Perhaps I am incorrect regarding the foundation of your opinion.

I have no idea because you have not made any point suggesting what your understanding of my opinion is.

OK. Why do you believe that the ONLY persons interested, would not vote for her anyway.

I wish to understand.

Because it is about something that happened before there were even strict rules about electronic filing and documentation.

Was it an oversight? Sure. Is it a huge scandal. Meh.

If that is all you can find on Hilary at this point then she must be damn squeaky clean because you know that people are all over her trying to discredit her.

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Because it is about something that happened before there were even strict rules about electronic filing and documentation.

???

I've known since her Husband was in office the importance of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_discovery

Mrs. Clinton is a lawyer and officer of the court. If she truly was unaware of the nature of using personal equipment or accounts for government business, then you are telling me she is unfit to be a lawyer as I can't believe that she has so shirked her requirement for continuing education as to be ignorant.

The general public may not understand this.

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Because it is about something that happened before there were even strict rules about electronic filing and documentation.

???

I've known since her Husband was in office the importance of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_discovery

Mrs. Clinton is a lawyer and officer of the court. If she truly was unaware of the nature of using personal equipment or accounts for government business, then you are telling me she is unfit to be a lawyer as I can't believe that she has so shirked her requirement for continuing education as to be ignorant.

The general public may not understand this.

I got my information from here:
Hillary Clinton's email: Did she follow all the rules?

In Clinton’s defense, we should note that it was only after Clinton left the State Department, that the National Archives issued a recommendation that government employees should avoid conducting official business on personal emails (though they noted there might be extenuating circumstances such as an emergency that require it). Additionally, in 2014, President Barack Obama signed changes to the Federal Records Act that explicitly said federal officials can only use personal email addresses if they also copy or send the emails to their official account.

Because these rules weren’t in effect when Clinton was in office, "she was in compliance with the laws and regulations at the time," said Gary Bass, founder and former director of OMB Watch, a government accountability organization.

So I'd say that this is all a bit less cut and dried than people are claiming and that it is being over blown for political reasons.

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Because it is about something that happened before there were even strict rules about electronic filing and documentation.

???

I've known since her Husband was in office the importance of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_discovery

Mrs. Clinton is a lawyer and officer of the court. If she truly was unaware of the nature of using personal equipment or accounts for government business, then you are telling me she is unfit to be a lawyer as I can't believe that she has so shirked her requirement for continuing education as to be ignorant.

The general public may not understand this.

I got my information from here:
Hillary Clinton's email: Did she follow all the rules?

In Clinton’s defense, we should note that it was only after Clinton left the State Department, that the National Archives issued a recommendation that government employees should avoid conducting official business on personal emails (though they noted there might be extenuating circumstances such as an emergency that require it). Additionally, in 2014, President Barack Obama signed changes to the Federal Records Act that explicitly said federal officials can only use personal email addresses if they also copy or send the emails to their official account.

Because these rules weren’t in effect when Clinton was in office, "she was in compliance with the laws and regulations at the time," said Gary Bass, founder and former director of OMB Watch, a government accountability organization.

So I'd say that this is all a bit less cut and dried than people are claiming and that it is being over blown for political reasons.

Part 1 ^^^

Part 2, as a lawyer and officer of the court, she knows she has a duty to preserve all evidence and to disclose that evidence when requested. Something akin to http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/Rules/RulesofProfessionalConduct/CurrentRules/Rule5220.aspx

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Every article I have read both in print and on the interner news sites. Sate she should not have been using a personnel e-mail service. Even a State Department Brief said so.

Is she special? She was Secretary of State. She should have used the government e-mail for all of her corrospondence.
She sasy she turned over her E-mails. Lets see her trun in those server and let the IT gurus have a look see at the hard dives. IF the hard drives even exist anymore.

Like I stated in an ealier post. I have no clue is the server story is true. But I do demand my government be open and accountable. Thats means no 18 minute gaps in a tape recording. No shredded and or redatced paper work. And no private E-mails for a specific govenrment use. And I hope now for no erased server.
Am I asking to much from my own Government?

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The General Public does understand erasing 18 minutes of tape, and erasing hard drives, on Equipment used for Government purposes.

The question is if the general public still really remembers by the time they have to vote for the next president. I doubt it, because before the elections are there, we first got the primaries, and unless some strong contender comes around to challenge Hilary she got the nomination in her pocket. At the same time, we'll get the Republican primaries, and the Republicans are looking like they are gonna field an entire circus of clowns who say one dumb thing after the other. By the time the elections are happening the general public will be saturated with 'scandals' from the Republicans. They will have completely forgotten about this one.

