Here we go again:(

When comparing global corruption this starts to be silly!
Look at North Korea and Somalia!
Compare that to the US and Britain!

BTW How do you find facts for corruption in Russia for instance?
Or anywhere for that matter.

"Legalised" corruption?

"A report in The Nation in 2014 suggested that while the number of 12,281 registered lobbyists was a decrease since 2002, lobbying activity was increasing and "going underground" as lobbyists use "increasingly sophisticated strategies" to obscure their activities."

Something to hide?

The Tax code is complex because basically the American congress is corrupt. Its complex because its choke full of nice little loopholes that were put in there by every lobby representing some sector of the economy in order to minimize corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy. Its designed to be complex so people like Mitt Romney only have to pay like 13% taxes over their income.

Is this fact or your opinion?

Its a fact that American corporations have lobbied every tax bill so hard that its full of holes those corporations can make use of. Technically its not 'corrupt' because this is all very much legal. But really, if the private sector spends billions of dollars on lobbyists, I don't really care if its technically legal, its corrupt in the sense that it turns politicians into pawns for corporations, rather than representatives of the people. Its unfair and its definitely not what democracy is supposed to be about.

Money Talks, Honesty Walks.

Riiiiight...........it's all in our heads..........
Yep, it really is.

1) Healthcare –Control healthcare and you control the people

The government hardly 'controls' healthcare. It just doesn't. All it does is ensure that insurance is mandatory, so everyone has at least some level of access to health care. Is that a bad thing? Well, considering that America has some of the WORST healthcare in the industrialized world, no its probably about time someone tried something new.

Please cite your reference as to the 'worst health care in the industrial world. It is controlled by government in that we are not free to buy any health care insurance, only those offered in my state AND through the GOVERNMENT PORTAL. Single males are forced to buy policies that cover pregnancy and female birth control due to the 'one size fits all' Obamacare.

2) Poverty –Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
Sorry, but thats been an issue since Reagan. Its simply the result of trickle down economics, and its not Obama's fault.

And by over-regulation, increased costs of LEGAL fees and other necessities to ensure compliance with DOJ, EPA, FCC, FTC, and AHCA, there are less funds to dedicate to wages and benefits for employees. Increased taxation(actual and hidden) has caused businesses not to expand or hire, in fact there were massive layoffs and that is still ocurring.

3) Debt –Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
Well then I guess your pal Reagan was a socialist as well. After all, he did massively expand the government, raised taxes and increased the debt.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> George H.W. Bush’s Term – $1.587 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

> George W. Bush’s First Term – $1.885 trillion increase

> George W. Bush’s Second Term – $3.014 trillion increase

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase
and by his own administration's estimates that will be a total increase of 10 Trillion Dollars (US) by Dec. 31st 2016. Clearly you need to review your 'facts'.

4) Gun Control –Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
Despite what people think, Obama should literally be counted as the NRA's best friends. He has not touched upon gun control one little bit.

Again you need to check your FACTS: “President Obama pressed for an array of measures to curb gun violence last year in response to the 2012 killing spree at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. that left 26 people dead. The administration announced nearly two dozen executive actions, including nearly completed regulations designed to improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). “ Sounds great on the surface, but all of these measures are aimed at LEGAL OWNERS OF FIREARMS. The Newtown killings were committed by an insane individual who stole the weapon from his mother and killed her. Background checks are the 1st step to confiscation as proven already by the New York City Police Department who last year notified legal owners of firearms in the city to turn in their weapons.

5) Welfare –Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
Again, these things have been around since long before Obama.

Yeah, the Bushes and Reagan are responsible for the largest expansion of Welfare in the country's history(sarcasm font). AND the recipients can use their benefits to buy Alcohol and drugs without repercussion. Well I guess that does expand one aspect of the economy(but somebody who is actually earning a paycheck must pay for these binges).

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
Still very much in the hands of local and state legislatures. Because you know, the Federal Government has no constitutional power in the field of education?

Common Core.........

7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools.
Its called the separation of church and state and has nothing to do with socialism. It is however, very much a part of the state not forcing one particular brand of religion down everyones throats and letting people decide for themselves what to believe in. You know, that thing called liberty. Also, there are plenty of religious private schools all around the US. If people want to, they can just send their children there.

The US Dollar (itself an object of worship by some) bears the motto “In GOD we Trust”. The US Capitol contains a “Prayer Room” with the following inscriptions :"Annuit coeptis" (God has favored our undertakings) and "Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust."
— Psalm 16:1
And more and more Americans ARE putting their children in private or religious or EVEN BETTER Charter Schools(which are required to receive equal support of the states education system). This will eventually destroy the public school system in America.

8) Class Warfare –Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Yeah sorry, but that is simply the result of having 1% of the people own more than half the money and assets in the country, of having an obscene divide between the super rich and everyone else, of no longer having a middle class. That has nothing to do with any policy supported by the White House, that is simply what happens when the rich get all the money.

Where do you think the middle class went? Their businesses are being taxed and regulated out of existence. The fruits of their labors are being squandered on healthy, intelligent 'citizens' who, according to you, have the right to be supported by the 'Judeo/Christian' work ethic of others(your words from a prior post).

WOW, I couldn't have scripted the current Administration's agenda more clairvoyantly if I were Kreskin(a charleton mind reader from the 70's). Well, apart from the fact that the current administration does non of these things in the way you think they are doing it.

Please review items 1 – 8 above.

I recognized our total dichotomy of thought. I also recognize the futility of discussing logical thought with you.

