Not only the number of hours without sleep should be factored in, but the times of day the hours were logged.

For example, when I worked for NASA in the early '70's, we would work from 07:30 AM - 07:30 PM. Then, the start/end times shifted by 12 hrs, after our days "off". We managed, but am glad we didn't have to pilot airplanes, at times. "Rummy", was the way to describe everyone, after 4-5 hrs, each "day". But, all were aware of it, and didn't strike up any serious conversations -- except necessary stuff -- during the later part of each day. I wonder if pilots are trained to compensate for these effects.

Yes the good old times.
I remember the 70's well:)

But something bad happened by the 90's.
Now its the 10's!
Are aviation security better now? Yes.
Are pilots working situation better now? ??????

Second.
Utter nonsense!
Airbus 320 is made by europian countries.
Yes with some Components from the US.
But since US doesn't understand the over 200 old SI units shit happens.
They cannot even can tell the difference between pounds and kilograms when tanking an aeroplane!

And that silly remark that US have more expertise than the Europian countries to investige a plane crash....

Airbus aircraft are used by our airlines along side Boeing aircraft and the FAA knows just as much about them as they do Boeing aircraft. Before they could fly in the United States they had to go through an airworthy approval process. Inspection and maintenance schedules were developed by the FAA, granted with factory input but every item was approved before the plane could fly a passenger mile in this country. The FAA has been at it for around 90 years improving air travel safety almost all that time. Many of the things we find are adopted by other countries in their air safety programs.

The function of a crash investigation is to find the truth and to do so you call on all the expertise you can lay your hands on. Often we have other countries involved in our investigations. Why not we in yours?

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The function of a crash investigation is to find the truth and to do so you call on all the expertise you can lay your hands on. Often we have other countries involved in our investigations. Why not we in yours?

But the crash investigation by professionals has already been done in 2 Days.
We already know the cause of this tragic event.

Why Americans 2 days later or more?
Are you superior? :) :)

The function of a crash investigation is to find the truth and to do so you call on all the expertise you can lay your hands on. Often we have other countries involved in our investigations. Why not we in yours?

But the crash investigation by professionals has already been done in 2 Days.
We already know the cause of this tragic event.

Why Americans 2 days later or more?
Are you superior? :) :)

A proper study of a crash can take a year or more. Sometimes a crash will bring up side issues not considered. One issue in this case was the damage to the back boxes. Design changes may be in order for them to survive better. Another issue is the Flight recorder hasn't been recovered yet and that may take some rethinking. The autopilot software might be made smarter to avoid some of the issues involved in this crash. The way the plane broke up will teach us how to make aircraft more survivable in a lesser crash. Much will be learned and what is learned may help somebody else survive in the future.

As far as your statement "They cannot even can tell the difference between pounds and kilograms when tanking an aeroplane!", you have the wrong country.

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As far as your statement "They cannot even can tell the difference between pounds and kilograms when tanking an aeroplane!", you have the wrong country.

Yes. I forgot. It was in Canada but you know it's still America.
Sorry but Canadians are talking like US peoples only with a slightly different accent. I cant tell them apart.
But Americans dont realize how many countries, languages and accents there are in Europe:)
We have three different languages in Sweden and a lot of accents that I have to read the subtitles to understand:)


All qualified person are already in place to do a proper investigation!
And it will take some time.
Not like the MH17 where Putin denies Everything:(

We already know the cause of this tragic event.

You know what someone who is not a crash investigator has concluded because he declared the working hypothesis as final.

Until the co-pilot's remains have been autopsied there is a chance the cause is medical. I do doubt that enough of him will be found to come to a conclusion, leaving open the medical possibility for ever. The only way we will know 100% is if they find a suicide note.

As to the rest they still have to verify the plane was operating as commanded by the fight deck.

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Yes. I forgot. It was in Canada but you know it's still America.

You have it right that everybody in North and South America is an American. The proper name for my country is the United States and many in my country don't know that

Sorry but Canadians are talking like US peoples only with a slightly different accent. I cant tell them apart. Americans dont realize how many countries, languages and accents there are in Europe:)
We have three different languages in Sweden and a lot of accents that I have to read the subtitles to understand:)

Canada is half french and I suspect that you speak it. In my country there are languages spoke that that I don't understand. Two of them are Jive and Cajun however jive is not really a language.
On the other hand, Many of the Native Americans still preserve their language and few can speak them. One tribe is located near me and you can't run for tribal office unless you speak the language of the tribe.

