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Message 1657907 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 20:36:11 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism

I'd like to gather more information on the subject and hear opinions of anyone who demurs the matter.
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Message 1657915 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 20:51:13 UTC - in response to Message 1657907.  

I'd like to gather more information on the subject and hear opinions of anyone who demurs the matter.

Demur which matter?
Demur monotheism? Ask polytheists.
Demur monotheism? Ask atheists.
Demur all religious delusions? My reply: I am mentally sane, no need for any imaginary beasts.
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Message 1657931 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 21:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 1657915.  

I'd like to gather more information on the subject and hear opinions of anyone who demurs the matter.

Demur which matter?
Demur monotheism? Ask polytheists.
Demur monotheism? Ask atheists.
Demur all religious delusions? My reply: I am mentally sane, no need for any imaginary beasts.


Thank God for that, for your sake. I really don't want to hear people's beliefs, I want to hear people's opinions upon those beliefs. I like your opinion tho.
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Message 1657949 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 21:36:46 UTC

Each religion on earth believes in their own particular god, whatever they choose to call it/him/her. It was the Greeks and the Romans that practised Polytheism. But wouldn't it be nice if all religions realised that they were all worshipping the same god whatever they called it?
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Message 1657950 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 21:37:30 UTC - in response to Message 1657949.  

Each religion on earth believes in their own particular god, whatever they choose to call it/him/her. It was the Greeks and the Romans that practised Polytheism. But wouldn't it be nice if all religions realised that they were all worshipping the same god whatever they called it?

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Message 1657960 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 21:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 1657949.  
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Each religion on earth believes in their own particular god, whatever they choose to call it/him/her. It was the Greeks and the Romans that practised Polytheism. But wouldn't it be nice if all religions realised that they were all worshipping the same god whatever they called it?


+1 Although I resent the word worshipping a bit, every individual should remain rational and realistic in his or her own beliefs.
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Message 1657965 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 21:59:10 UTC

Agreed Julie, but when it comes to religion, people aren't rational are they? Take IS/ISIS for example, they think that what they particularly believe is the only way, and they will shoot you if you don't agree with them.
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Message 1657972 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 22:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1657965.  
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Agreed Julie, but when it comes to religion, people aren't rational are they? Take IS/ISIS for example, they think that what they particularly believe is the only way, and they will shoot you if you don't agree with them.


That's extremism, like sharia for Belgium. Imo, Islam is the 'drama queen' of all religions. Judaism on the other hand holds on to the basics of faith, we do find extremism too there but in a much lesser form, Buddhism too for that matter. ISIS is really a stress point, innit :(

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Message 1657981 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 22:16:49 UTC

I believe, Julie, than monotheism originated in Persia, then spread to
Egypt, and then to the Hebrews. Check it out, however.

I wonder how many people belong to the Flat Earth Society (seriously)?
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Message 1657994 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 22:32:24 UTC - in response to Message 1657981.  

I believe, Julie, than monotheism originated in Persia, then spread to
Egypt, and then to the Hebrews. Check it out, however.

I wonder how many people belong to the Flat Earth Society (seriously)?


I sometimes wonder where it all begun, the singularity, we know on a scientific basis, at least imo (mainstream media grmpf) Religion sprung out of hope I think. Hope also brings extremism, unfortunately.
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Message 1658016 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 23:17:49 UTC - in response to Message 1657981.  

I wonder how many people belong to the Flat Earth Society (seriously)?

HE HE HE.
ALL people from the ancient time knew that the Earth was round.
The babylonians knew it. The greeks knew it. The Vikings knew. The britons knew it. The egyptians knew it.
Why? They was living near the sea:)

Some even calcuted the size of the Earth by 10% accurance!
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Message 1658059 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 1:18:48 UTC - in response to Message 1658016.  

I wonder how many people belong to the Flat Earth Society (seriously)?

HE HE HE.
ALL people from the ancient time knew that the Earth was round.
The babylonians knew it. The greeks knew it. The Vikings knew. The britons knew it. The egyptians knew it.
Why? They was living near the sea:)

Some even calcuted the size of the Earth by 10% accurance!

