Well this is a reality in modern day Britain.

Waste food

Could this be the catalyst that precipitates a change in supermarket's policy of throwing away what is clearly edible food?
I do hope so.

About 25% of the food that are produced in the world are thrown away.
Food production is a huge CO2 emitter...

There has to be a sensible way forward, which we haven't found yet.

Nonsense.
We all know what's going on...

Hi Simon,

The point is that there are all sorts of dates that retailers are supposed to abide by.

Best Before
Use before
Sell by
Display until
etc

Most tinned and bottled stuff can be used much later than that, but I believe that retailers can be fined if they are found to have out of date stuff on their shelves. In most cases the shop or supermarket will sell the items at 50% off to their staff at the close of business on the day that the produce goes past it's date. Certainly Sainsburys did when I worked for them 35 years ago. But careful JIT ordering by management should reduce that wastage.

If stuff can go past the use by date and still be usable, then the use by date needs adjusting.

The point in question in all these cases is not just the morals of throwing away still edible food, it is the law on stealing. It is unlawful to enter others premises and remove goods of whatever kind without permission. It is simply theft in law. But the retailers are in a quandary aren't they? If they leave the out of date stuff on the pavement for anyone to help themselves, and somebody gets food poisoning, from out of date food, they will get sued in court. Their public liability insurance wouldn't cover them.

There has to be a sensible way forward, which we haven't found yet.

Just because something's illegal doesn't make it wrong, equally something being legal doesn't make it right.
Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

If stuff can go past the use by date and still be usable, then the use by date needs adjusting.

What do you mean by use by? Use by for maximum flavor? Use by or risk of illness?

Then there is storage conditions. Trailer sitting in the lot at the warehouse in summer is going to be different that in a refrigerated warehouse. So what now? Do we have to put a computer chip and temperature probe with changing date display on the package so the use by is as accurate as possible?

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Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

I agree. Sadly our legal system makes no allowance for common sense. People won't take responsibility, they're always looking for someone to sue.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

If stuff can go past the use by date and still be usable, then the use by date needs adjusting.

Wrong. The manufacturers have no control whatsoever over stock rotation by retailers, therefore they err on the side of caution.

Too much so.

Just because something's illegal doesn't make it wrong, equally something being legal doesn't make it right.

That is nothing less than a personal opinion about the laws of the land which you don't make.

Yet...

Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

I doubt that defence would not stand up in a court of law.

Cancelling out the double negative means you agree with me, thanks. :)

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Shame some people can't keep theirs out of where it is not wanted.

So are you by any chance suggesting that the OP's opinion is not wanted in their own thread?

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We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Shame some people can't keep theirs out of where it is not wanted.

So are you by any chance suggesting that the OP's opinion is not wanted in their own thread?

I'll answer, if you don't mind.

Saying you disagree with an Opinion, or a Philosophy, doesn't mean one wishes to censor them, or they are "not wanted".

Why would you, or anyone else, believe that?

Could you please explain.

I assume you and I do not read "Shame some people can't keep theirs out of where it is not wanted" quite the same to me it does not say " I disagree with your opinion" it says, "Your opinion on anything is not worth you posting it"

Which is of course I suppose is a valid comment but as it seem to refer to the original poster of this thread was a little excessive.

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We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Shame some people can't keep theirs out of where it is not wanted.

So are you by any chance suggesting that the OP's opinion is not wanted in their own thread?

I'll answer, if you don't mind.

Saying you disagree with an Opinion, or a Philosophy, doesn't mean one wishes to censor them, or they are "not wanted".

Why would you, or anyone else, believe that?

Could you please explain.

I assume you and I do not read "Shame some people can't keep theirs out of where it is not wanted" quite the same to me it does not say " I disagree with your opinion" it says, "Your opinion on anything is not worth you posting it"

Which is of course I suppose is a valid comment but as it seem to refer to the original poster of this thread was a little excessive.

Don't believe is was "Excessive".

Just my opinion. Which is just as valid as yours, of course.

I believe people should not be so 'Thin Skinned'. Especially in a Political Forum.

Agreed. Politics is a lions pit.

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Agreed. Politics is a lions pit.

With some lions being more arrogant than others.

I think, in the not too distant future, that mankind will discover in a very tragic way, the limits of how many people this planet can support on a continuing basis. At that point we will also discover again how low man will sink in an attempt to survive.

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Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Well then why do people still get sick eating food tainted with listeria, Or Salemanella? or e-coli? Just because it smells good dose not mean its safe.
Yes I agree the nose will stop you from eating rotten meat. Or drinking turned milk. But some germs dont make a stink untill its way to late to keep you from ingersting them.

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Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Well then why do people still get sick eating food tainted with listeria, Or Salemanella? or e-coli? Just because it smells good dose not mean its safe.
Yes I agree the nose will stop you from eating rotten meat. Or drinking turned milk. But some germs dont make a stink untill its way to late to keep you from ingersting them.

