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Message 1657374 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 19:56:56 UTC

1) Buzz Aldrin had the good fortune of traveling with Neil Armstrong, a
psychopath (most are beneficial, to society; ref. "The Wisdom of Psychopaths",
by Kevin Dutton). His (monitored) heart-beat was lower than average, when
he set their vehicle down on the moon.

2) Ques.: How much sleep did the copilot have, prior to his flight? Some
bizarre thoughts can occur, even with "normal" people, who are sleep-deprived.
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Message 1657379 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 20:30:26 UTC
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Now comes the hard part. Investigators will need to take apart his house/apartment, computer, bank account and social life. He could be a terrorist, blackmailed or depressed. Of these options, depression could be one of the hardest to prove because he could have been depressed for years and learned how to live with it. To outsiders there would be no recent changes to pick up on.
It may be a long time before we learn why this happened.
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Message 1657383 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 20:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 1657374.  

2) Ques.: How much sleep did the copilot have, prior to his flight? Somebizarre thoughts can occur, even with "normal" people, who are sleep-deprived.

Thats a very good point Jim.
Long hours on whatever job it is are not good.

Rapid economic development brings more flights.
But when companies can't keep up with the progress, then security are affected.
It says aviation security analyst Hans Kjäll.
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Message 1657385 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 20:57:41 UTC
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An update on the crash status. They still haven't found the second black box but they do have some flight data on the autopilot. Fox News.
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Message 1657388 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 21:10:59 UTC - in response to Message 1657383.  

2) Ques.: How much sleep did the copilot have, prior to his flight? Somebizarre thoughts can occur, even with "normal" people, who are sleep-deprived.

Thats a very good point Jim.
Long hours on whatever job it is are not good.

Rapid economic development brings more flights.
But when companies can't keep up with the progress, then security are affected.
It says aviation security analyst Hans Kjäll.

Pilots are very restricted as to how many hours they can fly. On some of the longer flights they need to carry a spare crew to take over when the first crew runs out of time. These planes are often equipped with sleeping quarters for the off duty crew. Now there is a problem and that is shift changes can cause sleep issues and there is no way the airline can control the party behavior of the flight crew before the flight. Crews have been known to show up under the influence - a big no no.

My roommate told me about a pilot who after takeoff would turn control over to the copilot and then fall asleep. The copilot had his fill of this so he planed his revenge. He waited for a flight where the airport was on the coast and they needed to enter a pattern over water. Upon reaching that point, he put the gauges in test mode so the gauges would read no fuel. He then pretended he was asleep. The pilot soon woke up and saw nothing but water, the copilot asleep and no fuel in the tanks. That broke him of the habit.
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Message 1657397 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 21:33:44 UTC

Actually glad to see you write this Mark, considering some of your posts on Fridays.


ROTFLMAO.

How Many Serial Killers, Mass Murderers, Terrorists and Other 'Killers', been Slapped on the Back for a 'Good One', Praised for Unexpected 'Kindness', given Promotions, Raises, and Awards, and All Other Manner of Adulations, right before, this
'Great Person' Wipes Out So Many? Again, ROTFLMAO. I'm Dead and In Hell and 'See' The Great Ironies of 'Life' and 'GOoDness'.

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Message 1657403 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 21:44:29 UTC - in response to Message 1657388.  
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Pilots are very restricted as to how many hours they can fly.

Nope! There are many low budget companies that doesn't follow international rules.
Crews have been known to show up under the influence - a big no no

Yes. It has even been documented.
Big party 4 hours Before take off.
My sister worked at British Airways and met pilots in the bar before take off.
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Message 1657408 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 21:54:47 UTC - in response to Message 1657403.  

Pilots are very restricted as to how many hours they can fly.

Nope! There are many low budget companies that doesn't follow international rules.

I am not sure what the rules are for other countries but our rules are very restrictive.
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Message 1657415 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 22:14:56 UTC - in response to Message 1657408.  

FBI assisting in crash investigation. CNN.
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Message 1657420 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 22:26:58 UTC - in response to Message 1657408.  
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Pilots are very restricted as to how many hours they can fly.

Nope! There are many low budget companies that doesn't follow international rules.

I am not sure what the rules are for other countries but our rules are very restrictive.

I said low budget companies doesn't follow international rules.
Rules are one thing, implemention are another thing.
Facts of Life...
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Message 1657421 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 22:27:20 UTC - in response to Message 1657415.  

FBI assisting in crash investigation. CNN.

Why?
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Message 1657436 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:07:27 UTC - in response to Message 1657421.  

FBI assisting in crash investigation. CNN.

Why?


Maybe a link to terrorism?
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Message 1657440 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:11:03 UTC - in response to Message 1657430.  

FBI assisting in crash investigation. CNN.

Why?

Some of his Training was in Arizona.

Yes In 2013, the United States Federal Aviation Administration FAA praised Andreas Lubitz. This after he distinguished himself during his safety training, "lead by example" said the FAA.
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Message 1657441 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:11:49 UTC - in response to Message 1657436.  

FBI assisting in crash investigation. CNN.

Why?

Maybe a link to terrorism?

