The problem with 'armoring' against anti-ship missiles is they don't attack the sides of vessels like projectiles or torpedoes, they do a 'pop-up' and dive down on the topsides. It's hard to counter an over head attack as the Japanese discovered when US dive bombers sank the most heavily armored battleship ever built, the Musashi.

Today's defense is anti-missile guns, missiles, and 'beam-weapons', coupled with 'stealth' technologies and sensor jamming, not 24 inches of steel. Also today's fire suppression systems mitigate the risk of aluminum construction.

Ah yes, similar to a plunging shell, only faster, armor thickness here will rule, HE might explode(but not pierce) and AP will above a certain threshold just bounce off, battleship armor would just laugh it off and maybe later need the paint crew. Some in another forum thought that a nuclear warhead would do something, actually outside of contamination, that does nothing to sink a ship, Operation Crossroads proved in an air-burst that a nuke could not sink a battleship, contaminate a battleship? Sure, clean up though is another matter and may not be possible or at least easy to do, that depends on how contaminated the ship is I'd guess. A nuke can sink a ship only when the detonation happens underwater, nukes are blast weapons, not contact weapons.

That also depends on how close one is to the detonation. Remember, Back in those tests they exploded at 2,000 feet. If your under and or close you are slag. Yes the armour might survive. Every living crew member wont. And what is left wont be worth decontaminating.
Also remember that a battle fleet supports the aircraft carrie. Seeing as we dont have battleships anymore. Which ship do you think could take an airburst Nuke the best? answer, A sub down deep.
You dont need to sink the ship nowdays, Just kill the crew. An airburst nuke can do that job just as well as torpedo or a 16" armour piercing shell.

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An icebreaker festival will be held in St. Peterburg of 2-3 May on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the victory in World War II.
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My brother had to paint the chimney on Atle when he was a conscript.

An icebreaker festival will be held in St. Petersburg of 2-3 May on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the victory in World War II.
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My brother had to paint the chimney on Atle when he was a conscript.

Having to paint the 'smoke stack'..

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My brother had to paint the chimney on Atle when he was a conscript.

Having to paint the 'smoke stack'..

HeHeHe. Smoke ring perhaps:)
But he told me how high it was.
He had a nice view of Stockholm though.

About ice in the Baltic sea.
When I bought my sailing boat, Ana, back in the 80's it was ice warning in the beginning of May!
My hands got frozen and we had problem with the motor when passing a floodgate when we to sailed it home to me...

Lord Nelsons flagship HMS Victory are constantly maintained due to the weather and water. For instance the caulkings needs to be changed now and then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caulking
They use Stocholm tar because new methods doesn't work:)
Genuine Stockholm Tar, "The Real Stuff"â„¢
http://www.tarsmell.com/tar.html
Traditional sailors describe this rare grade of tar in words usually reserved for fine wines and tobaccos.
Stockholm tar has been valued for hundreds of years as a preservative for word and natural fiber rope. It is the smell of the square-rigged ship. It is used today in ships, small and large, that sail for a living.
Josefin Arrhénborg och Maria Rindstam are owner to this shop in Stockholm.
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Janne,
HMS Victory is in dry dock at Portsmouth Historic Dockyard, and has been since 1922. Various programs of restoration are always going on, but she does not have to be caulked due to floating in water.
I know it's the weekend and you are bored, but please check your facts before posting.

WHAT THE F*** Doesn't it rain in England?
I have been on board.
When I wrote this a TV show from Portsmouth showed how it is been done.
They have done that for 250 years and hope to do it for another 250 years...
The Royal Navy Lieutenant Commander in charge showed it and the reporter had the honour of helping them caulking the ship.
http://www.contemporarysculptor.com/hms-victory.htm

Restoration
A standing joke within Portsmouth dockyard is that HMS Victory took six years to build and 240 years to restore; not only has the warship had to suffer many years of hostile action, ravages from the death watch beetle and Toledo worm but also human neglect. In 1812 the Victory was finally taken out of active service and was again placed ' in ordinary ' in Portsmouth Harbour, she was then fitted out as the flagship of the Port Admiral and moored close to the harbour entrance where she remained throughout the rest of the nineteenth century. She was then used for accommodation, storage and even a prison ship, in 1903 she was rammed and badly damaged by the warship HMS Neptune and almost sank.
She was relocated for the last time on 8 April 1925 and since that time has been undergoing extensive restoration by the Royal Navy with assistance from the Society for Nautical Research.
Since the 1930's a continual battle has been fought with the death watch beetle and renewal of the decaying oak timbers. As the Victory was mostly built of oak; these original timbers which were continually getting wet and then drying out were by then badly decayed. These decayed oak timbers were systematically having to be replaced as the scarce and expensive oak was found to be no longer suitable. Also to try and produce new oak timbers of the huge size often required would again mean having to use the inner heartwood part of the oak tree, which, it is now known to decay most readily in such conditions.

The year 2015 marks the 250th anniversary of the launch of the world’s oldest commissioned, and most famous warship, HMS Victory.
http://www.thedockyard.co.uk/plan/events/hms-victory-untold-story/
A drydock is not dry when raining...
Have you ever been on a ship?
It's always damp!
Do your homework Chris!!!!!
Your "fact" that HMS Victory was relocated 1922 is WRONG!
8 April 1925 is the CORRECT date.