Then it means the food already was contiminated from the store.

More than 750,000 people have received asylum in the European Union since 2008, with Germany and Sweden consistently taking in more asylum seekers than any other countries.

Germany took in 47,555 asylum seekers last year, 82 percent more than the year before. Sweden accepted 33,000 applicants, up 25 percent on 2013.

Italy approved just ten fewer applicants than France, which granted asylum to 20,640 people last year, a rise of 27 percent year on year.

Syrians accounted for 37 percent of the beneficiaries of asylum protection, followed by Eritreans (eight percent) and Afghans (eight percent).

The figures come as the EU’s foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini appeals for UN backing for Europe’s plan to confront the Mediterranean migrant crisis by using military force against smugglers.

This year alone, more than 1,800 people have drowned when boats run by migrant smugglers have capsized in the Mediterranean, a 20-fold increase over the same period last year.

Already 2015 is shaping up as the deadliest ever for refugees seeking to reach Europe through the Mediterranean.

http://www.thelocal.it/20150512/italy-fourth-in-eu-for-granting-asylum

Of course not.
There is already problem finding jobs for europeans.
10% unemployment in average in Sweden, 25% unemployment for Young people.
Most of them are immigrants!
A massive immigration doesn't help.
But where should all the refugees go?
Antarctis?

I see BIG problems coming up...
To soon for my liking.

Question is - Why so many refugees?
What is the problem with their Home Culture, Religion, Economy, Government?
'My brother's keeper' is a nice Religious thing, but...
It is not up to your country, my country, nor other countries, to solve their problems.
We can neither afford the monetary, nor cultural impact,

For instance.
Four years war in Syria.
The brutal violence has forced over 3.9 million people - vulnerable children, women and men - to flee their homeland. Half of them are children, and many are difficult traumatized.
Over 10 million desperate people displaced from their homes inside Syria.
War casualties have seen their homes destroyed by bombs and relatives killed. They have lost everything they own. Cities lie in ruins. They are in urgent need of help!
UNHCR is working around the clock to provide them fleeing protection, shelter and emergency assistance such as food and water.
It is the worst humanitarian crisis in modern times. The needs are enormous.

Read the numbers.
Once this was a reason to start a World War!

They are in their own Cultural, and Religious war.
Europe was also engaged in the throes of the same, centuries ago.
Could any 'outsider' have stopped, or helped Europe?
No. Europe had to internally 'work it out', after much, much, bloodshed.
Unfortunately, today is the same.

Yes. History are repeating it self.
Today it's very much more people affected to conflicts.
Instead of millions we are talking of maybe billions!
Add Global warming to that.
At very least what we can do is to stop this madness to overexploit our only Earth.
Economist Thinks that eternal growth is possible and we have infinite of Resources.
Wrong. There is a limit.
We have already reached the limit for some years ago.

Could this be the catalyst that precipitates a change in supermarket's policy of throwing away what is clearly edible food?
I do hope so.

Hi Simon,

The point is that there are all sorts of dates that retailers are supposed to abide by.

Best Before
Use before
Sell by
Display until
etc

Most tinned and bottled stuff can be used much later than that, but I believe that retailers can be fined if they are found to have out of date stuff on their shelves. In most cases the shop or supermarket will sell the items at 50% off to their staff at the close of business on the day that the produce goes past it's date. Certainly Sainsburys did when I worked for them 35 years ago. But careful JIT ordering by management should reduce that wastage.

The point in question in all these cases is not just the morals of throwing away still edible food, it is the law on stealing. It is unlawful to enter others premises and remove goods of whatever kind without permission. It is simply theft in law. But the retailers are in a quandary aren't they? If they leave the out of date stuff on the pavement for anyone to help themselves, and somebody gets food poisoning, from out of date food, they will get sued in court. Their public liability insurance wouldn't cover them.

There has to be a sensible way forward, which we haven't found yet.

Here's a idea donate it , just before it does goes off . Retailers know when it's going to go out of date so here your phone up a company and they pick it up and deliver it to homeless soap kitchens and get a tax rite off ....Just a idea . You will never starve in Sydney on the streets .

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Leave it out the front under a big sign saying that they accept no responsibility if you take it and get ill.

We humans have survived for thousands of years handling food and knows whats bad or good.
Thats why we have a nose.

Well then why do people still get sick eating food tainted with listeria, Or Salemanella? or e-coli? Just because it smells good dose not mean its safe.
Yes I agree the nose will stop you from eating rotten meat. Or drinking turned milk. But some germs dont make a stink untill its way to late to keep you from ingersting them.

Then it means the food already was contiminated from the store.

Here in the states it means someone on a picnic or church social didnt keep hot food hot or cold food cold. OR did not follow proper hygine or santitary procedures.
Your sense of smell cant be relied on to keep you from getting sick.

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