Bernie the point about the Enigma machine was simply the fact you guys nearly lost the war because of it . I know they had other forms of encryption but it was the subs that where doing the real damage and it was that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war .

The big differance between to day and then is the computer . You can't use a computer to break the 256 bit encryption of crypto currency's in a timely manner there fore any info is stale and useless which is the real lesson of the enigma machine not how it was made but the fact it made it extremely hard for the allies to know what the enemy was doing and is now even harder as the codes are design'd to not be broken quickly enough to be use full so crypto is not only bad for us to know what the crim's or terrorists are doing ,but we can't even stop there money flow.

You are right again Glenn:)
To break encryption by using brute force takes time.
But it helps if you know about the machine, today the code, and how it's used:)
http://www.enigmaathome.net/
Enigma@Home is a wrapper between BOINC and Stefan Krah's M4 Project.
"The M4 Project is an effort to break 3 original Enigma messages with the help of distributed computing. The signals were intercepted in the North Atlantic in 1942 and are believed to be unbroken."
You can participate by downloading and running a free program on your computer.

Bernie the point about the Enigma machine was simply the fact you guys nearly lost the war because of it . I know they had other forms of encryption but it was the subs that where doing the real damage and it was that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war .

But they did NOT have a working naval Enigma machine to break the code, so your assertions are wrong.

You also suggested that Colossus was used to break the naval Enigma again wrong, that is what I was correcting you on.

You have stated several "facts" about Enigma that are incorrect.

I have a very high regard for the people who worked at Bletchley Park and do not want people getting the story wrong, it was hidden for too long and many never received the recognition they deserved.

Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years, we still would have won it just would have been longer and bloodier.

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Bernie the point about the Enigma machine was simply the fact you guys nearly lost the war because of it . I know they had other forms of encryption but it was the subs that where doing the real damage and it was that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war .

But they did NOT have a working naval Enigma machine to break the code, so your assertions are wrong.
You also suggested that Colossus was used to break the naval Enigma again wrong, that is what I was correcting you on.
You have stated several "facts" about Enigma that are incorrect.
I have a very high regard for the people who worked at Bletchley Park and do not want people getting the story wrong, it was hidden for too long and many never received the recognition they deserved.
Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years, we still would have won it just would have been longer and bloodier.

You are incorrect.

Bernie the point about the Enigma machine was simply the fact you guys nearly lost the war because of it . I know they had other forms of encryption but it was the subs that where doing the real damage and it was that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war .

But they did NOT have a working naval Enigma machine to break the code, so your assertions are wrong.
You also suggested that Colossus was used to break the naval Enigma again wrong, that is what I was correcting you on.
You have stated several "facts" about Enigma that are incorrect.
I have a very high regard for the people who worked at Bletchley Park and do not want people getting the story wrong, it was hidden for too long and many never received the recognition they deserved.
Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years, we still would have won it just would have been longer and bloodier.

You are incorrect.

OK so which part?

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Yes Bernie i agree with you about Bletchley Park they where geniuses but i'm not so shore you are 100% correct about Collusses as i'm shore they ended up using it to decode the messages even if that was not what it was origanally disignd for and i'm also shore they did get a working enigma machine from a sub but i will concead i may be wrong on that part

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I have been to Bletchly Park, I have seen the bombes, both pictures, diagrams and the working recreation. I have seen displays and read a lot on the work there.

The rebuilt Colossus is not actually in Bletchely Park but at the National Computer Museum a little removed in a separate building. The first thing you are told by the guides is that Alan Turing and Enigma had almost nothing to do with Colossus and then they explain exactly what happened and how. They have a working "Tunney" machine, the forerunner of Colossus. Remember Colossus was not working till December 1943 and not installed at Bletchely until Feb 1944, the bombes were in use from 1941.

The Enigma team did get code books and rotor position charts from captured subs and ships, but no complete working naval enigma machine with all 8 rotors and plugboard.

Naval Enigma was cracked by Alan Turing and his team with help from the bombes and lazy German Enigma operators. The weakest link in any code is the user.

