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Message 1658431 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:39:09 UTC

Spend a little time on World Community Grid and you will find out how boring this place will become if you don't allow politics. I think most of not all users understand if you don't want a bloody nose you don't post in politics. Even in politics you need to stay on topic so it's possible to post in politics without getting into a argument you don't want. This is the only open thread board I post on and it will be greatly missed by me if it is shut down. Something not measured is there are many people who read our post without ever posting. The way I know this is every once in a while a person make their first post and they understand far more than a first time poster should. There has to be a reason why SETi seems to have more computer power than other Boinc boards and I think this s part of it.

The other point is the people who post on this board are well educated even if it's self educated. They want to explore ideas with other educated people that are beyond the limits of the Cafe. SETI has kind of a natural filter along with the mods that keep the anarchist out or at least under control.
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Message 1658434 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:42:24 UTC - in response to Message 1658431.  

Spend a little time on World Community Grid and you will find out how boring this place will become if you don't allow politics. I think most of not all users understand if you don't want a bloody nose you don't post in politics. Even in politics you need to stay on topic so it's possible to post in politics without getting into a argument you don't want. This is the only open thread board I post on and it will be greatly missed by me if it is shut down. Something not measured is there are many people who read our post without ever posting. The way I know this is every once in a while a person make their first post and they understand far more than a first time poster should. There has to be a reason why SETi seems to have more computer power than other Boinc boards and I think this s part of it.

The other point is the people who post on this board are well educated even if it's self educated. They want to explore ideas with other educated people that are beyond the limits of the Cafe. SETI has kind of a natural filter along with the mods that keep the anarchist out or at least under control.


NO, it's the ignore button that keeps that anarchist under control.
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Message 1658435 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:44:00 UTC

This is the only open thread board I post on and it will be greatly missed by me if it is shut down.

Thank you for your opinion.
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Message 1658436 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:44:04 UTC - in response to Message 1658431.  

Spend a little time on World Community Grid and you will find out how boring this place will become if you don't allow politics. I think most of not all users understand if you don't want a bloody nose you don't post in politics. Even in politics you need to stay on topic so it's possible to post in politics without getting into a argument you don't want. This is the only open thread board I post on and it will be greatly missed by me if it is shut down. Something not measured is there are many people who read our post without ever posting. The way I know this is every once in a while a person make their first post and they understand far more than a first time poster should. There has to be a reason why SETi seems to have more computer power than other Boinc boards and I think this s part of it.

The other point is the people who post on this board are well educated even if it's self educated. They want to explore ideas with other educated people that are beyond the limits of the Cafe. SETI has kind of a natural filter along with the mods that keep the anarchist out or at least under control.


We have the anarchist tinted posts in the Cafe, but they are quite eloquently transformed into polite and agreeable 'arguments':))
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Message 1658450 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 22:11:22 UTC - in response to Message 1658434.  

NO, it's the ignore button that keeps that anarchist under control.

And It should result in that ignored person disappearing from the world view entirely. That is the real problem here, not the politics forum.
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Message 1658461 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 22:52:44 UTC

I believe it would be a fool's errand to shut down 'politics'.

I don't post here much myself. Mostly because I at times don't consider myself educated enough to participate in some of the debates here. Opinionated, yes. Educated, perhaps not enough.

I do read more than I post here. And take much of it with a grain of salt, as I understand that emotional levels are allowed to run higher here than otherwise, and a lot of hormones are released into the surrounding atmosphere...LOL.
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Message 1658473 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 23:22:47 UTC

I Think this is weird.
SETI starts a political forum.
OK.
After a more of a decade some would like to shut it down!
Why?
There are so much nonsense, personal attacks and so called foul language here.
Are Moral Majority speaking here?
I would say YES.
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Message 1658481 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 23:53:29 UTC
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If a person looks at the threads on other projects (e.g., Rosetta, Einstein,
and CPDN), the responses primarily are in the professional categories, such
as Q&A. Einstein has a poetry thread, but it seems more for submitting
works by established poets.

The participants aren't very interested in "chit-chat". That's ok, with me.

A question, then, comes to mind: How did SETI@home's "chat" columns get
started, and what -- if anything -- differentiates our "crunchers" from those
on other projects? Do the differences have to do with the nature of our
project; i.e., a project with a slim chance of success? Or, a success that
doesn't have much outside support from the general public?

Before terminating any of the "chat" columns, perhaps we should consider
that they might serve a very dedicated sort of person, who, never-the-less,
requires some mutual support (of various types). Most of my friends who
would dedicate a computer for scientific computing, have specific reasons
for doing so; e.g., cancer research (loss of friend, to same).

Nobody, that I know, is involved in SETI, and most of my friends are professionals, of one sort, or another.

Granted, if extra-terrestrial signals should ever be detected, interest
would undoubtedly pick up,even if single-cellular life were detected.

And, I would not be surprised that the additional gain of volunteer crunchers would swamp us original SETI-zens,
to the extent that a question for the need for "chat" boards would, again,
be raised.

I'll worry about that, when it should arrive.
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Message 1658487 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 0:39:11 UTC - in response to Message 1658431.  

Spend a little time on World Community Grid and you will find out how boring this place will become if you don't allow politics. I think most of not all users understand if you don't want a bloody nose you don't post in politics. Even in politics you need to stay on topic so it's possible to post in politics without getting into a argument you don't want. This is the only open thread board I post on and it will be greatly missed by me if it is shut down. Something not measured is there are many people who read our post without ever posting. The way I know this is every once in a while a person make their first post and they understand far more than a first time poster should. There has to be a reason why SETi seems to have more computer power than other Boinc boards and I think this s part of it.