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Well, considering that America has some of the WORST healthcare in the industrialized World.

No. the USA has the best Healthcare in the World.
But also the most expensive.

In December 2010, published the International Monetary Fund, IMF, a study in which they calculate the cost of care will be developed in the future. The report compares 50 countries.

Of the world's industrialized countries are expected not to have as low a cost as Sweden. The incision among the rich countries is 3 percentage points increase in relation to GDP by 2030. Then you also consider that many of the countries where healthcare costs are expected to rail - like the US and the UK - already facing major budget deficits. In Sweden, the forecast figure of 0.4 percentage points, or if you believe the IMF's optimistic scenario, so it's even on a cost reduction of 0.4 percentage points.

Of all the countries in the study, only Pakistan - one of the countries that spend the least on health care in the world - who can expect lower cost than Sweden. Looking forward to 2050 will be the trend even clearer: Sweden judged would reach 8.3 percent of GDP on health care expenditures - among the lowest in Europe - while the US for instance is up to 18.9 percent, nearly a fifth of the country's total GDP.

Yes punchline.
Sweden judged would reach 8.3 percent of GDP on health care expenditures - among the lowest in Europe - while the US for instance is up to 18.9 percent, nearly a fifth of the country's total GDP.

Where do you think the middle class went? Their businesses are being taxed and regulated out of existence.

Having been there the middle class as I remember it was seriously attacked during the Reagan era, that was when I ceased being a Republican, then NAFTA came along. The slide down to the lowest common denominator has been constant since those two historical events.
As for taxes and regulations I worked in and owned a small business for over 38 years and your contention simply is not true.

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It is equally impossible to open an oyster without a knife to open the mouth of a lawyer without a fee.
So please no lawyers in politics:)

And I think that politics should be rated as PG13:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnToiuWL2A
Longer version with English subtitles:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btFJrtVwjfg

It is a conspiracy, but not secret. Here is the socialist plan of war laid out by, Obama and Clinton's mentor, Saul Alinsky:

Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He is often noted for his book Rules for Radicals. He and his third wife (Irene McInnis) were the socialists that
Barack Obama has studied and followed their community organizer philosophy.

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare –Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty –Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt –Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control –Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare –Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare –Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

WOW, I couldn't have scripted the current Administration's agenda more clairvoyantly if I were Kreskin(a charleton mind reader from the 70's).

Riiiiight...........it's all in our heads..........

How to Create a Social State Saul David Alinsky

Yeah..I thought it was made up BS the moment you posted it.

I suggest everyone stop defending or trying to argue with this made up nonsense.

Totally false BS.

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Reality Internet Personality

I suggest everyone stop defending or trying to argue with this made up nonsense.Totally false BS.

What? A moderator using obscene language?
We all know what BS is.
Ok?
And don't give me some bull that I don't know US idioms that are infecting the civilized World know!
Ok?
Stop your nonsense!

I suggest everyone stop defending or trying to argue with this made up nonsense.

ES you are probably correct, the scary thing to me is the thought he actually believes what he posts.

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I suggest everyone stop defending or trying to argue with this made up nonsense.

ES you are probably correct, the scary thing to me is the thought he actually believes what he posts.

No ES is a militant female feminist and voluntary moderator who should leave this forum!
It's PG13 in SETI forum right?

I suggest everyone stop defending or trying to argue with this made up nonsense.Totally false BS.

What? A moderator using obscene language?
We all know what BS is.
Ok?
And don't give me some bull that I don't know US idioms that are infecting the civilized World know!
Ok?
Stop your nonsense!

Buttered Squash?

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Reality Internet Personality

I suggest everyone stop defending or trying to argue with this made up nonsense.Totally false BS.

What? A moderator using obscene language?
We all know what BS is.
Ok?
And don't give me some bull that I don't know US idioms that are infecting the civilized World since the 90's!
Ok?
Stop your nonsense!

Buttered Squash?

Try Again!!!!!


And I usually get my posting hidden by YOU for being OFF TOPIC.
What is your opinion of GOVERNMENT behaviour?

Batter up:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNGaa5Opfmc

I personally don't agree with everything Thirsty believes.

But any disagreement should be pointed out, and explained.

Clyde I lived through it and Thirsty is wrong, his perception of reality and mine is very different. I did point it out, so reread my post.

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No ES is a militant female feminist and voluntary moderator who should leave this forum!

jann, being a militant female or mod does not make her incorrect in her views and she should state them correct or not.

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No ES is a militant female feminist and voluntary moderator who should leave this forum!

jann, being a militant female or mod does not make her incorrect in her views and she should them.

+1

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No ES is a militant female feminist and voluntary moderator who should leave this forum!

jann, being a militant female or mod does not make her incorrect in her views and she should them.

First
My name is NOT jann.
Secondly
She has good views and bad views like everybody else.
But she cannot seperate her role as a moderator and as a participant in this forum.
Well if I cant so who can, despite my first language is not anglo saxian?
Im not the only one how has this experience.
You know about the SETI PM land perhaps?

No ES is a militant female feminist and voluntary moderator who should leave this forum!

jann, being a militant female or mod does not make her incorrect in her views and she should them.

+1

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Well, while dg6580004's list may be a fabrication attributed to Alinsky,

Alinsky's REAL list published in his book 'Rules for Radicals' (1971) bears some scrutiny. Particularly Rule 5 on page 128 of

http://archive.org/stream/RulesForRadicals/RulesForRadicals_djvu.txt

The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.

This tactic is frequently used here.