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Message 1662371 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 23:04:12 UTC

Intel Compute Stick dongle uses Intel Atom quad-core processor powered off a micro USB jack. Since it is Intel, I assume the instruction set is x86. If enough other CPU options e.g. SSE, etc. are included maybe this thing could be made to run SETI@home code.
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Message 1662379 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 23:43:22 UTC - in response to Message 1662371.  

It'll come in two flavors. Windows 8.1 and Linux. It is plugged into a HDMI port on a television. Has 2GB of memory aboard and will also have a MicroSD port for adding more storage to its native 32GB. Has USB for mouse and peripherals but also Bluetooth. The linux version is slightly less capable but cheaper.
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Message 1662391 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 0:18:46 UTC

Intel has been teasing with this since at least November, although they've been tight-lipped about the specs. I'm considering picking up one/both just for fun, when they've been released and in the wild for a bit (long enough for other people to do the V1.0 smoke testing). NewEgg just pushed the availability date back to 01 May. :(
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Message 1662410 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 1:13:03 UTC

Am I the only one who is missing wifi?
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Message 1662421 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 2:00:07 UTC - in response to Message 1662410.  

Am I the only one who is missing wifi?

Nope. If I can't plug a device into an Ethernet outlet, I don't own it. I wired my whole house with Cat6 cables several years back. I just can't bring myself to trust WiFi security.
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Message 1662481 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 5:55:17 UTC - in response to Message 1662410.  

Am I the only one who is missing wifi?

There are reasons for not using WIFI. Most of my devices do use WIFI but my main tower is wired. I have an application that needs to be on the internet 24/7 and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible. Using a cable solved that problem and it also is faster when I am doing massive data moves between systems.
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Message 1662592 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 15:00:35 UTC - in response to Message 1662371.  

Intel Compute Stick dongle uses Intel Atom quad-core processor powered off a micro USB jack. Since it is Intel, I assume the instruction set is x86. If enough other CPU options e.g. SSE, etc. are included maybe this thing could be made to run SETI@home code.

I've been keeping my on these since they started talking about them. As my old 61" TV only has 1 HDMI port on it I use a HDMI switch to run my HTPC & playstation to the TV. I currently have 2 free ports on hte HDMI switch. So if these turn out to be decent little things. I might get 2 to hang off of the back of the switch.
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Message 1662636 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 17:11:50 UTC - in response to Message 1662481.  

... and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible.

The Intel dongle will plug into the HDMI port on the back of my AiO PC.

Then I gotta' worry that the dongle & PC WiFi will clash. This is a weakness in WiFi.

Maybe someday the WiFi standard can be modified to CDMA, like 4G LTE. Then, multiple devices in the shack and the neighbors might get along, like the crowds of cell phone users.
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Message 1662666 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 17:58:27 UTC - in response to Message 1662379.  

It'll come in two flavors. Windows 8.1 and Linux. It is plugged into a HDMI port on a television. Has 2GB of memory aboard and will also have a MicroSD port for adding more storage to its native 32GB. Has USB for mouse and peripherals but also Bluetooth. The linux version is slightly less capable but cheaper.

Interesting thanks.

I've been running Linux on a dual core Atom system for a few years now. All very capable.

OK for the Linux version running on lower cost hardware...

So why can we not have marketed the full spec hardware running Linux and lower cost also?... (Or would that be too high spec to then shame other devices??...)


Is this where we all start to move to low electrical power and physically small but still very capable home computing? And away from the hot screaming days of the x86_64 hot days?

How much will that slow down s@h?...


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Message 1662702 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 19:40:03 UTC - in response to Message 1662636.  

... and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible.

The Intel dongle will plug into the HDMI port on the back of my AiO PC.

Then I gotta' worry that the dongle & PC WiFi will clash. This is a weakness in WiFi.

Maybe someday the WiFi standard can be modified to CDMA, like 4G LTE. Then, multiple devices in the shack and the neighbors might get along, like the crowds of cell phone users.

The HDMI port on your system is most likely an out to connect your system to a TV or HDMI display. ?Unless your AIO has an optional video capture device to feed video signals in.