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But they did NOT have a working naval Enigma machine to break the code, so your assertions are wrong.
You also suggested that Colossus was used to break the naval Enigma again wrong, that is what I was correcting you on.
You have stated several "facts" about Enigma that are incorrect.
I have a very high regard for the people who worked at Bletchley Park and do not want people getting the story wrong, it was hidden for too long and many never received the recognition they deserved.
Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years, we still would have won it just would have been longer and bloodier.

You are incorrect.

OK so which part?

You don't have the time to break a code. It's almost impossible to find out the keys. Today perhaps it will take some thousands years to do it.
SETI crunching are probably more likely to find ET before that:)

Instead we use pattern recognition to "break a code".
That very same way that Turing did during WWII.
And he is the "inventor" together with other members in the the team to make the maths and methods that we still use today.
Bletchley Park was very lucky when the Germans used the same key over and over again.

But they did NOT have a working naval Enigma machine to break the code, so your assertions are wrong.
You also suggested that Colossus was used to break the naval Enigma again wrong, that is what I was correcting you on.
You have stated several "facts" about Enigma that are incorrect.
I have a very high regard for the people who worked at Bletchley Park and do not want people getting the story wrong, it was hidden for too long and many never received the recognition they deserved.
Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years, we still would have won it just would have been longer and bloodier.

You are incorrect.

OK so which part?

You don't have the time to break a code. It's almost impossible to find out the keys. Today perhaps it will take some thousands years to do it.
SETI crunching are probably more likely to find ET before that:)

Instead we use pattern recognition to "break a code".
That very same way that Turing did during WWII.
Bletchley Park was very lucky when the Germans used the same key over and over again.

Sorry so exactly what was I incorrect on?

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Sorry so exactly what was I incorrect on?

"But they did NOT have a working naval Enigma machine to break the code."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-559
I Think Mike Jagger produced a film about it.
"Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years"
Thats an opinion not a fact.

From your link.

They retrieved the U-boat's Enigma key setting sheets with all current settings for the U-boat Enigma network.

The Enigma material they retrieved was immensely valuable to the code-breakers at Bletchley Park, who had been unable to read U-boat Enigma for nine months. The captured material allowed them to read the cyphers for several weeks, and to break U-boat Enigma thereafter

Not the complete working Enigma machine.

By this time Bletchely Park had cracked Enigma, but settings had been changed, hence the " unable to read U-boat Enigma for nine months"

Also remember the analysts have said that the work at Bletchley Park shortened the war by about two years"
Thats an opinion not a fact.

Indeed it is an expert opinion, but no more or less than Glenn saying "that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war ." Also an opinion.

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Indeed it is an expert opinion, but no more or less than Glenn saying "that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war ." Also an opinion.

He didn't meant that "code above all the others which if you had not broken lost you the war".
There is no "code above all the others".
I Think he explained it better in some other postings...

Bernie the point about the Enigma machine was simply the fact you guys nearly lost the war because of it. I know they had other forms of encryption but it was the subs that where doing the real damage and it was that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war.

Sorry Glenn, have to stop you there. Had Britain carried on with the way it was going up to June 1942, she may have been forced into surrendering.

Battle of the Atlantic - Captain "Johnnie" Walker

Enigma had very little to do with his tactics & his commander, Admiral Sir Max Horton was himself a WWI Sub Commander so knew what was needed.

What the admiralty said about Captain Walker...

Captain Frederic John Walker more than any other won the Battle of the Atlantic.

“His methods had amazing success and, more than any other factor, gave the Royal Navy supremacy. No tribute could be too high for the work he carried out.”

Indeed it is an expert opinion, but no more or less than Glenn saying "that code above all the others which if you had not broken would have lost you the war ." Also an opinion.

He didn't meant that "code above all the others which if you had not broken lost you the war".
There is no "code above all the others".
I Think he explained it better in some other postings...

Yes what he meant was naval Enigma. He was saying that if the British hadn't broken it we would have lost the war, that of course cannot be proved beyond doubt. So I was just using what was said by the experts about Bletchley Park and the work done there, it is of course all conjecture neither point can never be proved beyond doubt.

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He was saying that if the British hadn't broken it we would have lost the war

What do you mean? The Enigma "code" has not been broken.
They use brute force to decrypte uboat messages from WWII even today just for fun.
2 messages where "broken" in a couple of months.
The third took several years to decode!