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We already know the cause of this tragic event.

You know what someone who is not a crash investigator has concluded because he declared the working hypothesis as final.

Until the co-pilot's remains have been autopsied there is a chance the cause is medical. I do doubt that enough of him will be found to come to a conclusion, leaving open the medical possibility for ever. The only way we will know 100% is if they find a suicide note.

As to the rest they still have to verify the plane was operating as commanded by the fight deck.

Hang on.
The co-pilot's remains are not be found.
There already so many grewsome pictures already on the net.
And above all.
You cannot determin a person if he/she are suffering from depression when the person is alive so what do you expect to find when he/she are dead?
Why would a depressed person leave a suicide note?

We already know the cause of this tragic event.

You know what someone who is not a crash investigator has concluded because he declared the working hypothesis as final.

Until the co-pilot's remains have been autopsied there is a chance the cause is medical. I do doubt that enough of him will be found to come to a conclusion, leaving open the medical possibility for ever. The only way we will know 100% is if they find a suicide note.

As to the rest they still have to verify the plane was operating as commanded by the fight deck.

Hang on.
The co-pilot's remains are not be found.
There already so many grewsome pictures already on the net.
And above all.
You cannot determin a person if he/she are suffering from depression when the person is alive so what do you expect to find when he/she are dead?
Why would a depressed person leave a suicide note?

If they write about their emotions or if they take actions like they are preparing for death. In this case we now know the co pilot had problems with depression but they have uncovered more information that they haven't release yet. He might have been on medications but had to quit them less they be detected in his system. My roommate had to avoid bagels with poppy seeds because she never knew when they were going to do a drug test and she wasn't flying the plane or even on the plane. One time they pulled a drug test on her and she had to sit around for an hour or more drinking fluids so she could make a donation.
On the other hand, we may never know.
Link to mental health article

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You cannot determin a person if he/she are suffering from depression when the person is alive so what do you expect to find when he/she are dead?

Tumor? Aneurism?

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As far as your statement "They cannot even can tell the difference between pounds and kilograms when tanking an aeroplane!", you have the wrong country.

Yes. I forgot. It was in Canada but you know it's still America.
Sorry but Canadians are talking like US peoples only with a slightly different accent. I cant tell them apart.
But Americans dont realize how many countries, languages and accents there are in Europe:)
We have three different languages in Sweden and a lot of accents that I have to read the subtitles to understand:)


All qualified person are already in place to do a proper investigation!
And it will take some time.
Not like the MH17 where Putin denies Everything:(

How is Sweden different than the USA? We have a multitude of languages and various dialects and accents spoken in the USA. Even in Texas we have a bunch.

The top 10 Non-English languages spoken in Texas:

1. Spanish
2. Vietnamese
3. various dialects of Chinese
4. German
5. Tagalog
6. French
7. Korean and Urdu are tied for seventh.
8. Hindi
9. Arabic
10. Various Niger-Congo languages of West Africa (Ibo, Kru, and Yoruba)

And that is just the 'top 10'. Even the English spoken in Texas is highly varied from that spoken in States in the other side of the nation. For instance, Maine.

While a native speaker of Texas English can generally understand MOST of what a native English speaker from Maine says, and vice-versa. There are some rather significant differences in accent, grammar, and idiom to leave them both scratching their heads wondering what the other just said from time to time.

We are not that different.

How pilots are screened

"Ultimately, Vivian said, it isn't obvious how airlines would achieve perfect screening. "I don't know about any tests whereby you can investigate a person's state of mind comprehensively and objectively.""

In this case we now know the co pilot had problems with depression but they have uncovered more information that they haven't release yet.

What is it we know?

We are not that different.

Oh dear. You haven't been to Europé:)

How pilots are screened

"Ultimately, Vivian said, it isn't obvious how airlines would achieve perfect screening. "I don't know about any tests whereby you can investigate a person's state of mind comprehensively and objectively.""

Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has said that there had previously been nothing to suggest that Andreas was mentally unstable.

