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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Ahmed Agiza (Arabic: Ø£Øمد عجيزة‎) and Muhammad Alzery (Arabic: Ù…Øمد الزيري‎) (also Elzari, el-Zary, etc.) were two Egyptian asylum-seekers who were deported to Egypt from Sweden on December 18, 2001, apparently following a request from the United States Central Intelligence Agency. The forced repatriation was criticised because of the danger of torture and ill treatment, and because the deportation decision was executed the same day without notifying the lawyers of the asylum seekers. The deportation was carried out by American and Egyptian personnel on Swedish ground, with Swedish servicemen apparently as passive onlookers. Once again, this is NOT an extradition matter, but an immigration matter. Those two were DEPORTED, therefore more properly the subject should be in another thread. Why not start one? But I will say this much here. I admit that the US can sometimes be a bully-boy on the international stage, especially after we suffered an attack on Sept. 11, 2001. But, as I mentioned, we WERE provoked by that attack. A group of men crashed two airliners into two large buildings in New York City, and one airliner into a Government building outside Washington, DC, at GREAT loss of life. When other nations, supposedly our allies, stood in the way of our investigation, well, of COURSE we turned into a bit of a bully and started throwing our weight around. Had that attack been the work of a nation-state, it would have been a major act of war. As it was, we were trying to root out those individuals and groups responsible. Do I think we went overboard in our reaction to the events of Sept. 11, 2001? Yes I do, both domestically and in foreign nations. But you have to admit we did have at least a certain amount of justification. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Sweden today:( Year 1781 1159 Swedish farmers from Dagö (Estonia) Was displaced to Ukraine. Half of the involuntary settlers died during the difficult trek. A few years ago a Swedish family sought permission to stay their last Days in Sweden. The Migration Board rejected the application. The first sentence Swedes supposed to have said when they arrived to Ukraine was "Nu vära ve rätt narandar!†- Now we became thoroughly deceived. Catherine the Great had in fact promised pre-built houses and sown fields. The reality was an empty, desolate, cold and hard steppe. Coping unbearable, you old Swedes' lives summarized. With war, famine, disease, deportations to Siberia, political persecution and religious harassment. In 1929, 891 people moved to Sweden. But the Swedish reception was not exactly friendly so the majority went on to Canada. Swedish communists persuaded, however, other char to travel back to Stalin's Soviet Promised Land. A few stayed behind, who then settled on the island of Gotland in empty houses from emigrants to America. Today there are only a handful of older kerchief dressed ladies plus a couple of men left in Gammalsvenskby. As thanks for county newspaper columnist Kjell Albin Abrahamsson's visits and gifts, which also written the article, they sang all Swedish hymns and songs. Together, they compared the "You old you free" with the modified closing lines "Yes, I want to live I want to die on earth." To die in the Nordic countries is hardly possible. Maybe should the Swedish villagers instead have been illiterate people from Somalia, writes columnist Kjell Albin Abrahamson in a wonderful ironic way. Read more:http://www.exponerat.net/migrationsverket-nekade-aterflyttande-svenskar-fran-gammalsvenskby/#ixzz3Vax7c5wV |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Once again, this is NOT an extradition matter, but an immigration matter. Those two were DEPORTED, therefore more properly the subject should be in another thread. What ? Once again Major:) An acute diplomatic crisis broke out between the United States and Sweden in 2006 when Swedish authorities put a stop to CIA rendition flights. Daily Svenska Dagbladet wrote that Swedish Military Intelligence posed as airport personnel and boarded one of the two controversial extraordinary rendition flights during a stopover at Stockholm’s Arlanda International Airport. The suspected prisoner transfers were confirmed. A few days before the incident US charge d’affaires at the American Embassy in Stockholm, Steven V. Noble, was summoned by the Swedish Foreign Ministry and questioned about the planned stopover. The Swedish military also set down rules for stopovers. Steven V. Noble wrote in cables reveled that the Swedish government reacted strongly because rules had not been followed. A spokesperson from Säpo, Swedish police Intelligence Service, confirmed parts the newspaper report, adding that there have been no more extraordinary rendition flights landing in Sweden since. The U.S. rendition of two Egyptians from Sweden in 2001 was exposed a year later by an investigative TV pogramme and slammed by Swedish officials, international organizations and human rights groups after reports the prisoners were abused. Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden, were arrested by Swedish police in December 2001. They were taken to Bromma airport in Stockholm, where CIA had their clothes cut from their bodies, suppositories inserted in their anuses and in diapers, overall, handcuffs and chains put on an executive jet with American registration N379P with a crew of masked men. http://www.president-bush.com/torture-jet.html They were flown to Egypt, where they were imprisoned, beaten, and tortured according to reports by Swedish investigative pogramme "Kalla fakta". The Swedish ambassador visited them only six weeks later. In 2008 AL Zery was awarded 500 000 dollars in damages by the Swedish government for the wrongful treatment he received in Sweden and the subsequent torture in Egypt. Immegration matter? Since when can CIA have these rendition flights, nice name though:), from a non-american country to a other non-american country.? And the jurisdiction is? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden, were arrested by Swedish police in December 2001. Sounds like an internal Swedish matter. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden, were arrested by Swedish police in December 2001. Read Again. It's CIA doing renditional flights Outside America and in Europe! Why? CIA Bush Torture Program |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden, were arrested by Swedish police in December 2001. Swedish Police! Has been read again. Or are you saying Sweden is a puppet of the USA and can't say no? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden, were arrested by Swedish police in December 2001. NO CIA Read the bold texts at least. We didn't invite CIA. They came here because they demanded it. Extraordinary rendition provoked a diplomatic crisis between the United States and Sweden in 2006 when Swedish authorities put a stop to CIA rendition flights.