And even if someone uses it to attack her, she can probably use something some idiot Republican said in response.

Really if anything Hillary is at a bigger risk of not getting enough media attention because the Democratic primaries look like nothing, while the Republicans will have a new scandal every 2 weeks for the people to obsess over.

Republicans will have a new scandal every 2 weeks for the people to obsess over.

That infrequent?!

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The General Public does understand erasing 18 minutes of tape, and erasing hard drives, on Equipment used for Government purposes.

The question is if the general public still really remembers by the time they have to vote for the next president. I doubt it, because before the elections are there, we first got the primaries, and unless some strong contender comes around to challenge Hilary she got the nomination in her pocket. At the same time, we'll get the Republican primaries, and the Republicans are looking like they are gonna field an entire circus of clowns who say one dumb thing after the other. By the time the elections are happening the general public will be saturated with 'scandals' from the Republicans. They will have completely forgotten about this one.

And even if someone uses it to attack her, she can probably use something some idiot Republican said in response.

Really if anything Hillary is at a bigger risk of not getting enough media attention because the Democratic primaries look like nothing, while the Republicans will have a new scandal every 2 weeks for the people to obsess over.

They have Ted Cruz. I am going to sit back and enjoy the show. He's our gift, from Canada to America, with love.

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The General Public does understand erasing 18 minutes of tape, and erasing hard drives, on Equipment used for Government purposes.

The question is if the general public still really remembers by the time they have to vote for the next president. I doubt it, because before the elections are there, we first got the primaries, and unless some strong contender comes around to challenge Hilary she got the nomination in her pocket. At the same time, we'll get the Republican primaries, and the Republicans are looking like they are gonna field an entire circus of clowns who say one dumb thing after the other. By the time the elections are happening the general public will be saturated with 'scandals' from the Republicans. They will have completely forgotten about this one.

And even if someone uses it to attack her, she can probably use something some idiot Republican said in response.

Really if anything Hillary is at a bigger risk of not getting enough media attention because the Democratic primaries look like nothing, while the Republicans will have a new scandal every 2 weeks for the people to obsess over.

They have Ted Cruz. I am going to sit back and enjoy the show. He's our gift, from Canada to America, with love.

You know thats one reason we should hate Canada:)

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Voters for PitifulTotalFailPeacePrizin'Hustlin'Hussein in '08 recieved votes from: Base, Indies, Undecided, Swing, and Many White Wingers.

Madame Clean Sweep will recieve votes from: Base. Includes illegals, and 'Others' 'registered'. A Few 'Base' will not vote for 'Her'.

Result of '16 Election: Ayattollah So and So.

heeeheeeheee. Yep Yep Yep

Yep.

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The General Public does understand erasing 18 minutes of tape, and erasing hard drives, on Equipment used for Government purposes.

The question is if the general public still really remembers by the time they have to vote for the next president. I doubt it, because before the elections are there, we first got the primaries, and unless some strong contender comes around to challenge Hilary she got the nomination in her pocket. At the same time, we'll get the Republican primaries, and the Republicans are looking like they are gonna field an entire circus of clowns who say one dumb thing after the other. By the time the elections are happening the general public will be saturated with 'scandals' from the Republicans. They will have completely forgotten about this one.

And even if someone uses it to attack her, she can probably use something some idiot Republican said in response.

Really if anything Hillary is at a bigger risk of not getting enough media attention because the Democratic primaries look like nothing, while the Republicans will have a new scandal every 2 weeks for the people to obsess over.

They have Ted Cruz. I am going to sit back and enjoy the show. He's our gift, from Canada to America, with love.

And that could very well present a little... problem with his candidacy. Does Cruz qualify as a 'natural born' US Citizen (remember the Constitutional requirement to be so to qualify to be president)?

Cruz's situation has some similarity with Obama's, but with one important difference. Both had a Mother that was a US Citizen at the time of their birth. Both had a Father that was not.

The difference is that Obama was born inside the USA, and the controversy ended when he finally proved it by showing his long form birth certificate. Mr. Cruz was NOT born inside the USA.

Being a natural-born US citizen is NOT a requirement for the US Senate, so Senator Cruz is ok thus far, but if he seriously starts running for President, it would be nice if he could get a declaration from some US Government official or another that he DOES, in fact, qualify, before the campaign seriously gets going.

And that could very well present a little... problem with his candidacy. Does Cruz qualify as a 'natural born' US Citizen (remember the Constitutional requirement to be so to qualify to be president)?

