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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I think that depended on the individuals level of education and background. Many sailors preferred not to sail far out of sight of land. That surprises me because their basis is quite contradictory. Science, at least empirical science always searchs for answers, for proof. Religion on the other hand sets great store by mysticism. rOZZ Music Pictures |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The Dutch east India Company at least knew where in the world they were, all the Swedes have ever done in rape and pillage on the coat tails of the Norwegians, and were in cahoots with the Goths. Most of whom these days are disoriented teenagers on pot with tattoos!! LOL You are very off topic. Nevermind:) Are you an American? No from London. Then go to York or Dublin. From 1976 to 1981, the York Archaeological Trust conducted a five-year excavation in and around the street of Coppergate in central York. This demonstrated that, in the 10th century, JórvÃk's trading connections reached to the Byzantine Empire and beyond: a cap made of silk survives, and coins from Samarkand were familiar enough and respected enough for a counterfeit to have passed in trade. Both these items, as well as a large human coprolite known as the Lloyds Bank coprolite, were famously recovered in York a millennium later. Amber from the Baltic is often expected at a Viking site and at JórvÃk an impractical and presumably symbolic axehead of amber was found. A cowrie shell indicates contact with the Red Sea or the Persian Gulf. Christian and pagan objects have survived side-by-side, usually taken as a sign that Christians were not in positions of authority. After the excavation, the York Archaeological Trust took the decision to recreate the excavated part of JórvÃk on the Coppergate site, and this is now the Jorvik Viking Centre. York or JórvÃk as it was called:) In 866, Northumbria was in the midst of internecine struggles when the Vikings raided and captured York. Under Viking rule the city became a major river port, part of the extensive Viking trading routes throughout northern Europe. The last ruler of an independent JórvÃk, Eric Bloodaxe, was driven from the city in AD 954 by King Edred in his successful attempt to complete the unification of England. The word York (from Old Norse JórvÃk 9th century AD) derives from the Latinised name for the city, variously rendered as Eboracum, Eburacum or Eburaci. When the Danish army conquered the city in 866, its name became JórvÃk. JórvÃk JórvÃk gradually reduced to York in the centuries following the Norman Conquest, moving from the Middle English Yerk in the 14th century through Yourke in the 16th century to Yarke in the 17th century. The form York was first recorded in the 13th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_York I wonder why the Viking name JórvÃk "York" still are used? :):):):) Its likely that you, Chris S, have viking blood. Do this https://www.google.se/#tbm=vid&q=bbc+horizon+vikings The vikings came from what now is Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Iceland. "Swedish" vikings traveled through whats now Russia and Crimea and opened up trading with MiklagÃ¥rd/Konstantinopel today Istanbul. In that time Konstantinopel was the largest city in the World. It was like London today:) Back to topic Monotheists. The vikings where Polytheists. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Fair hair and blue eyes are very common in Northern Europe It has nothing to do with the Vikings:) If you go to Russia, Estonia and Finland it's the same, fair hair and blue eyes. The Scandinavian people originate from the Ural, Russia or somewhere! As I had said Before, I Think I will "convert" to Asatru:) Many nice Gods to celebrate every day. Not today though. It's lögardagen today. btw. I have green Eyes:) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I don't believe a single word of it! LOL. Me neither:) Green eyes are not green. It's a mix of blue and brown Eyes:) In my passport it says "Mixed colours" |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Back on subject, one god or many, they all serve the same purpose. To give meaning to events that can't be explained by any other means and to provide those in charge with a way to control the masses. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Back on subject, one god or many, they all serve the same purpose. To give meaning to events that can't be explained by any other means and to provide those in charge with a way to control the masses. Asatru and Vikings is polytheism. So my posts fits in. Discussing monotheism without polytheism is ... |
Jim Martin Send message Joined: 21 Jun 03 Posts: 2473 Credit: 646,848 RAC: 0 |
An idea -- Many scientists prefer to deal within boundaries, with the discovered/yet to be discovered laws, therein. Religious approaches to explain perceived reality, including monotheism, appear to focus on a larger scale, even beyond possible boundaries, involving both the "physical" creation, and time. For that, "faith"/"belief" oft-times come into play. Sci-Fi authors, also, address topics which can stretch the limits, and not just religious thinkers. A question: What advantage might monotheism have over other approaches in explaining reality? Note: This is not intended as a lead-in on the various political uses of religion. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Note: This is not intended as a lead-in on the various political uses of religion. You are in the SETI Politiks forum :) Mayby it's should be a SETI Philosofy forum as well. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
A question: What advantage might monotheism have over other approaches Its simpler to understand. Instead of having to remember the names of dozens of Gods, each with their own sphere of responsibility with monotheism you just have to remember one name and know that he is responsible for everything. That makes organizing around such a concept also a lot easier. A religion based on multiple gods has to be more complex in its basic set up than a religion with only one God. I mean, you need to build multiple temples, one for every god, every god needs their own priesthood or you need priesthoods covering multiple deities, each deity than has their own associated rituals, etc. Monotheism can keep everything nice and uniform for the most part. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
and know that he is responsible for everything. Here we now a Word for it Hen. No no not chicken:) He masculin She feminin Hen in between. btw Frigga is a female. Thor is a male. And there a lot hens in Asgård:) |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
and know that he is responsible for everything. Oh you caught my bias. Yes, I automatically assume male when I dont know the gender for sure. With everything and everyone. But this is hardly the topic to discuss the way the patriarchy shapes people's thinking. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Thank you very much. I will treasure that reply :-)) And you are replying to whom??? |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Back on subject, one god or many, they all serve the same purpose. To give meaning to events that can't be explained by any other means and to provide those in charge with a way to control the masses. ... must +1 that. But then the question arises, Is there a God, are there multiple gods? I think this theological question belongs to theology because it can never be answered. So, back to the beginning point, would God or Gods be a made up story by Men, or are they real? rOZZ Music Pictures |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Sorry, my fault, I should know better. I was replying to Мишель There is a button titled "reply" that can be pressed if you want to answer someone in this forum! |
Jim Martin Send message Joined: 21 Jun 03 Posts: 2473 Credit: 646,848 RAC: 0 |
As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According to the Christian churches I've known, there is no gender/(sex) in heaven. Jesus, himself provided that bit of enlightenment. Like it, or not, we are stuck with a monotheism which was given us via a paternalistic society. But, feel free to attach labels! |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
I kind of like the no-theism perspective. http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/28/opinions/atheists-q-and-a/index.html Steve Edit: Religion is factually wrong. As a result, religion lives on ignorance of facts. The reason people are giving up on mythology is the Internet, and the access to information it represents. When religion can exist in a bubble, the lies it pushes cannot be challenged. Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According Well, I always label God as a he.. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I kind of like the no-theism perspective. Wished sometimes I could think like that, but it's hard for me, Steve. Seriously. (anyone finding this post offensive can always pm me:) I once wrote a friend that we don't need bloody spokesmen, I meant no bloody spokesmen, but that aside (I meant it sarcastically, he took it the wrong way), spokesmen are needed! rOZZ Music Pictures |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According Why Julie? Frigga is female. Mother Mary is praised by catolics. Ancient Egypt had some femal deities that the Romans worshipped. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According Maybe all men (if they believe, that is) think God is a she? Dunno.. rOZZ Music Pictures |
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