The other point is the people who post on this board are well educated even if it's self educated. They want to explore ideas with other educated people that are beyond the limits of the Cafe. SETI has kind of a natural filter along with the mods that keep the anarchist out or at least under control.

Agreed.

Also, some of us like to post in the politics forum here on seti because we get to hear other views rather than the ones we might come across in our every day life. If you don't hear other views wildly different from your own you can end up thinking that somehow you speak for a supposed "norm" or "average person".

I want to hear other people's opinions. I don't have to agree with them, but there is no where else I've come across like seti for the wide range of opinions.

I do post on other forums totally unrelated to seti. There is quite a range of "how things are done" out there and what different admin tolerate.
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Message 1658498 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 1:59:58 UTC

I will vote a solid No to closing the polotics forum.
This place is needed. It was formed to to keep the nasty stuff out of the Cafe. And thats why a bit more leeway is giving to vent your spleen in here.
Close it? WHY? Just so you dont get challenged on an opinion? My eyes have been opened by reading this forum. My preconceived notions on many things have me questioning what the hell was I thinking. And it because of this forum!.
Its been asked what the moderators think about this place. As a former Mod myself, No one mod had to walk this beat alone. We had the help of the others and Fred.
And for Milkyway and Einstien those forums are ghost towns.
Ive made many friends on here just beacuse of the forums. Why kill a good thing?
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Message 1658501 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 2:08:05 UTC - in response to Message 1658498.  

Agreed.
Socializing on other projects is minimal at best.
Even getting tech support is difficult at times.
I think the Politics forum presents a healthy outlet for some who have differing views on what is for some a very highly charged and personal topic.

Things that at times, can be affecting their very lives. Not just their opinions.

The Seti project is a melting pot of so many lifestyles and world views. And I am sure there are many who would not be participating in the crunching if not afforded the luxury of these forums.
I know I would not be as active here with the computers if not for the outlet it gives me to share my life with others here.

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Message 1658531 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 2:56:01 UTC

Bottom line. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Southern (USA) colloquialism.

One big thing I get from all of the seti forums is a sense of the point of view of people (mostly educated) from all over the world.
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Message 1658551 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 3:56:24 UTC - in response to Message 1658531.  

The global warming folderol will just move over to the Science-Non SETI board.
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Message 1658594 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 5:19:08 UTC - in response to Message 1658354.  

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Number Crunching and the Cafe do promote a sense of community. This forum only serves to make me despair for humanity.

... and if we do close it, all those conversations that make you despair will end up happening in number crunching and the Cafe.

Just think of this forum like a quarantine zone.

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Message 1658595 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 5:21:31 UTC - in response to Message 1658594.  

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Number Crunching and the Cafe do promote a sense of community. This forum only serves to make me despair for humanity.

... and if we do close it, all those conversations that make you despair will end up happening in number crunching and the Cafe.

Just think of this forum like a quarantine zone.

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Message 1658629 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 7:45:15 UTC

So what brought this on ........

So much for ideas or free speech !

Maybe it's time to shut the whole thing down after 15 yrs no ones found anything so the whole thing is a waste of time , by some peoples reckoning .

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Message 1658635 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 8:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1658487.  
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I want to hear other people's opinions. I don't have to agree with them, but there is no where else I've come across like seti for the wide range of opinions.

+ 100 or something:)

However a few persons are Reading between the lines.
And it's rather difficult to a non-English person to express him/her/hen self here without beeing insultated by a few.

For instance when one says YOU GRUMPY OLD SWEDES.
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Message 1658638 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 8:24:50 UTC
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Maybe it's time to shut the whole thing down after 15 yrs no ones found anything so the whole thing is a waste of time

1-1/2 million people would disagree with you Glenn! We are only discussing one forum not the whole project.

And I am sure there are many who would not be participating in the crunching if not afforded the luxury of these forums.

So far only 11 people out of 1-1/2 million active crunchers have shown enough interest to reply to the poll. 3 say yes, 7 say no, 1 says close it temporarily. That bears out what Eric said all those years ago. There are two ways of looking at it, one says that the level of opinion is 2:1 in favour of keeping the forum, the other says that just 7 people all over the whole world actually want it. That is what I more or less expected.

That is why I posed the original question, that given the hassle that the politics forum causes, which needs an International team of 7 volunteers to monitor, is it more trouble than it is worth? Three moderators say that they are happy to continue to deal with it, but that isn't surprising, they might not have a job otherwise :-)

Yes there is a risk that some of the angst could spill over into the cafe and other places, and keeping it all in one place does makes it easier to deal with, I do accept that. I still reckon that if it was shut for a month as an experiment the majority of people would soon find somewhere else to vent their anger.

But some people only look in once a week, so I'll leave this open for a while yet to give all users a fair chance to contribute. I have to say that it is refreshing that the question has been allowed to be asked, and with the tacit approval of the Mod team.
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Message 1658640 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 8:32:56 UTC - in response to Message 1658638.  
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Maybe it's time to shut the whole thing down after 15 yrs no ones found anything so the whole thing is a waste of time

1-1/2 million people would disagree with you Glenn! We are only discussing one forum not the whole project.

Glenn didn't mean to Close the Project Only the Politics Fora! Note Singularis!
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Message 1658648 - Posted: 29 Mar 2015, 9:01:23 UTC

Why on earth do you want to close the politics forum just because you don't like it Chris? If you don't like it stay away and I'm not going to answer your poll you've put up, it's unnecessary.

I've been very impressed on the whole with level of some debates on this forum and learned a lot from them.

Just please stop doing this, you are not the seti policeman.
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