One of THREE requirements to be President is, in modern terminology, BORN an American Citizen. Meaning one parent MUST be a Citizen. Place of birth has no meaning.

Which is why children of US service men born over seas are US citizens. Why would that not apply to women who go over seas?

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Being a natural-born US citizen is NOT a requirement for the US Senate, so Senator Cruz is ok thus far, but if he seriously starts running for President, it would be nice if he could get a declaration from some US Government official or another that he DOES, in fact, qualify, before the campaign seriously gets going.

The only people who have to be satisfied are the ones who count the real votes for president. The real votes being the electoral college and the counters are a joint session of Congress. Natural-born US citizen is therefore a political requirement, not a legal one.

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Clyde wrote:

And that could very well present a little... problem with his candidacy. Does Cruz qualify as a 'natural born' US Citizen (remember the Constitutional requirement to be so to qualify to be president)?

One of THREE requirements to be President is, in modern terminology, BORN an American Citizen. Meaning one parent MUST be a Citizen. Place of birth has no meaning.

James Sotherden wrote:

Which is why children of US service men born over seas are US citizens. Why would that not apply to women who go over seas?

@ Clyde & Profile James Sotherden

Place of birth has a great deal to do with it Clyde.

The USA primarily uses jus soli as a standard of citizenship. If you are born on US soil, AND subject to the jurisdiction of the USA (in other words, not something like the child of foreign diplomats), then the citizenship of your parents does NOT matter, you ARE a natural-born US Citizen.

The USA also uses jus sanguinis as you refer to. However, unlike jus soli where there is only one exception, there are a few more small caveats with jus sanguinis. The field is somewhat highly arcane.

My own opinion is that Cruz is almost certainly a US Citizen, however with all the drama the Republicans gave over the Questions around Obama's qualification, it would in my opinion well serve the interests of his campaign to quietly seek such a declaration from an appropriate government official.

I might suggest either the Secretary of State (who attests to the citizenship of US Citizens when travelling -- passports) or possibly the Secretary of State in combination with the Attorney General.

@ Gary Charpentier

Gary Charpentier wrote:

The only people who have to be satisfied are the ones who count the real votes for president. The real votes being the electoral college and the counters are a joint session of Congress. Natural-born US citizen is therefore a political requirement, not a legal one.

Oh it could very quickly turn into a legal matter. If someone got elected President under false pretences, and it was discovered, what then?

About the only remedy I can see would be to consider it a 'high crime and/or misdemeanour' and proceed with impeachment by the US House and trial by the US Senate. I don't think the Courts would have sufficient power and authority to oust him.

But, regardless of how it went down, it would be quite the Constitutional Crisis.

Personally, I would be quite happy with, say, Arnold Swartzenegger as President. But, he is NOT eligible, being an Austrian by birth. *shrugg*

KWSN - MajorKong wrote:

@ Gary Charpentier

Gary Charpentier wrote:

The only people who have to be satisfied are the ones who count the real votes for president. The real votes being the electoral college and the counters are a joint session of Congress. Natural-born US citizen is therefore a political requirement, not a legal one.

Oh it could very quickly turn into a legal matter. If someone got elected President under false pretences, and it was discovered, what then?

About the only remedy I can see would be to consider it a 'high crime and/or misdemeanour' and proceed with impeachment by the US House and trial by the US Senate. I don't think the Courts would have sufficient power and authority to oust him.

But, regardless of how it went down, it would be quite the Constitutional Crisis.

Personally, I would be quite happy with, say, Arnold Swartzenegger as President. But, he is NOT eligible, being an Austrian by birth. *shrugg*

If it is discovered after he takes the oath of office, the *only* method to remove him from office is impeachment. He could still be tried, convicted and jailed, but until impeached, he would be Mr. President.

AFIK Congress has not passed any laws requiring potential candidates to make any declaration or show to anyone any documentation about how they obtained their citizenship or even if they are citizens. Absent that, it can't be a crime to use deception as to citizenship to obtain that office. (Note: some states may have this requirement to take out nomination papers)

Now on to how to become a US citizen. http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship
1) Born here (subject to its laws)
2) Born there to Married parents, at least one US Citizen parent and they apply for it before you are 18.
3) Born there to US Citizen parents meeting a bit longer list of requirements such as residency length in the US.
4) After birth before 18, e.g. hold green card and parents naturalize.
5) Naturalization.

I know 1, 2 meet the Natural-Born requirement.
I think 3 might meet the Natural-Born requirement as it is conferred as of your birth, although later in life.
4 and 5 do not.