I think that depended on the individuals level of education and background. Many sailors preferred not to sail far out of sight of land. Even most vikings had to be convinced there was land over the horizon and their discovery of north america came in short hops across the north Atlantic, first to Iceland, then Greenland, then Baffin Island and Finally Newfoundland and Nova Scotia.

Columbus's sailors were terrified that they were sailing off the edge of the world. Vasco Da Gama limited his exploration to sailing south along the coast of Africa before Columbus ventured across the Atlantic. Sure, other explorers had preceded Columbus to the new world but much of that knowledge had been lost or was not widely known at the time. The Catholic Church was a strong detriment to scientific knowledge and had a great influence on the peasantry. People were afraid of the unknown which is linked to their strong belief in God or gods. If God's representatives said there was danger beyond the horizon that was enough for them.

The polynesians on the other hand seemed to have no fear of traversing large expanses of ocean looking for new islands to populate.
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Message 1658065 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 1:31:58 UTC - in response to Message 1658059.  

I think that depended on the individuals level of education and background. Many sailors preferred not to sail far out of sight of land.

That may have had more to do with the fact that sailing for weeks or even months on open sea is a very difficult technical feature. Besides needing a boat that is big enough, you also need to ways to ensure you have enough supplies sustaining the crew for all that time you are on open sea.

The Catholic Church was a strong detriment to scientific knowledge and had a great influence on the peasantry. People were afraid of the unknown which is linked to their strong belief in God or gods. If God's representatives said there was danger beyond the horizon that was enough for them.

People give the catholic church far to much credit when it comes to supposedly stifling scientific knowledge.

We are talking about a time when schools were a rarity and only open for the privileged few. About a time when the average person spend most of their time working in the fields on subsistence farming. You dont need a church telling you not to believe the last stories about science, because odds are that you don't know what the latest advances in science are to begin with.

Actually, while these days its apparently in to complain about the church, people forget the sole reason why science even continued in Europe during the dark ages is BECAUSE of the church. Yeah sure, they hunted a few scientists. They also preserved pretty much all the Roman and Greek artifacts we know off today. And they build and funded a whole bunch of schools and universities throughout Europe. The clergy and members of religious monk orders where for the longest time the few people who had anything resembling an education. Overall I think its safe to say the church has contributed more to science than it has ever detracted.
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Message 1658067 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 1:36:03 UTC - in response to Message 1658059.  
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I wonder how many people belong to the Flat Earth Society (seriously)?

HE HE HE.
ALL people from the ancient time knew that the Earth was round.
The babylonians knew it. The greeks knew it. The Vikings knew. The britons knew it. The egyptians knew it.
Why? They was living near the sea:)

Some even calcuted the size of the Earth by 10% accurance!

I think that depended on the individuals level of education and background. Many sailors preferred not to sail far out of sight of land. Even most vikings had to be convinced there was land over the horizon and their discovery of north america came in short hops across the north Atlantic, first to Iceland, then Greenland, then Baffin Island and Finally Newfoundland and Nova Scotia.

Columbus's sailors were terrified that they were sailing off the edge of the world. Vasco Da Gama limited his exploration to sailing south along the coast of Africa before Columbus ventured across the Atlantic. Sure, other explorers had preceded Columbus to the new world but much of that knowledge had been lost or was not widely known at the time. The Catholic Church was a strong detriment to scientific knowledge and had a great influence on the peasantry. People were afraid of the unknown which is linked to their strong belief in God or gods. If God's representatives said there was danger beyond the horizon that was enough for them.

The polynesians on the other hand seemed to have no fear of traversing large expanses of ocean looking for new islands to populate.


You mention 'Columbus'. Cristoforo Colombo, citizen of the Republic of Genoa, convinced the Spanish crown to fund an expedition in 1492CE looking for a trade route to India/Asia by sailing west. His expedition found 'the New World', later named for someone else.

His expedition was not the first. You mentioned the vikings who founded a colony in what is today Newfoundland, Canada around the year 1000CE.

They were not the first. The Irish made the trip and landed on the mid-Atlantic coast of North America in around the year 800CE. They have found artefacts from the visit and the visit was recorded in Cherokee oral history.

And that is just the known Europeans in recorded history.

There is some amount of archaeological evidence that the Egyptians made the trip around 3000 years ago, and the Chinese making the trip across the Pacific before that. And there were no doubt others.

