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Message 1658240 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 13:52:21 UTC - in response to Message 1658065.  

I think that depended on the individuals level of education and background. Many sailors preferred not to sail far out of sight of land.

That may have had more to do with the fact that sailing for weeks or even months on open sea is a very difficult technical feature. Besides needing a boat that is big enough, you also need to ways to ensure you have enough supplies sustaining the crew for all that time you are on open sea.

The Catholic Church was a strong detriment to scientific knowledge and had a great influence on the peasantry. People were afraid of the unknown which is linked to their strong belief in God or gods. If God's representatives said there was danger beyond the horizon that was enough for them.

People give the catholic church far to much credit when it comes to supposedly stifling scientific knowledge.

We are talking about a time when schools were a rarity and only open for the privileged few. About a time when the average person spend most of their time working in the fields on subsistence farming. You dont need a church telling you not to believe the last stories about science, because odds are that you don't know what the latest advances in science are to begin with.

Actually, while these days its apparently in to complain about the church, people forget the sole reason why science even continued in Europe during the dark ages is BECAUSE of the church. Yeah sure, they hunted a few scientists. They also preserved pretty much all the Roman and Greek artifacts we know off today. And they build and funded a whole bunch of schools and universities throughout Europe. The clergy and members of religious monk orders where for the longest time the few people who had anything resembling an education. Overall I think its safe to say the church has contributed more to science than it has ever detracted.


That surprises me because their basis is quite contradictory. Science, at least empirical science always searchs for answers, for proof. Religion on the other hand sets great store by mysticism.
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Message 1658243 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 13:59:59 UTC - in response to Message 1658234.  
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The Dutch east India Company at least knew where in the world they were, all the Swedes have ever done in rape and pillage on the coat tails of the Norwegians, and were in cahoots with the Goths. Most of whom these days are disoriented teenagers on pot with tattoos!!

LOL You are very off topic. Nevermind:)

Are you an American? No from London.
Then go to York or Dublin.

From 1976 to 1981, the York Archaeological Trust conducted a five-year excavation in and around the street of Coppergate in central York. This demonstrated that, in the 10th century, Jórvík's trading connections reached to the Byzantine Empire and beyond: a cap made of silk survives, and coins from Samarkand were familiar enough and respected enough for a counterfeit to have passed in trade. Both these items, as well as a large human coprolite known as the Lloyds Bank coprolite, were famously recovered in York a millennium later. Amber from the Baltic is often expected at a Viking site and at Jórvík an impractical and presumably symbolic axehead of amber was found. A cowrie shell indicates contact with the Red Sea or the Persian Gulf. Christian and pagan objects have survived side-by-side, usually taken as a sign that Christians were not in positions of authority.

After the excavation, the York Archaeological Trust took the decision to recreate the excavated part of Jórvík on the Coppergate site, and this is now the Jorvik Viking Centre.

York or Jórvík as it was called:)
In 866, Northumbria was in the midst of internecine struggles when the Vikings raided and captured York. Under Viking rule the city became a major river port, part of the extensive Viking trading routes throughout northern Europe. The last ruler of an independent Jórvík, Eric Bloodaxe, was driven from the city in AD 954 by King Edred in his successful attempt to complete the unification of England.

The word York (from Old Norse Jórvík 9th century AD) derives from the Latinised name for the city, variously rendered as Eboracum, Eburacum or Eburaci.
When the Danish army conquered the city in 866, its name became Jórvík.
Jórvík

Jórvík gradually reduced to York in the centuries following the Norman Conquest, moving from the Middle English Yerk in the 14th century through Yourke in the 16th century to Yarke in the 17th century. The form York was first recorded in the 13th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_York

I wonder why the Viking name Jórvík "York" still are used? :):):):)

Its likely that you, Chris S, have viking blood.
Do this https://www.google.se/#tbm=vid&q=bbc+horizon+vikings
The vikings came from what now is Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Iceland.
"Swedish" vikings traveled through whats now Russia and Crimea and opened up trading with Miklagård/Konstantinopel today Istanbul.
In that time Konstantinopel was the largest city in the World.
It was like London today:)

Back to topic Monotheists.

The vikings where Polytheists.
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Message 1658253 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 14:26:28 UTC
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Fair hair and blue eyes are very common in Northern Europe
It has nothing to do with the Vikings:)
If you go to Russia, Estonia and Finland it's the same, fair hair and blue eyes.
The Scandinavian people originate from the Ural, Russia or somewhere!

As I had said Before, I Think I will "convert" to Asatru:)
Many nice Gods to celebrate every day.
Not today though. It's lögardagen today.

btw. I have green Eyes:)
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Message 1658273 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 15:34:00 UTC - in response to Message 1658259.  

I don't believe a single word of it!

LOL. Me neither:)
Green eyes are not green.
It's a mix of blue and brown Eyes:)
In my passport it says "Mixed colours"
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Message 1658280 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 15:51:57 UTC

Back on subject, one god or many, they all serve the same purpose. To give meaning to events that can't be explained by any other means and to provide those in charge with a way to control the masses.
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Message 1658291 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 16:11:43 UTC - in response to Message 1658280.  