FNYG MXHU broken
Today around 02:30 GMT+2 ThrasherX-17 from team Keep The Fire Alive! returned the plaintext of 76 letters long FNYG MXHU message:
leitungvvvuuustuetzpktxwwwhavenxxfffttteunszwozwovierhuermitvrrhhhvvvgeloest
unszwozwovier is 1224 in German.

The message says:
"AN LEITUNG VON U BOOT STUETZPUNKT WILHELMSHAVEN: FUNKTELEGRAMM EINS ZWO ZWO VIER HIER MIT RHV GELOEST"
Which translates to:
"[To] Control from Submarine Base Wilhelmshaven: Radio message 1224 solved with RHV"

Since infinitely many private keys can be made, no government could possess them all.

Nonsense!
My source is this but it's in Postscript format so I will explain later if some wants to.
•Paper by Ravi Ganesan and Alan T. Sherman: Statistical Techniques for Language Recognition
http://www.cs.umbc.edu/pub/REPORTS/cs-93-02.ps

http://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/vpns/prime-numbers-public-key-cryptography-969. Primes (numerical or polynomial) are heavily relied upon in the creation of keys. http://primes.utm.edu/notes/proofs/infinite/euclids.html 2300 or was so, Euclid proved there are infinitely many primes.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

...Pity the yanks only see dollar signs in everything otherwise they mite not have released crypto to the world but then that would have meant they had to use there brain which there not too good at .

That's at least twice you've used "released crypto", and that it was stupid of the Americans.
Not sure what you mean by that.
Was Crypto a dog with rabies, or maybe a terrorist called "crypto"?
How would his/its release be stupid of the Yanks?

As far as I know crypto is a term meaning that it is in code.It dosent refer to any specific code.
And if you use a one time pad and follow the strict use of such onetime pads. No code will be broken.
However when you add humans into the mix. You get mixed results.

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Old James

...Pity the yanks only see dollar signs in everything otherwise they mite not have released crypto to the world but then that would have meant they had to use there brain which there not too good at .

That's at least twice you've used "released crypto", and that it was stupid of the Americans.
Not sure what you mean by that.
Was Crypto a dog with rabies, or maybe a terrorist called "crypto"?
How would his/its release be stupid of the Yanks?

I believe he is referring to Crypto currency

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297902 umm can you tell me then how every one can now do Crypto Currency's if someone did not release it to the public . Or did it just appear out of nowhere ?

I suggest you go to some of the sites and read up on why they say they have ......... to the public , it's not freedom mate that is all B/S it's more about TAX avoidance and hiding your money or money laundering

oh right I see your flag are you one of the sigma , alpha , gamma people ...... Next you will tell me that it's all a beat up what was said on the news about that fraternity

Was Crypto a dog with rabies, or maybe a terrorist called "crypto"?
How would his/its release be stupid of the Yanks?

Now listen carefully here is what you do , go to the start of the thread and read every post carefully , hell you might have to read it a few times by the sounds of it and then you may understand why IT'S STUPID TO ALLOW YOUR EMEMYS TO HAVE A WAY OF COMMUNICATING AND TRANSFERING MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL SYSTEMS WHICH THE SECURITY PEOPLE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT , oh god how the hell do think ISIS is still getting money to fight there war if all normal channels are now blocked , except crypto currency's which can't be traced or broken and the same goes for criminals whom are using Crypto currency's .

Edit : umm wonder why one of the crypto currency's is called DODGE coin sounds American to me but hey I'm a fear guy maybe it was called DODGE as in "dodge the taxman"

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That's at least twice you've used "released crypto", and that it was stupid of the Americans.
Not sure what you mean by that.
Was Crypto a dog with rabies, or maybe a terrorist called "crypto"?
How would his/its release be stupid of the Yanks?

"released crypto"?
Crypto is public domain and the methods are well known.
For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security
Read about Linux and it's use of cryptos.
https://www.google.se/#q=linux%20crypto%20api

Nonsense Chris!
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works
There are several cryptographic technologies that make up the essence of Bitcoin.
https://www.google.se/#q=bitcoin%20cryptography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin#Security