There is absolutely no evidence for God. The probability of there being a God is so infinitesimal that I put it close to zero.

+ something:)

But you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.
If you meet God however....

On the other hand I'm an agnostic. Just in case:)

How 'is' 'Belief' of Invisible Man/Being/Entity In The Sky by 'Religions', Not Same as 'Believing' , Invisible Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence, In The Same Sky? You Know, Up There, and Out There.

So Many Science Types Poke Fun, concerning 'Invisble Man/Being/Entity in Sky', aka GOD.

While Same Science Types 'Believe' 'Crunching' to 'Find' 'Signal' from Invisible Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence in 'Same' 'Sky' is 'Sensible' and Worth Their Time, Effort and Monies.

GOoD Gracious.

Mega Churches with Their Belief, of Invisible One or Ones, In The Sky, Build 100s of Thousand Square Foot Buildings from Donations. Have State of Art, Audio-Visual Equipment, State of Art Internet Presence. And Money Flows in Almost Effortlessly. Result: Pretty Much Gots what they Need to 'Find dat Invisible One'.

While S E T I at Our Homes or Not since Most 'Registered Users' do not Crunch, or Donate, have, well, A 'Cool' Graphic.

There 'is' No Question, 'Life' 'is' Out There. How Not? So Many Suns, Planets, Water within' 'Goldilocks' Zone. Gots to Be Life, Somewhere same same-on Single Cell and Molecular Level- as In This Solar System.

But, Intelligent, Capable of 'Signal' Transmissions, 'is' No Different than 'Believing' in Mythical GODs, Prescient GODs, or GODs Seen.

Same Sky, Same Hopes, Same Beliefs. In Something Not There. And As Much Chance of Being 'There' as Any GOD.

Now, as Far As Funding Donations for The 'Effort' of Invisible ETI in Sky...yep. What 'is' Difference in Belief? None.

Difference in Donated Monies-Mega Difference.

Monotheistic Belief of Something Invisble Out There. None.

Yep

You can't equate belief in God with belief that there could be intelligent life in the universe capable of sending signals.

There is absolutely no evidence for God. The probability of there being a God is so infinitesimal that I put it close to zero.

There is however one very real example of intelligent life that has evolved enough to send out signals to the universe. That means that the probability of intelligent life in the universe is already 1.

+1 Es.

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It was not until 18th or 19th centuary when we stopped Beliving in Asatru here in Scandinavia.
Well not so many but never the less.
They were probably thinking "Just in case":)

But kids still believes in Tomten (Santa) and trolls in the forest.

GOD Can't Prove 'Its' Existence? Homo Sapiens Sapiens Cannot Prove 'Its' Existence.

How Can We Prove Our Existence? We Can't Prove 'it' To Ourselves. We Can Prove 'things' Exist to Ourselves. I'm holding a rock in my hand, and hit you with the rock, you say ouch and bleed. We Can't Prove We Exist to Each Other.

How 'is' 'it' Done. By hitting Each Other with a Rock? By Saying Hi, How Ya Doin'?

We Have to Be Proved to Some 'Thing' Else, to Be Real.

When ETI Meets Up Face to Face with Homo Sapiens Sapiens, then A 'Possible' 'Proof' is Probable.

Until there 'is' Proof of Us, 'We' Do Not Exist. GOD does Not Exist. ETI does Not Exist.

Yep

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GOD Can't Prove 'Its' Existence? Homo Sapiens Sapiens Cannot Prove 'Its' Existence.

How Can We Prove Our Existence? We Can't Prove 'it' To Ourselves. We Can Prove 'things' Exist to Ourselves. I'm holding a rock in my hand, and hit you with the rock, you say ouch and bleed. We Can't Prove We Exist to Each Other.

How 'is' 'it' Done. By hitting Each Other with a Rock? By Saying Hi, How Ya Doin'?

We Have to Be Proved to Some 'Thing' Else, to Be Real.

When ETI Meets Up Face to Face with Homo Sapiens Sapiens, then A 'Possible' 'Proof' is Probable.

Until there 'is' Proof of Us, 'We' Do Not Exist. GOD does Not Exist. ETI does Not Exist.

Yep

Cogito ergo sum

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GOD and ETI, a Moment Ago, Blew In On The Wind, and Knocked Me Over into Both of 'Them'.

'They' Do Exist.

Count Us. 1 and 2 and 3.

May I Have This Waltz?

With Whom?

GOD First, then You.

Yep.