Apparently, 'Columbus' gets all the credit since large-scale religious conversion of the indigenous peoples of the 'Americas' didn't start until the Spanish Roman-Catholics started it.
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Message 1658074 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 2:11:37 UTC
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I Think we are going out off topic here Ladies and Gents:)
And I did a mistake in a previous post.
The calculated size of the Earth 2500 years ago was almost the same as mordern knowledge by 90%!
It's very easy to first put a pole one year in the sand and going south and do the same next year and doing simple math!

Anyway. Back to monotheism, whatever that means.
Yes. One god but who cares`?
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Message 1658077 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 2:18:40 UTC

Again, I propose that Columbus ( or whatever name is currently correct) received the credit for his discoveries because records of all previous crossings were either lost or unknown to the people of the middle ages and he managed to make his trips during a time when documentation has survived. It is popular now to cite all of the earlier recently discovered explorations as proof that Cristoforo Colombo's voyages were mere follow ons to earlier trail blazers. That ignores the fact that those earlier trips were never sufficiently documented and established as fact AT THE TIME' It's all about documentation.
And it wasn't the church that preserved knowledge of math and the sciences during the dark ages but rather the muslims of north africa. And I don't think I overstate the negative influence of the church toward the advancement of the sciences during that period and later into the middle ages.
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Message 1658078 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 2:20:11 UTC

Hairy HuWoMan woke up today, as all days since their eyes First Gaze upon Mother and lips drawn to oozing teat

Later in Life, New to World HuWoMan Gaze, Feel and Feelings Widened and Encompassed All Around.

A Big Brightness Above would 'warm' them and when darkened, warmth went away. As they felt warmth upon their bodies, when walking Upon 'Ground' especially 'White' 'Ground' the difference Made them Shiver. Same when walking across 'Moving Waters', yet Big Brightness Above still Warmed.

At Night, The Brightness went away and Everywhere above, when neck bent upwards to turned all around Their 'Home' a Different 'Color' Brightness. Almost as Day. Still, much harder to See Dangers. And at certain times, when many Hunts have passed, A Big Brightness, as in day, but 'Color' or 'Light' same as much smaller all up and around.

Same and Same as Many Bright and Not So Brights went by, New HuWoMan grew to Size of 'Big Ones'

'Feelings' of These 'Things' were much as when Big and Little Ones were Smashed and Torn to Pieces by Beasts 'Day' and 'Night'.

Day and Night 'Brightness', continued until Many Many Many Big and Little Ones made No More Noise.

And Every HuWoMan as So Many 'Brightnesses' Passed, these 'Feelings' persisted and Much 'Talked' about.

'Wise' Ones began to 'Tell' All 'Others' Not As Wise, 'Stories' to 'Explain' these 'Feelings'.

Many Many Brightnesses Passed and These 'Feelings' had 'Names' and 'Reason' for 'Being'.

'Believing' Wise Ones 'Words' made Big Ones and Little Ones 'Feel' Less 'Scared' during Brightnesses and Times of 'No Noise'.

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Message 1658083 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 2:41:34 UTC - in response to Message 1658077.  
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Again, I propose that Columbus ( or whatever name is currently correct) received the credit for his discoveries because records of all previous crossings were either lost or unknown to the people of the middle ages and he managed to make his trips during a time when documentation has survived. It is popular now to cite all of the earlier recently discovered explorations as proof that Cristoforo Colombo's voyages were mere follow ons to earlier trail blazers. That ignores the fact that those earlier trips were never sufficiently documented and established as fact AT THE TIME' It's all about documentation.
And it wasn't the church that preserved knowledge of math and the sciences during the dark ages but rather the muslims of north africa. And I don't think I overstate the negative influence of the church toward the advancement of the sciences during that period and later into the middle ages.

Yes.
Many peoples did know about America LONG Before Columbus did. (But he had stories from other saliors)
Ask native Americanes:)
A more but insignificant person is Amerigo Vespucci who realized that America was a continent and not part of India.

But we still call native Americans for Indians.
And I have been to the West Indies:)
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Message 1658090 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 3:03:09 UTC

If I recall from past reading -- the Christian leadership burned the Library
of Alexandria, and not the Muslim. They may have done so, on a lesser basis,
later. Something for Google?
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