Also the WiFi wouldn't "clash". Not any more than two notebooks setting side by side on the same network would. Cell phone carrier work on different bands. Which WiFi has in the various channels you can choose to run on. If all of your neighbors are all running the same channel as you. Then you are likely to have a bad time & poor connections.
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Message 1662703 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 19:42:48 UTC - in response to Message 1662666.  


So why can we not have marketed the full spec hardware running Linux and lower cost also?... (Or would that be too high spec to then shame other devices??...)


I just figure the old Wintel Hegemony is in play and any alternative hardware/software platform gets short shrift as usual. Absolutely no reason why the hardware shouldn't be the same regardless of the OS. If anything the Linux version should be cheaper without handicapping the hardware because the OS doesn't cost as much as the Windows license.

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Message 1662733 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 21:36:00 UTC - in response to Message 1662703.  
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So why can we not have marketed the full spec hardware running Linux and lower cost also?... (Or would that be too high spec to then shame other devices??...)


I just figure the old Wintel Hegemony is in play and any alternative hardware/software platform gets short shrift as usual. Absolutely no reason why the hardware shouldn't be the same regardless of the OS. If anything the Linux version should be cheaper without handicapping the hardware because the OS doesn't cost as much as the Windows license.

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The Windows one is coming with a specific version that MS lets system builders use for free. So the OS cost isn't actually a factor this time.
Who is to say that you can't blow away the Win OS and install whatever you like? Until it comes out and people can actually play with it we will not know for sure what they will have for limits.
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Message 1662764 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 23:14:04 UTC - in response to Message 1662733.  

The premium for the Windows version of $40 certainly is more for the cost of the 1GB of internal memory difference over the Linux version. I figured it more likely reflects a Windows license surcharge. As another poster suggested, it is probably that the Windows version NEEDS the extra memory to have equivalent performance to the Linux version which runs economically with just 1 GB of memory. It will be interesting to see what the reality of this product release will be when it actually hits the market. Surprising development of the free version for system builders but maybe not since Windows 8.1 users are already getting the free upgrade to Windows 10.

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Message 1662771 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 23:34:36 UTC

All the news that I've read about the Compute Stick have said nothing about using different hardware spec's for which OS is used so I don't know where some of yous are getting that rumour from.

Regardless of operating system, the Compute Stick comes with an Intel Atom quad-core processor, 2GB of RAM, 32GB of storage and 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi.

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Message 1662781 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 0:11:36 UTC - in response to Message 1662702.  

The HDMI port on your system is most likely an out to connect your system to a TV or HDMI display. ?Unless your AIO has an optional video capture device to feed video signals in.

Yup. Good point. In this case the AiO has 2 HDMI ports, one is IN, the other OUT. I know the HDMI IN port works good because I connected the DVR and played some video on the monitor screen.
But the subtlety is that the HDMI port is isolated from the PC OS. HDMI (developed by Intel) is supposed to be encrypted protected data flow so we can't capture those proprietary data streams on disk. And the Dell AiO enforces that - if you turn on HDMI it is like a separate monitor. You don't get to see anything but just the HDMI. And the hardware is not there to capture the data stream to disk. Intel didn't think it could be cracked, but finally had to admit it had been. Hard to refute the truth you know. ;)
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Message 1662782 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 0:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 1662702.  

... and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible.

The Intel dongle will plug into the HDMI port on the back of my AiO PC.

Then I gotta' worry that the dongle & PC WiFi will clash. This is a weakness in WiFi.

Maybe someday the WiFi standard can be modified to CDMA, like 4G LTE. Then, multiple devices in the shack and the neighbors might get along, like the crowds of cell phone users.

The HDMI port on your system is most likely an out to connect your system to a TV or HDMI display. ?Unless your AIO has an optional video capture device to feed video signals in.

Also the WiFi wouldn't "clash". Not any more than two notebooks setting side by side on the same network would. Cell phone carrier work on different bands. Which WiFi has in the various channels you can choose to run on. If all of your neighbors are all running the same channel as you. Then you are likely to have a bad time & poor connections.