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GOD Can't Prove 'Its' Existence? Homo Sapiens Sapiens Cannot Prove 'Its' Existence.

How Can We Prove Our Existence? We Can't Prove 'it' To Ourselves. We Can Prove 'things' Exist to Ourselves. I'm holding a rock in my hand, and hit you with the rock, you say ouch and bleed. We Can't Prove We Exist to Each Other.

How 'is' 'it' Done. By hitting Each Other with a Rock? By Saying Hi, How Ya Doin'?

We Have to Be Proved to Some 'Thing' Else, to Be Real.

When ETI Meets Up Face to Face with Homo Sapiens Sapiens, then A 'Possible' 'Proof' is Probable.

Until there 'is' Proof of Us, 'We' Do Not Exist. GOD does Not Exist. ETI does Not Exist.

Yep

Cogito ergo sum

1) There is nothing in proving that involves one thing being proved by something different; e.g., the President of the USA from 1980-1988 was Ronald Reagan. Proof: by example and history books. Proved by a man, about a man.
2) In some ways, yes, you can prove a negative. "Prove, in Euclidean geometry, there is no square that is not a rectangle." Of course, Es' first post to me in 2006 addresses how proof in math is different from pretty much everything else.
3) Of course Lutherans have peacefully spoken with Catholics, as well as Episcopalians! I was present for several ecumenical activities in the mid-70s and perhaps part of the 80s. One was at a large cathedral in NYC.

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In some ways, yes, you can prove a negative. "Prove, in Euclidean geometry, there is no square that is not a rectangle."

I Think I could answer what the problem is.
Its more like a Boolean math problem.
"there is no square that is not a rectangle" is VERY hard to interpret for anyone.
True or false?

If I say this:
"there is a square that is a rectangle."
True or false?

One thing Einstein couldn't grasp is Quantum Mechanics.
Very simple math but VERY hard to understand.
Richard Feynman used to say this in his lectures (He met both Einstein and Nils Bohr).
"If you understand this you have not understand anything about Micro Cosmos."


I will tell you more in the morning.

It is easier to say that "all squares are rectangles" but, strangely, some do not fully understand what that means, let alone how to prove it, simply from (the simplest stated) definitions. Nonetheless, proofs of non-existence of non-trivial things (to the mathematician) are indeed performed. A (57,14,1) strongly regular graph does not exist.

Round and Round. Before too Long I Hit the Ground. Circle meet Circle. Hi!

Now We Have A Point!

I Exist and 'Prove' Non-Existence, by 'Proving' I Don't Exist.

The Numbers 'Told' Me So. For 'They' Speak'. What did 'They' 'Say'?

G O D. The Letters 'Appeared' Out of Nowhere.

From Somewhere, Out There.

The More Science Founded and 'Funded', The More 'is' 'Found'.

Until We 'Create' Existence' of All We Have Looked For.

What Fun!

All We Have Questioned.

'It' Seems Miraculously True.

We Can Make You, Believe In Me, Believe In You.

Whooo Hooooo!

Yep.

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Round and Round. Before too Long I Hit the Ground. Circle meet Circle. Hi!

Now We Have A Point!

I Exist and 'Prove' Non-Existence, by 'Proving' I Don't Exist.

The Numbers 'Told' Me So. For 'They' Speak'. What did 'They' 'Say'?

G O D. The Letters 'Appeared' Out of Nowhere.

From Somewhere, Out There.

The More Science Founded and 'Funded', The More 'is' 'Found'.

Until We 'Create' Existence' of All We Have Looked For.

What Fun!

All We Have Questioned.

'It' Seems Miraculously True.

We Can Make You, Believe In Me, Believe In You.

Whooo Hooooo!

Yep.

That's pretty good. Did you write that yourself?

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Round and Round. Before too Long I Hit the Ground. Circle meet Circle. Hi!

Now We Have A Point!

I Exist and 'Prove' Non-Existence, by 'Proving' I Don't Exist.

The Numbers 'Told' Me So. For 'They' Speak'. What did 'They' 'Say'?

G O D. The Letters 'Appeared' Out of Nowhere.

From Somewhere, Out There.

The More Science Founded and 'Funded', The More 'is' 'Found'.

Until We 'Create' Existence' of All We Have Looked For.

What Fun!

All We Have Questioned.

'It' Seems Miraculously True.

We Can Make You, Believe In Me, Believe In You.

Whooo Hooooo!

Yep.

That's pretty good. Did you write that yourself?

LOL! Pretty sure I could've written that at 15, particularly considering a popular song of the time. Got been de-funded? Yep!