[155] In December 2001 Swedish police detained Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden. The police took them to Bromma airport in Stockholm, and then stood aside as masked alleged CIA operatives cut their clothes from their bodies, inserted drugged suppositories in their anuses, and dressed them in diapers and overalls, handcuffed and chained them and put them on an executive jet with American registration N379P. They were flown to Egypt, where they were imprisoned, beaten, and tortured according to an extensive investigate reports by Swedish programme "Kalla fakta".[156] A Swedish Parliamentary investigator concluded that the degrading and inhuman treatment of the two prisoners violated Swedish law.[157] In 2006 the United Nations found Sweden had violated an international torture ban in its complicity in the CIA's transfer of l-Zari to Egypt.[158] Sweden imposed strict rules on rendition flights, but Swedish Military Intelligence posing as airport personnel who boarded one of two subsequent extraordinary rendition flights in 2006 during a stopover at Stockholm’s Arlanda International Airport found the Swedish restrictions were being ignored.[155] In 2008 the Swedish government awarded al-Zery $500,000 in damages for the abuse he received in Sweden and the subsequent torture in Egypt.[155] Are you living in Russia or what? Geeeez. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
The RAPE laws are a little different in Sweden. I think he is actually accused of not using a condom when he told women he would. I certainly think that is worthy of prosecution because the consequences can be so bad. However, that is not the only issue with these charges that suddenly appeared. Where is the logic in that? How is that different than authorities protecting famous celebrities from the consequences when they rape someone? Considering that most RAPE charges go un-prosecuted and the women involved were coerced into making these allegations I wonder which way these "celebrity consequences" are going in this case. I would love to live in a world were RAPE cases were this diligently pursued...but they aren't. They simply aren't. There are 100s of RAPE cases in Sweden that are simply not being dealt with like this. So why now is this one so important that Assange can't even be interviewed abroad? Who is putting pressure on Sweden to get him on their turf where he can be much more easily extradited to the US? Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Thanks Es99. Sweden have no agreement with the USA to extradite Sociopaths such as Julian Assange to USA:) The rape story is a "word against Word" situation. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We didn't invite CIA. They came here because they demanded it. You saying Sweden is a puppet of the USA and can't say no! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
True, but the UK has, so makes one wonder what else is in play here... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
We didn't invite CIA. They came here because they demanded it. Come on Its Friday afternoon here. You haven't read my postings... Extraordinary rendition provoked a diplomatic crisis between the United States and Sweden in 2006 when Swedish authorities put a stop to CIA rendition flights Get real... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We didn't invite CIA. They came here because they demanded it. So before that Sweden was happy with the practice. If their police were delivering people to the airplane they knew what was going on. The reality is as long as it was quiet top levels in Sweden were fine with it. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
We didn't invite CIA. They came here because they demanded it. No Swedes are naive! Drop it Gary. You don't know anything about Swedish policies. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
So why now is this one so important that Assange can't even be interviewed abroad? Who is putting pressure on Sweden to get him on their turf where he can be much more easily extradited to the US? Right, because the US and the UK have such strict rules on extradition that clearly the US needed Assange in Sweden before they could get him to the US. And if the US wants Assange so badly, why haven't they filed an extradition request with either the Swedes or the British? Should be real easy for them, especially when he was in the UK, given how quickly the British are willing to extradite persons from their territory to the US. The US would gain nothing from waiting with the extradition request until Assange is actually in Sweden. Also, look at how they handled the somewhat similar case of Snowden. They made absolutely sure in that case that he could go nowhere without the US hounding him. So why would they bother with all this cloak and dagger nonsense in Assange's case? Beside, Assange is no longer a person of any relevance, hell, he never was anything but a narcissistic attention grabbing drama queen. The person that did the actually dangerous thing is already caught and behind bars. The US going after Assange now would only focus attention on him again, and the US would look like the bad guy. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So why now is this one so important that Assange can't even be interviewed abroad? Who is putting pressure on Sweden to get him on their turf where he can be much more easily extradited to the US? Very as the US already admitted he broke no US law. He wasn't on US soil when he did what he did, he isn't a US citizen. No US law applies. Believe me they looked real hard while he was in the UK and couldn't find anything. If they had he would be cellmates with Manning. All this USA this and USA that crap coming out of his mouth is because he doesn't want to face serious charges in Sweden. Why? Maybe he is guilty? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
No Swedes are naive! Plausible deniability. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
All this USA this and USA that crap coming out of his mouth is because he doesn't want to face serious charges in Sweden. Why? Maybe he is guilty? Mayby Here in Europe we have trials to deal with such problem Not lynch mobs. He can come to Sweden and face the Court as every one else. Extradition will not happen unless CIA force us to do it! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
No Swedes are naive! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
He can come to Sweden and face the Court as every one else. You mean if the CIA asks (forces) Sweden would send its army to remove him from the Ecuadorian embassy in London? (I know English isn't your first language, I'd suggest a better translation program.) The USA does not want him! |
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