no it's a fine/fee and nobody has ever done community service as they always get time to pay .

And as I said you get the choice of not putting your name on the roll in the first place and if you don't vote then you don't get fined that is your choice to abstain

There are costs in maintaining a election roll you are not charged to put your name on it but to stop the costs from spiralling out of control there is a fee/fine to remove you from the roll and to stop abuse of it .

In other words elections are not a joke so once you chose to join in then don't stuff the Gov around by putting your name on and off at will and to take the whole thing serious witch I don't think happens in other country's .

Your view would be to introduce electronic voting as a way to reduce the cost of election rolls but once again the simlpletons view that does not think past the how do we save money on this and dismisses the problems with that sort of solution fraud .

One day you may just understand how to get to Utopia and it can't be done without social engineering good luck as it doesn't seem to be working in your own country does it your way I mean

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no it's a fine/fee and nobody has ever done community service as they always get time to pay .

I'm not sure why what I'm saying is so difficult for you to simply say "yeah, that's how it is over here". It's a fine or community service. It doesn't matter if no one does community service, that's the compulsory motivation for forcing people to vote. It is as I said.

Your view would be to introduce electronic voting ...

I really don't think you're in a position to tell me what my view is. Have we had discussions about my views on electronic voting? No? Then don't do the same thing CLYDE does to everyone, otherwise you're just as guilty of putting words in other people's mouths based upon your own assumptions.

no it's a fine/fee and nobody has ever done community service as they always get time to pay .

I'm not sure why what I'm saying is so difficult for you to simply say "yeah, that's how it is over here". It's a fine or community service. It doesn't matter if no one does community service, that's the compulsory motivation for forcing people to vote. It is as I said.

As you say, that isn't freedom, any more than compulsory jury duty is freedom, or military service. If you are compelled you are a slave.

Yes, it is a very minor thing, but how does that saying go about the camel getting his nose in the tent?

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no it's a fine/fee and nobody has ever done community service as they always get time to pay .

I'm not sure why what I'm saying is so difficult for you to simply say "yeah, that's how it is over here". It's a fine or community service. It doesn't matter if no one does community service, that's the compulsory motivation for forcing people to vote. It is as I said.

As you say, that isn't freedom, any more than compulsory jury duty is freedom, or military service. If you are compelled you are a slave.

Yes, it is a very minor thing, but how does that saying go about the camel getting his nose in the tent?

Some people over there may think that it's a duty overtaking civil freedoms, but we look at it as having civic pride in our country to make sure that it has the best government available for us and that there can be no arguments or coverups on the outcome unlike in other countries where <50% vote and 24% decide the outcome, more so when you consider that most of that 24% could the total sum of imbeciles in that country (as we have also seen elsewhere).

Cheers.

no it's a fine/fee and nobody has ever done community service as they always get time to pay .

I'm not sure why what I'm saying is so difficult for you to simply say "yeah, that's how it is over here". It's a fine or community service. It doesn't matter if no one does community service, that's the compulsory motivation for forcing people to vote. It is as I said.

As you say, that isn't freedom, any more than compulsory jury duty is freedom, or military service. If you are compelled you are a slave.

Yes, it is a very minor thing, but how does that saying go about the camel getting his nose in the tent?

Some people over there may think that it's a duty overtaking civil freedoms, but we look at it as having civic pride in our country to make sure that it has the best government available for us and that there can be no arguments or coverups on the outcome unlike in other countries where <50% vote and 24% decide the outcome, more so when you consider that most of that 24% could the total sum of imbeciles in that country (as we have also seen elsewhere).

50% turnout is huge! Try https://www.lavote.net/ElectionResults/Text/3577 the last election in Los Angeles County where 17.1% was the turnout.

Total Registrations 	5,254,698 	
Vote by Mail Ballots 	  486,219
Poll Ballots 	          412,014

And now all of you know why tRump is in office. American's don't have a "NONE OF THE ABOVE nincompoops" choice.

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And now all of you know why tRump is in office. American's don't have a "NONE OF THE ABOVE nincompoops" choice.

So true!

On April Fools' Day, the Russian Foreign Ministry came up with a jape that took aim at the accusations against Russia which have become hot topics in the US :)

The Russian Foreign Ministry created "a new answer message" for Moscow's diplomatic missions abroad kindly offering callers such services as election meddling, Russian hackers' tradecraft, and a defamatory call to their political opponent.
"To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponents press one. To use the services of Russian hacker, press two. To request election interference press three, and wait until the next election campaign. Please note, that all calls are recorded for quality improvement and training purposes," the voice told callers.

And now all of you know why tRump is in office. American's don't have a "NONE OF THE ABOVE nincompoops" choice.

I know (hope? well the reply was) you're kidding, but just for anyone outside the U.S. who might think this is actually true... the write-in candidate can be any "nincompoop" the voter chooses, and there is a list at the bottom of the article of candidates (some quite famous ones) who won though not on the ballot with write-in/sticker votes.

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And now all of you know why tRump is in office. American's don't have a "NONE OF THE ABOVE nincompoops" choice.

I know (hope? well the reply was) you're kidding, but just for anyone outside the U.S. who might think this is actually true... the write-in candidate can be any "nincompoop" the voter chooses, and there is a list at the bottom of the article of candidates (some quite famous ones) who won though not on the ballot with write-in/sticker votes.

Some jurisdictions require write-in candidates be registered as official candidates before the election.

I think Wiki is wrong with the word "some," and that word should be "most." IIRC there is only one state that doesn't require registration to count write-in's. In all the others unless the person is registered the write-in is abstention or voids the ballot. The powers that be want to retain power at all costs.