Truth -
"It's all relative" isn't what Daddy said.
Falsehood -
is what we keep getting fed.
I will offer up
a fight until I'm dead.
No, I won't swallow it -
hook, line & sinker.

Me.

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Some are Monotheists.
Some are Polytheists.

Some believe in one universe.
Some believe in one multiverse.
Here's one:)
http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/mathematical.html

Parallel Universe Overview (Levels I-IV)
•Level I: A generic prediction of cosmological inflation is an infinite ergodic universe, which contains Hubble volumes realizing all initial conditions - including an identical copy of you about 10exp10exp29 meters away.
•Level II: In many models, inflation can produce multiple Level I multiverses that have different effective physical constants, dimensionality and particle content.
•Level III: In unitary quantum mechanics, other branches of the wavefunction add nothing qualitatively new, which is ironic given that this quantum parallel universes have historically been the most controversial.
•Level IV: Other mathematical structures give different fundamental equations of physics.

As a physicist, Max Tegmark sees people as "food, rearranged." That makes his answer to complicated questions like "What is consciousness?" simple: It's just math. Why? Because it's the patterns, not the particles, that matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzCvlFRISIM

[There was a man called Jesus, who was crucified for his beliefs about 2000 years ago. We know that to be true from enough contemporary accounts that have survived from the time.

Those contemporary accounts, outside the Bible, were ... ?

How 'is' 'Belief' of Invisible Man/Being/Entity In The Sky by 'Religions', Not Same as 'Believing' , Invisible Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence, In The Same Sky? You Know, Up There, and Out There.

You can't equate belief in God with belief that there could be intelligent life in the universe capable of sending signals.

Why leave it at this?
Like many things, the brush is broad, distorting reality.
The Matrix of Gary we need, or falsity in this thread shall bleed and bleed and bleed.
How many dimensions will Gary see, for there are at least three!
One, those that believe ETIs exist, believe be! (Yes, neutral or no?)
Two, those that think SETI@Home or something similar shall find the signals, believe be! (Yes, neutral or no?)
Three, Justin Bieber is a reincarnation of a Monkee, now I'm a belieber! (Yes, neutral or no?)

There are certainly fundamentalists running this who hope we never find signals, because then God will have to send Ransom to Perelandra and, my, what a lot of work that would be!

There are certainly those that believe in ETs but not ETIs that expect we shall never find a signal.

And so on.

Use a broad enough brush, distort what it is to believe.

The painter, a worm of Darwin's, he be!

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Resurrection in absurdum.
A fake spiritual healer has been arrested in Pakistan for allegedly killing a follower after promising that he could perform a “miracle” by bringing him back to life.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/fake-spiritual-leader-kills-pakistani-man-miracle-resurrection
On Tuesday the idea was announced, on Wednesday the follower was killed, and on Thursday the overly optimistic Sufi was behind bars for murder.

There was a man called Jesus, who was crucified for his beliefs about 2000 years ago. We know that to be true from enough contemporary accounts that have survived from the time. Some people believe that he was the son of god, but there is no proof that he was the son of any god, and no proof that he wasn't, it is up to each person to believe what they want, call it faith if you like.

From the boob no No Meek Messiah: Christianity's Lies, Laws and Legacy, some very strong information was provided.
At the time of Jesus, there were 129 authors, that wrote about everything pertinent to the time and place. There was another Jesus like character that was widely traveled, and did a lot of good. He was fully documented. Nazareth was nothing but a camp site, until 50 years after Jesus. None of the 129 writers, who are listed in the book, wrote a single thing about Jesus. The very first writings about Jesus were 20 years later, by Peter. Mary and Joseph were not mentioned at all for 150 years. The virgin birth was a copy of several other religious beliefs. Many of the things Jesus was to have said were, except for 2 or 3 words, exact copies of sayings taken from ancient Egyptian mythology. The time lines don't match up with historical facts about Pilot, and others.

By looking at the evidence, it seems to be that Jesus was just invented out of the rubble of previous and current to the time period religions, as a central point. People gave him more powers through the centuries. At first he wasn't the son of God. That came much later. For many years, the regular person wasn't allowed to read the scriptures, because they were so full of holes and contradictions that a child could see through it. The religious leaders had to maintain their power, and even used scientist to build devices for particular churches that would make the people believe that particular church was magical, and a direct link to whatever they wanted.

The whole story, and the existence of Jesus as the root of Christianity, seems to be a cobbled together identity, just like a boy band, or someone in a witness protection program, except they actually exist.

