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Message 1654978 - Posted: 20 Mar 2015, 15:39:25 UTC - in response to Message 1653978.  

Every SECTOR of the sky could be scanned. That's not the problem--the problem is to rapidly eliminate random noise and known emissions from each and every recorded scan and then to analyze those that remain for intelligent content.

I honestly have no idea how well all of the SETI efforts are doing this and which ones would miss or discard a single WOW signal entirely since it is not persistent.


Don't lose hope my friend, the Arecibo telescope is a very powerful one, even with its limited range. Wished we still had the Allen Array..


From what I've been reading, it's a shame about the Allen Array's funding problem. I hope they're able to meet their goals someday.


Hope so too, Gordon.
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Message 1668031 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 12:35:16 UTC

I will qoute some woman on discovery channel here (i don't recall her name).

She stood on a beach and scooped some water up in a glass, looked at it, and said something along the lines of: this water represents our search for ET so far, do we look at it and say: "there is no fish in the sea" or do we conclude we have a long way to go?

as i understand our search, it is relatively "simple" we look for ET's signals in certain bandwiths for a relatively short time, not knowing if it is a good place to start.

a mere 100 years ago radio was in use, but if you had compared it with present times digital radios it would be nothing like the same system.

Now compare it with us trying to detect a signal from a civilization maybe 1000 years more advanced than us, from a diffrent culture, that maybe live in an area where conditions be diffrent and the bandwith we search in isnt practical for some reason.

The problems are huge, but if we keep chipping away at the problems who knows what we might discover.

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Message 1668034 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 12:40:28 UTC

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


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Message 1668040 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 13:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 1668034.  
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And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...
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Message 1668073 - Posted: 21 Apr 2015, 14:06:38 UTC

It was daytime, i would need more info to determine time of day.

about the 100 glasses later, I find the glass thing to be a very apt analogy, because it represents our limited technology, what if for instance aliens communicate useing errrrhm, i dunno infra red lasers, then a radio telescope would be unable to catch it (from my understanding of how a radio telescope works). So to return to the glass of water, she would never be able to prove that the bluewhale lives in the sea, the glass is too small and you would never be able to wade out to where the whale lives.

About truckdriver with a science intrest, I find the challange isn't to understand science as a person with a limited education, but rather that science is sometimes presented in such a way that you can't find the answer to the question that you really want answered

For instance, if you take electrons, you can't know where it is, and how fast it is going at the same time as I understand it, I can accept that, but what i really want to know why can't you do that, what happens if you try?

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Message 1668321 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 6:29:15 UTC - in response to Message 1668040.  

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...


Masters of the Universe! ;)


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Message 1668380 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 10:28:30 UTC - in response to Message 1668321.  

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...


Masters of the Universe! ;)


HE-Man and HE-Women ;)))
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Message 1668409 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 12:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 1668380.  

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...


Masters of the Universe! ;)


HE-Man and HE-Women ;)))


R u hitting on me? :P


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Message 1668431 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 13:20:59 UTC - in response to Message 1668409.  

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...


Masters of the Universe! ;)


HE-Man and HE-Women ;)))


R u hitting on me? :P


Nope, I'm already spoken for..
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Message 1669257 - Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 6:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 1668431.  

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...


Masters of the Universe! ;)


HE-Man and HE-Women ;)))


R u hitting on me? :P


Nope, I'm already spoken for..


Oh, I tought you we alreaady taken for... :D


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Message 1669261 - Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 6:06:08 UTC - in response to Message 1669257.  

And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;)


Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something...


Masters of the Universe! ;)


HE-Man and HE-Women ;)))


R u hitting on me? :P


Nope, I'm already spoken for..


Oh, I tought you we alreaady taken for... :D


That, I don't exactly know yet, unfortunately.
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Message 1669373 - Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 13:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 1669261.  
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That, I don't exactly know yet...

Enjoy the adventure and enjoy fun times?


:-)

Good luck... ;-)


Keep searchin'!
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Message 1669379 - Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 13:37:46 UTC

Thank you Martin, good luck is always a must.
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Message 1672026 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 14:18:14 UTC - in response to Message 1672021.  

Oh, I tought you we alreaady taken for... :D

That, I don't exactly know yet, unfortunately.

Julie is part of a group of good friends that will look after her.


Thank you..
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Message 1685447 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 4:17:54 UTC - in response to Message 1648550.  

I have been running Seti@Home since 1999 and back then I was sure that a signal would be detected during my lifetime. Now that it is 2015 I am not so sure. The optimism of youth is slowly fading. I will continue to run Seti@Home as long as there is a spark of hope.


We will find the signal under the last rock we look under.
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Message 1685521 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 6:43:21 UTC

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Message 1685560 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 10:03:55 UTC

A drunkard was looking for his lost keys under a lamppost. A helper asked him: did your lose your keys here? No, said the drunkard, over there. Then why do you look for them here?, asked the helper. Because there is more light, the drunkard replied.
Maybe we are doing the same mistake, searching a wrong frequency.
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Message 1685618 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 15:08:21 UTC - in response to Message 1685560.  
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We are probably looking at the right frequency. We could also look at Pi times the Lyman hydrogen line series in the ultra violet.

This is said to be a relatively quiet frequency series in terms of natural emissions and noise.

If we are making a mistake it is more likely that we are not searching one-time strong signals for intelligent content. The idea that we could detect persistent signals such as broadcast TV, radar, etc. from nearby planets has shown no results for 50 years-probably because there are no habitable planets within this range with all of the parameters for intelligent life to form.
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Message 1685653 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 17:13:59 UTC

Aren't communications between earth and it's various probes in the solar system directed beams? I have a feeling that the only omnidirectional signals would be distress signals from ships in trouble and of much shorter range than a directed beam. I think the only way we will ever intercept an intelligent signal is by pure luck or if someone else decides they wan't to communicate with us.
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Message 1685687 - Posted: 29 May 2015, 19:27:21 UTC
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I would search in lower frequencies. There are two low frequency arrays, one in Europe and one in America, which could give SETI more data.Pulsars wre discovered by chance in a very simple array telescope and not by Jodrell Bank, which only confirmed the discovery.
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