Chris especially for you:)
HMS Victory caulking!
Among the issues include building a new dry dock cradle and making her top deck watertight.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/restorers-face-last-chance-to-preserve-hms-victory-1-6500146
https://www.google.se/#q=hms%20victory%20caulking
Andrew Baines, curator at the National Museum of the Royal Navy and project director of HMS Victory, said they face a battle to maintain the ship as she is.
He said: ‘We are probably at the last opportunity to truly save the ship and make sure that significant historic material is going to survive in her.’
Since taking ownership of Victory in 2012, the museum has taken a slow approach to the work, as fears grow this is the final chance of a project this size can be done on the timber ship.
Mr Baines and his team are looking to make the top deck waterproof.
Rainwater is currently leaking through, causing the lower decks to rot and mould, and making the wooden beams decay.

A drydock is not dry when raining...
Have you ever been on a ship?

Really Sherlock? Yes I went and toured HMS Victory in 2007.

Wooden ship caulking

Traditional caulking (also spelled calking) on wooden vessels uses fibers of cotton and oakum (hemp fiber soaked in pine tar). These fibers are driven into the wedge-shaped seam between planks, with a caulking mallet and a broad chisel-like tool called a caulking iron.The caulking is then covered over with a putty, in the case of hull seams, or else in deck seams with melted pine pitch, in a process referred to as paying.

Caulking can also be applied to deck seams, but in gereral usage is meant to refer to hull seams. It would also be appreciated if you would moderate your language. I don't use it to you.

I have owned a wooden boat.
You have to caulk ALL seams.

In developing the Victory conservation project, the National Museum of the Royal Navy (NMRN) is following guidelines set out in the National Historic Ships UK (NHSUK) Publication ‘Conserving Historic Vessels’. NHSUK is clear that the first task to undertake when taking responsibility for a vessel is first aid – stop things getting worse. This we have done with Victory by projects such as caulking the upper decks and painting the hull. We have worked to stop things getting worse, but we have also spent much time...

Pictures of Victory's quarter deck with caulked seams! We call them nåt.
http://www.hms-victory.com/things-to-see/quarter-deck
You also caulk wooden houses...

Ahoy sailing friends.
My boat called Ana was built 1939 and is a Drake "Dragon".
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Dragons in action.
https://youtu.be/pDV5ojL4E1o
http://sailingbastad.se/dragon-2015/

And Volvo Ocean Race update.
http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/home.html

Ahoy:)
Valerius Hansson and Tom Olof Ström tests the new sailing products fender gloss, sail shampoo and anchor and grapnel adhesive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJrWKD4Ioi4
Lath Sleeve, Spinnacer Quilt and straight Tell-Tales...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEGpaU6bxwQ

Would have loved to witness this.

3 Queens

Would have loved to witness this.
3 Queens

So do I.
My sister and nephew lives in Liverpool.
My bet is that my sister are in the pub and my nephew are "engaged" on his phone and miss the great event:)

Would have loved to witness this.
3 Queens

So do I.
My sister and nephew lives in Liverpool.
My bet is that my sister are in the pub and my nephew are "engaged" on his phone and miss the great event:)

Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

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Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

Can't see what a Cunard ship has to do with the White Star Line's Titanic. Britannia Made her crossing on 4th July 1840 & was sunk as a target ship in 1880. Since then Cunard has no ship named Britannia.

Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

Can't see what a Cunard ship has to do with the White Star Line's Titanic. Britannia Made her crossing on 4th July 1840 & was sunk as a target ship in 1880. Since then Cunard has no ship named Britannia.

Icebergs from Greenland..

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Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

Can't see what a Cunard ship has to do with the White Star Line's Titanic. Britannia Made her crossing on 4th July 1840 & was sunk as a target ship in 1880. Since then Cunard has no ship named Britannia.

Icebergs from Greenland..

Sorry Vic you're still not seeing it. Are you telling me that there were no icebergs anywhere on that crossing before 1912, they suddenly appeared for that year only, considering how many crossings have actually been made, no one saw any?

By naming the ship & the year...


...Oh & there are a lot more safety devices & tools for modern ships compared to then.

& courtesy of the Titanic disaster we Have this

Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

Can't see what a Cunard ship has to do with the White Star Line's Titanic. Britannia Made her crossing on 4th July 1840 & was sunk as a target ship in 1880. Since then Cunard has no ship named Britannia.

Icebergs from Greenland..

Perhaps a confusion in name with Titanic's sister the Britannic?

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/Britannic1_1914.htm

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Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

Can't see what a Cunard ship has to do with the White Star Line's Titanic. Britannia Made her crossing on 4th July 1840 & was sunk as a target ship in 1880. Since then Cunard has no ship named Britannia.

Icebergs from Greenland..

Sorry Vic you're still not seeing it. Are you telling me that there were no icebergs anywhere on that crossing before 1912, they suddenly appeared for that year only, considering how many crossings have actually been made, no one saw any?

By naming the ship & the year...


...Oh & there are a lot more safety devices & tools for modern ships compared to then.

& courtesy of the Titanic disaster we Have this

Don't put words into My mouth, I only mentioned 1912 and that is the only year I was typing about silly.

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Hopefully a repeat of 1912 can be avoided..

Later this year the original Cunard transatlantic crossing will be recreated as the Queen Mary 2 sails from Liverpool on the same route the Britannia took, to Halifax, Boston and New York.

Can't see what a Cunard ship has to do with the White Star Line's Titanic. Britannia Made her crossing on 4th July 1840 & was sunk as a target ship in 1880. Since then Cunard has no ship named Britannia.

Icebergs from Greenland..

Perhaps a confusion in name with Titanic's sister the Britannic?

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/Britannic1_1914.htm

Nope, I said icebergs, like in 1912...

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I can say that no boat have been called Titanic after 1912.
I wonder if there are any boats called Estonia today.
Or Concordia.