No Lynn:)
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Message 1657444 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:15:54 UTC - in response to Message 1657420.  
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Pilots are very restricted as to how many hours they can fly.

Nope! There are many low budget companies that doesn't follow international rules.

I am not sure what the rules are for other countries but our rules are very restrictive.

I said low budget companies doesn't follow international rules.
Rules are one thing, implemention are another thing.
Facts of Life...

In this country every flight hour is recorded and open to FAA inspection. They find a problem and you don't fly anymore. Other countries I don't know. My roommate took the word of a co worker and signed off and item she didn't inspect. The device failed (nobody harmed) and she ended up with a two week unpaid vacation. On another occasion a plane went down that she had worked on years before and had to explain the repair she did. No - you don't fool with the FAA in this country if you fly under it's flag.

[quote]FBI assisting in crash investigation. CNN.

Why?

Two reasons. First, Americans were on the plane and second it's very common for the FBI and FAA to be involved in accident investigations in other countries. Both groups are very skilled in investigations as well as both have lab resources to extract every bit of data out of evidence. Most countries send their black boxes to us if it's a american made plane. I suspect Airbus uses a black box that is better reviewed in Europe. Who better to examine the time the co pilot spent in the United States while he was training or any layovers he might have had in this country.
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Message 1657452 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:38:57 UTC

I'm nobody, but I tend to agree with Dena about hours flown. While living for three years in Atlanta, Georgia I was well acquainted with an Eastern Airlines copilot who was also a very gifted model builder and artist. Due to FAA rules he rarely worked more than two weeks per month even though he would have loved to fly more.

I don't know how accurate the movie "Flight" starring Denzel Washington was but it told a pretty damning story about drug and alcohol abuse by flight crews including flight attendants. But it also made it clear that when such abuses are revealed the FAA will come down hard on those who are caught.

50,000 flights a day and only four known instances of a pilot or copilot killing him/herself and all the passengers. Since 1950 that would make the chances of such an event happening on any given flight over 300 million to 1. When you look at it that way this event, no matter how tragic, is statistically insignificant.
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Message 1657457 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:51:59 UTC - in response to Message 1657444.  

Two reasons. First, Americans were on the plane and second it's very common for the FBI and FAA to be involved in accident investigations in other countries.
Both groups are very skilled in investigations as well as both have lab resources to extract every bit of data out of evidence.
Most countries send their black boxes to us if it's a american made plane.
I suspect Airbus uses a black box that is better reviewed in Europe.
Who better to examine the time the co pilot spent in the United States while he was training or any layovers he might have had in this country.

First It was Three! americans on board!

Second.
Utter nonsense!
Airbus 320 is made by europian countries.
Yes with some Components from the US.
But since US doesn't understand the over 200 old SI units shit happens.
They cannot even can tell the difference between pounds and kilograms when tanking an aeroplane!

And that silly remark that US have more expertise than the Europian countries to investige a plane crash....

The German victims include 16 teenage students and their two teachers and two opera singers, one with her husband and infant child.
Fifty Spanish nationals were on board, junior security minister Francisco Martinez has said.
There were also at least three British nationals,
three Americans,
two Australians,
two Argentines,
two Mexicans,
two Colombians,
two Venezuelans,
a Chilean, Belgian, Dane and Dutch person.
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Message 1657458 - Posted: 26 Mar 2015, 23:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 1657452.  
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50,000 flights a day and only four known instances of a pilot or copilot killing him/herself and all the passengers. Since 1950 that would make the chances of such an event happening on any given flight over 300 million to 1. When you look at it that way this event, no matter how tragic, is statistically insignificant.

Yes it's very very very statistically insignificant.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76978&postid=1657367#1657367
Are people afraid to go out in a thunderstorm?
Guess not. But how many have been killed by a Lightning in Florida when playing golf?
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Message 1657463 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 0:06:28 UTC
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Not only the number of hours without sleep should be factored in, but the times of day the hours were logged.

For example, when I worked for NASA in the early '70's, we would work from 07:30 AM - 07:30 PM. Then, the start/end times shifted by 12 hrs, after our days "off". We managed, but am glad we didn't have to pilot airplanes, at times. "Rummy", was the way to describe everyone, after 4-5 hrs, each "day". But, all were aware of it, and didn't strike up any serious conversations -- except necessary stuff -- during the later part of each day. I wonder if pilots are trained to compensate for these effects.
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Message 1657464 - Posted: 27 Mar 2015, 0:12:17 UTC - in response to Message 1657458.  

50,000 flights a day and only four known instances of a pilot or copilot killing him/herself and all the passengers. Since 1950 that would make the chances of such an event happening on any given flight over 300 million to 1. When you look at it that way this event, no matter how tragic, is statistically insignificant.

Yes it's very very very statistically insignificant.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76978&postid=1657367#1657367
Are people afraid to go out in a thunderstorm?
Guess not. But how many have been killed by a Lightning in Florida when playing golf?

So, now the question is, how many millions will the airlines and governments pay to institute new rules with the aim of preventing another such occurrence. People still don't like to admit or accept the fact that (stuff) happens and there isn't always a way to prevent such (stuff) from taking place.
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