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If it is discovered after he takes the oath of office, the *only* method to remove him from office is impeachment. He could still be tried, convicted and jailed, but until impeached, he would be Mr. President.

AFIK Congress has not passed any laws requiring potential candidates to make any declaration or show to anyone any documentation about how they obtained their citizenship or even if they are citizens. Absent that, it can't be a crime to use deception as to citizenship to obtain that office. (Note: some states may have this requirement to take out nomination papers)

Now on to how to become a US citizen. http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship
1) Born here (subject to its laws)
2) Born there to Married parents, at least one US Citizen parent and they apply for it before you are 18.
3) Born there to US Citizen parents meeting a bit longer list of requirements such as residency length in the US.
4) After birth before 18, e.g. hold green card and parents naturalize.
5) Naturalization.

I know 1, 2 meet the Natural-Born requirement.
I think 3 might meet the Natural-Born requirement as it is conferred as of your birth, although later in life.
4 and 5 do not.

I agree with what you said. and the uscis.gov site holds a lot of information about what I called 'arcane'.


http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html

Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA, or Form FS-240)

If you are a U.S. citizen and have a child overseas, you should report his or her birth as soon as possible so that a Consular Report of Birth Abroad can be issued as an official record of the child's claim to U.S. citizenship. Report the birth of your child abroad at the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. Check the American Citizens Services portion of the webpage for the nearest Embassy or Consulate in the country where your child was born for further instructions about how to apply for a CRBA.

And

Certificate of Citizenship issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)

A person born abroad who acquired U.S. citizenship at birth but who is over the age of 18 (and so not eligible for a CRBA) may wish to apply for a Certificate of Citizenship to document acquisition pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1452. Visit USCIS.gov for further information.

I would hope that Cruz has one of these two, and a U.S. Passport.

As I said, jus sanguinis citizenship for those born abroad is not necessarily automatic, and if you (more like your parents, instead of you) don't dot all the 'i's and cross all the 't's, you may not get it.

Court skeptical of seizing Clinton's server

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So, Billery aka Madame Yoga aka CleanSweepServerQueen, 'is' 'Anchoring Campaign Run on Amerikans who are 'Everyday' Types.

And to 'Show' these 'Types' of Amerikans-One of Majestic Iik as Madame would Come Into Contact with 'Every Day'-SunGlasses are Donned by Madame and Aide to 'Hide' their Well Known 'Personages' as they 'Ordered' a 'Meal' at A Local Hashery, from Same Amerikans 'Working' at Their Every Day Jobs. Possibly, 'Types' who Will Vote for A Hungry Queen as Momma Stretch.

No Need to 'Know' who Their Next QueenPrez will be, eh?

Sieze The Day. Every Day.

And Remember, Bend 'It' Like Billery

Yep.

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True but I am old enough to remember Nixon as my president (as well as a couple before him). Nixon was forced out of office for a tape gap and some cover up. It now seems like Obama and Madame Yoga have something equal or greater popping up every few weeks.To what standards will we hold Madame Yoga to in the future or is it now allowed to elect organized crime to the highest office in the land?

Old enough to vote AGAINST Nixon - First Term. FOR Second Term (well - against McGovern).
Watching the Sunday New/Commentary Programs (CNN/Fox/Meet the Press).
Didn't understand she erased 'the tapes', while they were still under Subpoena.
Madame Yoga Does have a problem.

I'm old enough to remember Kennedy:)
This is a Picture of the newspaper Dagens Nyheter from 23 november 1963 in my bottom drawer:)

I'm old enough to remember Kennedy:)
This is a Picture of the newspaper Dagens Nyheter from 23 november 1963 in my bottom drawer:)

Old enough, High School, to remember the entire weekend.
Starting with the announcement, by the teacher "Our President is Dead". School just stopped, and everyone just walked home.
Watching President Kennedy's body return to Washington. Listening to President Johnson, at the airport, and wondering - 'Who The H... is he'?
Watching Mrs. Kennedy kneeling next to, and kissing her husband's flag draped coffin.
Watching Oswald, live on TV, being shot and killed.
School cancelled that Monday, and watching the funeral.
Tuesday morning, in school, standing at attention in the classroom, while a teacher started to sing The National Anthem, over the loud speaker.
After a couple of words: She started crying, and couldn't continue. There was no laughter among us teenagers. We just , on our own, started singing The National Anthem.
This Country has never been the same.

I even remember where I was when I saw the news on TV.
At my grand parents house.
And watching Oswald, not live on TV, being shot and killed by Jack Ruby.