.

However I've set my AV program to block some of Win10's reporting apps and so far so good with that too.. There is as the old saying goes more than one way of skinning a skunk:-)

In any event its still a case of suck it and see...
Anyone who isn't 100% happy should leave upgrading until fools like me have suffered through the early stages of Win10...

Regards

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Cliff,
Been there, Done that, Still no damm T shirt!

I've learned that if you type Win U in the search bar at lower left you can go from automatic installing updates (bad) to Notify me there is an update.
Tullio

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Anyone who isn't 100% happy should leave upgrading until fools like me have suffered through the early stages of Win10..

I agree with Cliff 100%, if you are "thinking about it" well don't rush there is still nearly a year to decide. I wanted to test it out and am glad I did as I like it and I had a 5 out of 5 success with the update even an old single core laptop!!

As with anything like this YMMV :-)

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Microsoft is going to have their hands full. I think it's about time they released an O/S that works without having the users as a "gigantic pool" of testers!

The real name of win 10 is win 10 NSA edition
I was at a local computer store today with ppl standing in line to get win 10 put back to win 7 and 8

oh Edward S....almost didn't recognize u!
how is life in mother Russia?
:D

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This thread has convinced me I should try to find a HP OEM key for Win 7 Pro 'cause,
I won't be going to Windows NSA Edition anytime soon...

lol

try on a job...I lifted all Win7 PRO keys from a work on a machines, 'cause we use Win7 Enterprise...so OS was reinstalled & all keys r valid!
;)

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non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU

This thread has convinced me I should try to find a HP OEM key for Win 7 Pro 'cause,
I won't be going to Windows NSA Edition anytime soon...

lol

try on a job...I lifted all Win7 PRO keys from a work on a machines, 'cause we use Win7 Enterprise...so OS was reinstalled & all keys r valid!
;)

Amazing what ha heatgun can do to a Key label eh? lol

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

I did the upgrade, and it went smoothly. I did take the precaution of disconnecting my 5 single TB drives, and deleting all my personnel files before the upgrade, so that there was no way anything would end up in the cloud. I did spend a lot of time learning the new system, and finally re-attached my drives and put my files back on. The old copy of Office XP, was no longer supported, and even barely supported under Win 7, so I got Office 365 for 5 computers/mobile devices for $100 a year. That went smoothly, except that when I uninstalled Outlook 2007, it hung up, and took over an hour to uninstall. The other issue, was that now that I had a Microsoft account, it forced me to sign in with every re-boot, and my Microsoft password is 15 characters long, including upper case. lower case, numbers and symbols. I can't remember that mess, so I have to keep it with me just to boot my computer. I think there is a way I can log in locally, and just sign into Microsoft when I need to, but I need to play with it more. Overall, with all the fancy NSA stuff shut off, I can do whatever I need to, but I don't see a clear advantage over Win 7. At leas the learning curve was much easier than Win 8, which was the most unproductive, non-user friendly POS I have ever worked with. (For those that don't know, POS is "Piece Of S##t")

Steve

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Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
GPUUG Website

BTW if anyone knows of a Win 7 64bit driver for a Canon LiDE scan 80 I'd be delighted to hear of it.

Probably not going to happen. Older scanners such as yours were specifically designed around an older TWAIN driver model no longer supported on modern OSes. Mind you, TWAIN is not a function of the OS, so this is not an OS issue specifically, rather TWAIN is a standard by the TWAIN Working Group. Due to the intricate inter-dependence of TWAIN drivers, OEM specific drivers, and the OS... as you stated previously, there's no money in spending development dollars making it work given newer scanners are relatively cheap.

BTW if anyone knows of a Win 7 64bit driver for a Canon LiDE scan 80 I'd be delighted to hear of it.

Probably not going to happen. Older scanners such as yours were specifically designed around an older TWAIN driver model no longer supported on modern OSes. Mind you, TWAIN is not a function of the OS, so this is not an OS issue specifically, rather TWAIN is a standard by the TWAIN Working Group. Due to the intricate inter-dependence of TWAIN drivers, OEM specific drivers, and the OS... as you stated previously, there's no money in spending development dollars making it work given newer scanners are relatively cheap.

it would probably work under linux just fine

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The other issue, was that now that I had a Microsoft account, it forced me to sign in with every re-boot, and my Microsoft password is 15 characters long, including upper case. lower case, numbers and symbols. I can't remember that mess, so I have to keep it with me just to boot my computer. I think there is a way I can log in locally, and just sign into Microsoft when I need to, but I need to play with it more. Overall, with all the fancy NSA stuff shut off, I can do whatever I need to, but I don't see a clear advantage over Win 7. At leas the learning curve was much easier than Win 8, which was the most unproductive, non-user friendly POS I have ever worked with. (For those that don't know, POS is "Piece Of S##t")

Steve

Yes, you can create a local account for Windows 8/8.1/10 machines. The default is to create a Microsoft account, but you can change that to local by following the directions outlined here.

BTW if anyone knows of a Win 7 64bit driver for a Canon LiDE scan 80 I'd be delighted to hear of it.