None of the above is the only way to break the two party system.

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http://tass.com/world/938600

MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. In the period of 2009 through 2016, the Russian Justice Ministry recognized 95 materials circulated by the Jehovah’s Witnesses Managerial Center in Russia religious organization as the ones having an extremist nature, the ministry said in a report at its official homepage.
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On April 5, Russia’s Supreme Court will hear a lawsuit wherein the Justice Ministry seeks to recognize the Jehova’s Witnesses as a religious organization, to disband it and to ban its operations in Russia.

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World’s biggest nuclear sub to show off in the Baltic
Russia will show its strongest naval muscles at the Navy Parade in July.
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/04/worlds-biggest-nuclear-submarine-show-off-baltic-sea

For those who want to see, but can’t go to St. Petersburg, the vessel will have to sail at surface under the Øresund Bridge. Piloted vessels through Flintchannel has a maximum allowed draft of 7,2 meters at mean sea level, according to Swedish Maritime Administration. The draught of a Typhoon submarine is 12 meters.

Nuclear physicist Nils Bøhmer with the Bellona Foundation says the voyage gives reason for concern.
«I’m concerned when a nearly 40-years old nuclear submarine with two relatively large reactors on board will sail such a voyage along the coast of Norway and into the Baltic Sea. Nordic authorities must make sure the exact time of the voyage is announced so preparedness can be put in place. It is also necessary to get assurance that there are no nuclear weapons on board,» Bøhmer says to the Barents Observer.

http://tass.com/politics/939566

MOSCOW, April 5. /TASS/. US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson will visit Moscow on April 11-12 to hold talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Wednesday.

"On April 11-12, the US Secretary of State Tillerson will make a working visit to Moscow," the statement reads. "This is his first visit to our country as Secretary of State in the Trump administration."

The meeting between the Russian foreign minister and his American counterpart is expected "to discuss topical international security issues faced by the international community and requiring the joint efforts by our countries," the Russian Foreign Ministry announced.

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http://tass.com/world/938600

MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. In the period of 2009 through 2016, the Russian Justice Ministry recognized 95 materials circulated by the Jehovah’s Witnesses Managerial Center in Russia religious organization as the ones having an extremist nature, the ministry said in a report at its official homepage.
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On April 5, Russia’s Supreme Court will hear a lawsuit wherein the Justice Ministry seeks to recognize the Jehova’s Witnesses as a religious organization, to disband it and to ban its operations in Russia.

Add this read http://tass.com/world/939582

Each adherent is expected to unconditionally obey the will and aims of the organization. Nobody is allowed to leave it of one’s own accord. The movement expects its members to be hostile against all those who do not recognize its teaching. For this reason Jehovah’s Witnesses are often accused of inciting religious enmity.

Sound like another branch of the god of Abraham?

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http://tass.com/world/938600

MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. In the period of 2009 through 2016, the Russian Justice Ministry recognized 95 materials circulated by the Jehovah’s Witnesses Managerial Center in Russia religious organization as the ones having an extremist nature, the ministry said in a report at its official homepage.
...
On April 5, Russia’s Supreme Court will hear a lawsuit wherein the Justice Ministry seeks to recognize the Jehova’s Witnesses as a religious organization, to disband it and to ban its operations in Russia.

Add this read http://tass.com/world/939582

Each adherent is expected to unconditionally obey the will and aims of the organization. Nobody is allowed to leave it of one’s own accord. The movement expects its members to be hostile against all those who do not recognize its teaching. For this reason Jehovah’s Witnesses are often accused of inciting religious enmity.

Sound like another branch of the god of Abraham?

Oh dear...
The Russian authorities are clamping down on extremism nationwide.
Video http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39500648
And Jehovah’s Witnesses "operate" here in the Nordic countries as well!

Vladimir Lenin April 13th

Stockholm is beautiful. We're pleased by Swedish socialists' warm reception.
Did some shopping. Can't wait to get to #Petrograd #1917LIVE

https://twitter.com/VLenin_1917/status/852488284790026240

Oops. Wrong century:)

TASS news agency: Afghanistan asks Russia for support in supplies, training for military, police

http://tass.com/world/941640

We welcome another Russian Disaster in Afghanistan.

It's fantasy, not interesting fantasy.

Russia's new Arctic Trefoil military base on Franz Josef Land unveiled with virtual tour.
Located at 80 degrees north, the Nagurskoye military complex is the largest human made structure so far north.
That's just 220 km east of Norway's Svalbard, demilitarised area.
Brrr:)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39629819

Nagurskoye Military Complex on Franz Josef Land has its own Orthodox church; the world's northernmost. Photo: Russian Ministry of Defense

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/04/take-look-inside-russias-northernmost-arctic-military-base

It sounds like a crime novel. And clearly, it has the elements of a scary book. However, this story is real, says Andrey Kapitonov, the former party leader in Murmansk.
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/04/fsbs-infiltration-political-party-parnas-aimed-norway/

In what appears as a surrealistic-like conspiracy against the liberal political party Parnas, the FSB first managed to hire Kapitonov and make him establish a local party office. Then Kapitonov was sent to the Norwegian border town of Kirkenes where he was to approach the Norwegian secret police PST and request financial support. Later, when back in Murmansk, Kapitonov was to announce that his party was nursing contact with NATO country Norway and receiving money from a foreign intelligence service.

Just the historical results of Expanding Empires: Huns, Hindus, Russian, American, et al. Believing they can 'control' this Islamic Region.

Just mentioned historical events (btw, incorrectly simplified to one row) has no relation to a present situation.