Aren't communications between earth and it's various probes in the solar system directed beams? I have a feeling that the only omnidirectional signals would be distress signals from ships in trouble and of much shorter range than a directed beam. I think the only way we will ever intercept an intelligent signal is by pure luck or if someone else decides they wan't to communicate with us.

yes, they would find us easier if they are somewhere in direction of Voyager or other deep space spacecrafts...& listen when the emission to Voyager is comming to their planet...

Same thing here, we would pick them probably when the send their probes some signals...


TV & radio is indistiguashable from SBR after 15ly...even after 5ly it's not easy to pick it up! :/

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I am quite sure that Eric, Matt, and Jeff know what they are doing.

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An important first question would be, what technology would an alien civilization use for long-distance communication? Since we can't even answer that aside from speculation based on our own technology, there's absolutely no way to realistically quantify the chance of success of this project. The way I see it though, it's kind of like the lottery: you know your chance of winning is very small, but if you don't play at all then you have zero chance of winning.

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An important first question would be, what technology would an alien civilization use for long-distance communication? Since we can't even answer that aside from speculation based on our own technology, there's absolutely no way to realistically quantify the chance of success of this project. The way I see it though, it's kind of like the lottery: you know your chance of winning is very small, but if you don't play at all then you have zero chance of winning.

the one that uses low energy (W) with lots of clarity... ;)

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Not having any firm information --it's not unreasonable to assume that "THEY" would do it in the same way that we would do it.

What's that you say ?? We are not doing it ??

Well there you go !


Rebuttal please

If people would only realize that they're really there, we would have our own proof. What I wonder is why people always want proof in writing. Energies tell a lot more than words could ever do!

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SETI@home only uses the frequencies avilable at Arecibo, and of course it hopes that ET is transmitting on those frequencies. But Einstein@home is also looking at other frequencies, that is Parkes radio frequencies and Fermi Space Telescope gamma rays. Of course thewy are looking for pulsars, not ET, but the idea is the same. We need to open more windows.
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SETI@home only uses the frequencies avilable at Arecibo, and of course it hopes that ET is transmitting on those frequencies. But Einstein@home is also looking at other frequencies, that is Parkes radio frequencies and Fermi Space Telescope gamma rays. Of course thewy are looking for pulsars, not ET, but the idea is the same. We need to open more windows.
Tullio

Agreed.

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What I wonder is why people always want proof in writing. Energies tell a lot more than words could ever do!

Julie: Most of us would consider the discovery of the existence of another intelligent civilization on another planet to be an extraordinary event. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. This may be the most profound question in all civilization--perhaps more so than the existence of a Supreme Being.

What I wonder is why people always want proof in writing. Energies tell a lot more than words could ever do!

Julie: Most of us would consider the discovery of the existence of another intelligent civilization on another planet to be an extraordinary event. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. This may be the most profound question in all civilization--perhaps more so than the existence of a Supreme Being.

The Supreme Being, if there is one, is basically an ET, imo.

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If people would only realize that they're really there, we would have our own proof. What I wonder is why people always want proof in writing. Energies tell a lot more than words could ever do!

OK...show me that energies! :D

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What I wonder is why people always want proof in writing. Energies tell a lot more than words could ever do!

Julie: Most of us would consider the discovery of the existence of another intelligent civilization on another planet to be an extraordinary event. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. This may be the most profound question in all civilization--perhaps more so than the existence of a Supreme Being.

True. I do believe ETI doesn't want us to have extraordinary proof. They only show themselves to a few people of which they know they can handle it. If the world's complete population would know, heresy would be all over and they don't want that as they want what's best for us. They're too intelligent for hatred and sense of destruction. En plus, they are afraid of what we might do to them. Human beings talk about love all the time but most of them don't even know the true meaning of the word.

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Losing Hope.

With this New Public Relations Push with these Videos, any Hope has been Extinguished.

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

What is the wording of God's first commandment?

"You are not supposed to be having any other Gods than me".

That is when you are supposed to be a religious believer and having faith.

Religion is supposed to be all about belief. Religion is not always about the good, rather it is about both good and bad and the distinction between these two things.

Materialism and technology are two important aspects of human civilization.

If you happen to be tired of the day, better sit down and enjoy a cool beer.

So, perhaps a little thought about possible spirits may come up in your mind when you are starting on your third or fourth can or bottle of your beer.

If you have ever visited a church, or particularly a cathedral, you may have noticed a couple of statues being mounted on the walls portraying figures which at times may be related to the Devil, or some other heathen or pagan figure.

If you happen to believe in UFO's, possibly being an enthusiast in the subject field, you may be familiar with orbs, rods and so on.

Whether or not such objects are for real, they are supposed to be part of nature, a nature which for now is sought or tried to be explained by scientific means, including mathematics and of course physics.

An intelligent signal coming to us through space and being detected by our radio telescopes are supposed to be an indicative proof that other intelligent civilizations are present in the Milky Way.

Radio signals are not supposed to be able to travel across galaxies and being detected by us. Currently the limiting factor is some 1,500 light years when it comes to possible distance.

When looking for signals coming from space we are not considering any such that might be produced by aliens or extraterrestrial visitors. Either you do not believe in such a thing, or otherwise the likely assumption is that such signals will not become detected.

Since we happen to be part of the Universe, any current belief we might have should be in the context of its existence.

There is no proof that God has ever materialized or become visible by means of any visual or physical presence, only that Jesus Christ, as being his Son, once visited us here on earth and being told us by means of the Bible.

Because spirits and possibly angels happen to be one thing, orbs and rods yet another thing and we are not supposed to believe in most of these things in order to be able to carry out intelligence, for now we assume that such a thing is being related to thinking.

For now our notion of thinking goes with our physical body which is having this capability by means of the brain. Therefore our ability of thinking for now rather implies a physical existence by means of a body and not any spiritual God, or the Devil for that matter.

And your point is?

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And your point is?

LOL! Luckily the Seti staff knows what they are doing.

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In terms of ET yes, in terms of posters, sometimes .....

Are you questioning the abilities of the Mod Team Chris? ;)

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they don't want us to know what they know.

They know nothing; and they don't even know what they don't know, nor what they should know.

There is no conspiracy in regard to SETI, only in semi-legalized bribery from interest groups. They are incompetent to create one and to keep it secret.

I do believe the Governments know more than they let on. Personally I think the term conspiracy comes to mind as in they don't want us to know what they know.

This comment should be in the politics thread really :-)

There is no conspiracy in regard to SETI,

Not from Seti itself, no. But it would likely be restricted in publishing stuff that the "government" didn't want public.

I'm happy to continue crunching. I have no more or less hope than when I started nearly 15 years ago!! And in any case the camaraderie here amongst like minded people is far better than anything on Facebook or Twitter.

So knock off the negativity folks :-)

Maybe we could start a Gaining Hope thread.

I'm with you on the happy to continue crunching. The real challenge is explaining to my wife why I need another rig.

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