The pilot's training in 2009 had been briefly interrupted, but was resumed after "his suitability as a candidate was re-established". Carsten Spohr, the chief executive, said he was not allowed to reveal the reason for the interruption. When Lubitz returned, "his performance was without criticism" and "nothing was striking" about his behaviour.

We use a so-called DLR tests. This test is an internationally recognized tool to use to test pilots, says Carsten Spohr.

As far as your statement "They cannot even can tell the difference between pounds and kilograms when tanking an aeroplane!", you have the wrong country.

Yes. I forgot. It was in Canada but you know it's still America.
Sorry but Canadians are talking like US peoples only with a slightly different accent. I cant tell them apart.
But Americans dont realize how many countries, languages and accents there are in Europe:)
We have three different languages in Sweden and a lot of accents that I have to read the subtitles to understand:)


All qualified person are already in place to do a proper investigation!
And it will take some time.
Not like the MH17 where Putin denies Everything:(

How is Sweden different than the USA? We have a multitude of languages and various dialects and accents spoken in the USA. Even in Texas we have a bunch.

The top 10 Non-English languages spoken in Texas:

1. Spanish
2. Vietnamese
3. various dialects of Chinese
4. German
5. Tagalog
6. French
7. Korean and Urdu are tied for seventh.
8. Hindi
9. Arabic
10. Various Niger-Congo languages of West Africa (Ibo, Kru, and Yoruba)

And that is just the 'top 10'. Even the English spoken in Texas is highly varied from that spoken in States in the other side of the nation. For instance, Maine.

While a native speaker of Texas English can generally understand MOST of what a native English speaker from Maine says, and vice-versa. There are some rather significant differences in accent, grammar, and idiom to leave them both scratching their heads wondering what the other just said from time to time.

We are not that different.

You forgot something.
Swedish:)

The Mail claims to know it all ....
Mail

I Heard that page 3 is very educating:)

Nope, that is the Sun, although these days it is hard to tell the difference I agree :-))

The Sun:)
In the good old times they used it for wrapping the fish&chips...
The Times where for the connoisseurs:)

We are not that different.

Oh dear. You haven't been to Europé:)

Oh yes, I have most certainly been to Europe. You assume too much.

I must say that of the European nations I have visited, my favorite would have to be Spain. Beautiful scenery, friendly people, a lot of history, grand architecture, grand art, high culture, and (of course) some of the most delicious food I have ever eaten (not to mention the best wine I have ever tasted (it was a red table wine not even anything fancy) -- don't tell the French this, it might make them mad). Even the terrorists there were nice and friendly, calling the authorities and telling them exactly where they planted their bombs, before they went off.

About the only really negative experience I had in Spain (other than, of course, my visits have been too short) was the harbour in Barcelona... Now it was not their fault, but it was kinda stinky. It was difficult for me to enjoy seeing the monument to Columbus there in the harbour.

We are not that different.

Oh dear. You haven't been to Europé:)

Oh yes, I have most certainly been to Europe. You assume too much.

I must say that of the European nations I have visited, my favorite would have to be Spain. Beautiful scenery, friendly people, a lot of history, grand architecture, grand art, high culture, and (of course) some of the most delicious food I have ever eaten (not to mention the best wine I have ever tasted (it was a red table wine not even anything fancy) -- don't tell the French this, it might make them mad). Even the terrorists there were nice and friendly, calling the authorities and telling them exactly where they planted their bombs, before they went off.

About the only really negative experience I had in Spain (other than, of course, my visits have been too short) was the harbour in Barcelona... Now it was not their fault, but it was kinda stinky. It was difficult for me to enjoy seeing the monument to Columbus there in the harbour.

There you go. It's very nice here Major:)
Stocholm was very stinky when we used to have a big summer festival.

But as you know we a lot of dark pages as well.
I have moved 500 km from my hometown Stocholm.
Why, my GF moved and I followed her and didn't listen to her advice...
Last tuesday I was attacked by a lynch mob that said.
"I can hear you are not coming from here ! Where are you coming from?"
After a short while 3 !!! police officers came.
One of them said!
"I can hear you are not coming from here ! Where are you coming from?"

Yes Mumintrollet are upset today in my thread!!!!