This is easily verifiable, by looking at the time period when a new detail first emerged. The book is heavily footnoted and referenced, providing the actual documents. The ancient Egyptian texts also verify the saying Jesus supposedly made thousands of years later, as being plagiarized.

This does not prove Jesus did not exist, but it certainly points in that direction. You would have thought that at least one of the 129 writers of the time would have written at least one sentence. Even in the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is not a single mention of Jesus, and some of them were dated 100 years after the time of Jesus.

Steve

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Those contemporary accounts, outside the Bible, were ... ?

Non biblical evidence

User 1 makes several posts a day and User 2 a few a week. User 1 replies to nearly everything User 2 says, usually in a rude manner. User 2 puts User 1 on ignore. Which one is the stalker? (Hint: go with the smaller number.)

User 1 is likely a paid lobbyist for Youtube.

Chris: is this link to combat Islam or written by Muslims? Muslim friends I had in grad school stated Jesus existed and died on the cross. But, until his second coming, is not YET the Messiah. (Never ever have I heard anyone claim Mohammed was a Messiah, only a prophet, unless it was an unlearned/misinformed Christian.)
But, this raises another question: did Christians .just plagiarize and change Judaism, then Muslims plagiarized and changed both

Clyde: Steve has provided his evidence, so what evidence do we have for no contemporaneous accounts of Alexander?

There was a man called Jesus, who was crucified for his beliefs about 2000 years ago. We know that to be true from enough contemporary accounts that have survived from the time. Some people believe that he was the son of god, but there is no proof that he was the son of any god, and no proof that he wasn't, it is up to each person to believe what they want, call it faith if you like.

From the boob no No Meek Messiah: Christianity's Lies, Laws and Legacy, some very strong information was provided.
At the time of Jesus, there were 129 authors, that wrote about everything pertinent to the time and place. There was another Jesus like character that was widely traveled, and did a lot of good. He was fully documented. Nazareth was nothing but a camp site, until 50 years after Jesus. None of the 129 writers, who are listed in the book, wrote a single thing about Jesus. The very first writings about Jesus were 20 years later, by Peter. Mary and Joseph were not mentioned at all for 150 years. The virgin birth was a copy of several other religious beliefs. Many of the things Jesus was to have said were, except for 2 or 3 words, exact copies of sayings taken from ancient Egyptian mythology. The time lines don't match up with historical facts about Pilot, and others.

By looking at the evidence, it seems to be that Jesus was just invented out of the rubble of previous and current to the time period religions, as a central point. People gave him more powers through the centuries. At first he wasn't the son of God. That came much later. For many years, the regular person wasn't allowed to read the scriptures, because they were so full of holes and contradictions that a child could see through it. The religious leaders had to maintain their power, and even used scientist to build devices for particular churches that would make the people believe that particular church was magical, and a direct link to whatever they wanted.

The whole story, and the existence of Jesus as the root of Christianity, seems to be a cobbled together identity, just like a boy band, or someone in a witness protection program, except they actually exist.

This is easily verifiable, by looking at the time period when a new detail first emerged. The book is heavily footnoted and referenced, providing the actual documents. The ancient Egyptian texts also verify the saying Jesus supposedly made thousands of years later, as being plagiarized.

This does not prove Jesus did not exist, but it certainly points in that direction. You would have thought that at least one of the 129 writers of the time would have written at least one sentence. Even in the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is not a single mention of Jesus, and some of them were dated 100 years after the time of Jesus.

Steve

Very interesting Steve, thanx!

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Those contemporary accounts, outside the Bible, were ... ?

Non biblical evidence

User 1 makes several posts a day and User 2 a few a week. User 1 replies to nearly everything User 2 says, usually in a rude manner. User 2 puts User 1 on ignore. Which one is the stalker? (Hint: go with the smaller number.)

User 1 is likely a paid lobbyist for Youtube.

Chris: is this link to combat Islam or written by Muslims? Muslim friends I had in grad school stated Jesus existed and died on the cross. But, until his second coming, is not YET the Messiah. (Never ever have I heard anyone claim Mohammed was a Messiah, only a prophet, unless it was an unlearned/misinformed Christian.)
But, this raises another question: did Christians .just plagiarize and change Judaism, then Muslims plagiarized and changed both

Clyde: Steve has provided his evidence, so what evidence do we have for no contemporaneous accounts of Alexander?

I read the book "Zealot" by a respected religious historian, and the evidence seems compelling that Jesus did not in fact exist.

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