Back on subject, one god or many, they all serve the same purpose. To give meaning to events that can't be explained by any other means and to provide those in charge with a way to control the masses.

Asatru and Vikings is polytheism. So my posts fits in.
Discussing monotheism without polytheism is ...
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Message 1658335 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 17:55:17 UTC

An idea -- Many scientists prefer to deal within boundaries, with the
discovered/yet to be discovered laws, therein. Religious approaches to explain perceived reality, including monotheism, appear to focus on a larger scale, even beyond possible boundaries, involving both the "physical" creation, and time. For that, "faith"/"belief" oft-times come into play.

Sci-Fi authors, also, address topics which can stretch the limits, and not just
religious thinkers.

A question: What advantage might monotheism have over other approaches
in explaining reality?

Note: This is not intended as a lead-in on the various political uses of religion.
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Message 1658341 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 18:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 1658335.  

Note: This is not intended as a lead-in on the various political uses of religion.

You are in the SETI Politiks forum :)
Mayby it's should be a SETI Philosofy forum as well.
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Message 1658357 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 19:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 1658335.  

A question: What advantage might monotheism have over other approaches
in explaining reality?

Its simpler to understand. Instead of having to remember the names of dozens of Gods, each with their own sphere of responsibility with monotheism you just have to remember one name and know that he is responsible for everything.

That makes organizing around such a concept also a lot easier. A religion based on multiple gods has to be more complex in its basic set up than a religion with only one God. I mean, you need to build multiple temples, one for every god, every god needs their own priesthood or you need priesthoods covering multiple deities, each deity than has their own associated rituals, etc. Monotheism can keep everything nice and uniform for the most part.
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Message 1658367 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 19:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 1658365.  
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and know that he is responsible for everything.

No she in your thinking then?

Here we now a Word for it
Hen. No no not chicken:)
He masculin
She feminin
Hen in between.

btw Frigga is a female.
Thor is a male.
And there a lot hens in Asgård:)
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Message 1658376 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 20:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 1658365.  

and know that he is responsible for everything.

No she in your thinking then?

Oh you caught my bias. Yes, I automatically assume male when I dont know the gender for sure. With everything and everyone. But this is hardly the topic to discuss the way the patriarchy shapes people's thinking.
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Message 1658382 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 20:17:47 UTC - in response to Message 1658381.  

Thank you very much. I will treasure that reply :-))

And you are replying to whom???
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Message 1658387 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 20:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 1658280.  
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Back on subject, one god or many, they all serve the same purpose. To give meaning to events that can't be explained by any other means and to provide those in charge with a way to control the masses.


... must +1 that. But then the question arises, Is there a God, are there multiple gods? I think this theological question belongs to theology because it can never be answered. So, back to the beginning point, would God or Gods be a made up story by Men, or are they real?
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Message 1658393 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 20:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 1658384.  
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Sorry, my fault, I should know better. I was replying to Мишель

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Message 1658397 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:01:54 UTC

As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According
to the Christian churches I've known, there is no gender/(sex) in heaven.
Jesus, himself provided that bit of enlightenment.

Like it, or not, we are stuck with a monotheism which was given us via
a paternalistic society.

But, feel free to attach labels!
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Message 1658399 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:05:11 UTC
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I kind of like the no-theism perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/28/opinions/atheists-q-and-a/index.html

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Religion is factually wrong. As a result, religion lives on ignorance of facts. The reason people are giving up on mythology is the Internet, and the access to information it represents. When religion can exist in a bubble, the lies it pushes cannot be challenged.

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Message 1658401 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:07:15 UTC - in response to Message 1658397.  

As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According
to the Christian churches I've known, there is no gender/(sex) in heaven.
Jesus, himself provided that bit of enlightenment.

Like it, or not, we are stuck with a monotheism which was given us via
a paternalistic society.

But, feel free to attach labels!


Well, I always label God as a he..
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Message 1658403 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 1658399.  
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I kind of like the no-theism perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/28/opinions/atheists-q-and-a/index.html

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Wished sometimes I could think like that, but it's hard for me, Steve. Seriously. (anyone finding this post offensive can always pm me:)

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Message 1658409 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:18:46 UTC - in response to Message 1658401.  
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As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According
to the Christian churches I've known, there is no gender/(sex) in heaven.
Jesus, himself provided that bit of enlightenment.
Like it, or not, we are stuck with a monotheism which was given us via
a paternalistic society.
But, feel free to attach labels!

Well, I always label God as a he..

Why Julie?
Frigga is female.
Mother Mary is praised by catolics.
Ancient Egypt had some femal deities that the Romans worshipped.
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Message 1658411 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 21:20:15 UTC - in response to Message 1658409.  

As a "head's-up" (This must have been mentioned, earlier.): According
to the Christian churches I've known, there is no gender/(sex) in heaven.
Jesus, himself provided that bit of enlightenment.
Like it, or not, we are stuck with a monotheism which was given us via
a paternalistic society.
But, feel free to attach labels!

Well, I always label God as a he..

Why Julie?
Frigga is female.
Mother Mary is praised by catolics.
Ancient Egypt had some femal deities that the Romans worshipped.


Maybe all men (if they believe, that is) think God is a she? Dunno..
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