The lower band of WIFI can only support 3 users (routers) because each user burns about 3 channels. However, one of my neighbors has a super fast router and it burns 6 of the available channels. My router is unable to use the higher WIFI band but much of my other hardware can. There is really no advantage to putting the tower on WIFI so I am going to save a few bucks and use an available cable where needed and the portable stuff isn't used that much around the house so an error or two isn't important. By the way, the MAC has a wonderful WIFI analyzer that find and records all the local WIFI stations. I have around 10 that can be found from my house and only one works on the upper band.
Believe me, I spend several days trying to find out why I was having problems and it was only after I found out how cluttered the neighborhood was that I understood the problem.
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Message 1662783 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 0:18:00 UTC - in response to Message 1662771.  

All the news that I've read about the Compute Stick have said nothing about using different hardware spec's for which OS is used so I don't know where some of yous are getting that rumour from.


The CNet review claims, "The Windows 8.1 version offers 32GB of storage and 2GB of RAM -- if you need more room, I was told that the microSD card slot on the right side can support cards of up to 128GB. The Linux version has 1GB of RAM, and 16GB of storage."

I haven't seen anything from Intel to either confirm or refute that.
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Message 1662785 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 0:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 1662771.  

All the news that I've read about the Compute Stick have said nothing about using different hardware spec's for which OS is used so I don't know where some of yous are getting that rumour from.

Regardless of operating system, the Compute Stick comes with an Intel Atom quad-core processor, 2GB of RAM, 32GB of storage and 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi.

Cheers.



Follow the OP links to the Amazon and Newegg product pages. Very different specs for the Windows and Linux versions.

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Message 1662816 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 3:20:22 UTC - in response to Message 1662782.  
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... and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible.

The Intel dongle will plug into the HDMI port on the back of my AiO PC.

Then I gotta' worry that the dongle & PC WiFi will clash. This is a weakness in WiFi.

Maybe someday the WiFi standard can be modified to CDMA, like 4G LTE. Then, multiple devices in the shack and the neighbors might get along, like the crowds of cell phone users.

The HDMI port on your system is most likely an out to connect your system to a TV or HDMI display. ?Unless your AIO has an optional video capture device to feed video signals in.

Also the WiFi wouldn't "clash". Not any more than two notebooks setting side by side on the same network would. Cell phone carrier work on different bands. Which WiFi has in the various channels you can choose to run on. If all of your neighbors are all running the same channel as you. Then you are likely to have a bad time & poor connections.

The lower band of WIFI can only support 3 users (routers) because each user burns about 3 channels. However, one of my neighbors has a super fast router and it burns 6 of the available channels. My router is unable to use the higher WIFI band but much of my other hardware can. There is really no advantage to putting the tower on WIFI so I am going to save a few bucks and use an available cable where needed and the portable stuff isn't used that much around the house so an error or two isn't important. By the way, the MAC has a wonderful WIFI analyzer that find and records all the local WIFI stations. I have around 10 that can be found from my house and only one works on the upper band.
Believe me, I spend several days trying to find out why I was having problems and it was only after I found out how cluttered the neighborhood was that I understood the problem.

When I said channels I was just referring to the standard channels for 2.4GHz. I think you are talking about the bands within the 22MHz spectrum of each channel. Which can be even worse if your neighbors have MIMO routers. Which I think most are these days. :/ So finding a few channel to work with can be a pain. Unless you have a tool. Such as the one you found for your Mac. I found a nice free one for my Android phone Wifi Analyzer. Around me I see 43 total SSIDs. With most of them on either channel 1 or 11. There is one other person using channel 6 with me, at the moment. Not that 2.4GHz is really a problem after I switched to a Cisco AP instead of a home router. That thing pretty much drowns out my neighbors. Luckily the 5GHz spectrum has a lot more to work with & there are only 2 others in range of me that even have 5GHz equipment.
Granted I only use the WiFi for my phone & sometimes 1 notebook. The notebook is WiFi just because I haven't put in a network jack my the nightstand yet.

Given the Compute Stick has a USB port. I see no reason it couldn't be connected to a USB & then use an USB to Ethernet device. A USB connection to another PC for internet access could probably be done with one of those special USB PC to PC cables, but I think those are mostly just for file sharing purposes.
While I don't expect the Compute Stick to break any kind of speed records. It will make it possible to stuff loads of them into a small space.

EDIT: I just found a source stating the processor is the Bay Trail Atom Z3735F. Not sure if it accurate yet, but it could be.

Also something similar. The Asus Chromebit.
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Message 1663203 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 20:44:32 UTC

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