Probably not going to happen. Older scanners such as yours were specifically designed around an older TWAIN driver model no longer supported on modern OSes. Mind you, TWAIN is not a function of the OS, so this is not an OS issue specifically, rather TWAIN is a standard by the TWAIN Working Group. Due to the intricate inter-dependence of TWAIN drivers, OEM specific drivers, and the OS... as you stated previously, there's no money in spending development dollars making it work given newer scanners are relatively cheap.

it would probably work under linux just fine

Possibly. I wouldn't know. For the initiated, it's worth a try. I suppose you'd have to decide if spending the time making it work under Linux vs the money it takes to buy a new scanner is worth it. It would all come down to how bad you want to keep using old hardware.

Mind you, I love older hardware myself, so I'm not one to judge. It is up to the individual to decide.

Very nice sir! :-D

While I don't have Above boards on my 286, my particular model does use 30 pin SIMMs and can take up to the full 16MB of memory addressable by the 286's Protected Mode. It was a late model ALR that accepted an add-in card to upgrade it to 386-class CPUs, however I want to keep it at a 286. I do have a 287 math-coprocessor for it though! :-)

Very nice sir! :-D

While I don't have Above boards on my 286, my particular model does use 30 pin SIMMs and can take up to the full 16MB of memory addressable by the 286's Protected Mode. It was a late model ALR that accepted an add-in card to upgrade it to 386-class CPUs, however I want to keep it at a 286. I do have a 287 math-coprocessor for it though! :-)

heh i still have a siemens-nixdorf 286 with 8mb and a 20mb mfm hdd
We used to play football manager on it day in and day out

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

Yes, you can create a local account for Windows 8/8.1/10 machines. The default is to create a Microsoft account, but you can change that to local by following the directions outlined here.

Thank you. Now I won't have to search for it when I get home in about 9 hours.

Steve

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Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
GPUUG Website

Very nice sir! :-D

While I don't have Above boards on my 286, my particular model does use 30 pin SIMMs and can take up to the full 16MB of memory addressable by the 286's Protected Mode. It was a late model ALR that accepted an add-in card to upgrade it to 386-class CPUs, however I want to keep it at a 286. I do have a 287 math-coprocessor for it though! :-)

heh i still have a siemens-nixdorf 286 with 8mb and a 20mb mfm hdd
We used to play football manager on it day in and day out

I stuffed two Conner Peripherals 120MB hard drives in that 286! I currently use MS-DOS 6.22 on it with Windows 3.1 in Standard Mode. I'm thinking about downgrading it to DOS 5 since I don't have it on any running machine, or perhaps finding a copy of OS/2 1.2.

Very nice sir! :-D

While I don't have Above boards on my 286, my particular model does use 30 pin SIMMs and can take up to the full 16MB of memory addressable by the 286's Protected Mode. It was a late model ALR that accepted an add-in card to upgrade it to 386-class CPUs, however I want to keep it at a 286. I do have a 287 math-coprocessor for it though! :-)

heh i still have a siemens-nixdorf 286 with 8mb and a 20mb mfm hdd
We used to play football manager on it day in and day out

I stuffed two Conner Peripherals 120MB hard drives in that 286! I currently use MS-DOS 6.22 on it with Windows 3.1 in Standard Mode. I'm thinking about downgrading it to DOS 5 since I don't have it on any running machine, or perhaps finding a copy of OS/2 1.2.

OS/2 was actually a great os it's too bad it disapeared it had great potential

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

Very nice sir! :-D

While I don't have Above boards on my 286, my particular model does use 30 pin SIMMs and can take up to the full 16MB of memory addressable by the 286's Protected Mode. It was a late model ALR that accepted an add-in card to upgrade it to 386-class CPUs, however I want to keep it at a 286. I do have a 287 math-coprocessor for it though! :-)

heh i still have a siemens-nixdorf 286 with 8mb and a 20mb mfm hdd
We used to play football manager on it day in and day out

I stuffed two Conner Peripherals 120MB hard drives in that 286! I currently use MS-DOS 6.22 on it with Windows 3.1 in Standard Mode. I'm thinking about downgrading it to DOS 5 since I don't have it on any running machine, or perhaps finding a copy of OS/2 1.2.

OS/2 was actually a great os it's too bad it disapeared it had great potential

It lives on as eComStation². It even comes with OpenOffice.org productivity suite pre-installed!

Very nice sir! :-D

While I don't have Above boards on my 286, my particular model does use 30 pin SIMMs and can take up to the full 16MB of memory addressable by the 286's Protected Mode. It was a late model ALR that accepted an add-in card to upgrade it to 386-class CPUs, however I want to keep it at a 286. I do have a 287 math-coprocessor for it though! :-)

heh i still have a siemens-nixdorf 286 with 8mb and a 20mb mfm hdd
We used to play football manager on it day in and day out

I stuffed two Conner Peripherals 120MB hard drives in that 286! I currently use MS-DOS 6.22 on it with Windows 3.1 in Standard Mode. I'm thinking about downgrading it to DOS 5 since I don't have it on any running machine, or perhaps finding a copy of OS/2 1.2.

OS/2 was actually a great os it's too bad it disapeared it had great potential

It lives on as eComStation². It even comes with OpenOffice.org productivity suite pre-installed!

Now look at that ... that is pretty cool and their pricing is actually reasonable at 110$ for a 36 month sub on the home and student

even 220 for business for 36 month is reasonable

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