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Message 1647916 - Posted: 28 Feb 2015, 18:47:40 UTC

Does it, in fact, corrupt? Absolutely?
Check out this wonderful, double-blind study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-mDhg09pcw.
Hmmm, the "most sadistic" of the guards was very much into theater at the time.
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Message 1647999 - Posted: 28 Feb 2015, 22:22:27 UTC
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Philip Zimbardo knows how easy it is for nice people to turn bad. In this talk, he shares insights and graphic unseen photos from the Abu Ghraib trials. Then he talks about the flip side: how easy it is to be a hero, and how we can rise to the challenge.
http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil
The Stanford Prison Experiment again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwfNs1pqG0
Zimbardo shows how most evil comes from hierarchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0jYx8nwjFQ
Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks
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Message 1648149 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 10:04:00 UTC

The different reaction, may be due to the perception, most times correctly, that men choose not to defend themselves from a women's physical assault.

Generally speaking a court will view a physical assault by a man upon a woman more seriously than the other way round. Why? because men generally have a higher upper body strength than women and are likely to cause more serious injuries. Also, society generally accepts that violence towards women is not acceptable, but will up to a point tolerate violence towards men from women.

He was probably cheating on her, so I expect he deserved it, that sort of attitude. But imagine a massive row in a restaurant where the woman totally loses it and starts attacking the man with a knife causing injuries. Fearing for his life he lays her out with a punch to protect himself. Guess who will go down for GBH?
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Message 1648220 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 16:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 1648149.  

He was probably cheating on her, so I expect he deserved it, that sort of attitude. But imagine a massive row in a restaurant where the woman totally loses it and starts attacking the man with a knife causing injuries. Fearing for his life he lays her out with a punch to protect himself. Guess who will go down for GBH?

What jurisdiction? Because it does make a difference.
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Message 1648224 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 16:45:19 UTC - in response to Message 1648149.  

He was probably cheating on her, so I expect he deserved it, that sort of attitude. But imagine a massive row in a restaurant where the woman totally loses it and starts attacking the man with a knife causing injuries. Fearing for his life he lays her out with a punch to protect himself. Guess who will go down for GBH?

The woman, no doubt about that, or have you forgotten the witnesses in your scenario, also not forgetting his injuries?
Thank god you're not serving as a juror!
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Message 1648230 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 16:56:11 UTC

I would suggest that the man would be more likely to be done for GBH not the woman. Many witnesses refuse to testify anyway. I thank god I'm not serving as a juror, as well, some of the evidence that they have to see is extremely unpleasant. Luckily for me I am now age exempt from serving on a jury. And lucky for them as well, I'd bring back capital punishment and give the lot life sentences!!!
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Message 1648232 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 16:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 1648230.  
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With the current scourge on knife attacks, he'd walk away a free man. Over the past several years in this city alone, several women have been sent down for those very type of attacks you've mentioned.

Google them for yourself.
And lucky for them as well, I'd bring back capital punishment and give the lot life sentences!!!

So you'd hang them, then throw their corpses in the cells as warnings to others...that might work :-)
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Message 1648236 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 17:08:54 UTC

I have googled your particular town and yes there have been some jailings for female violence. However I don't know whether that trend is valid for the whole of the UK, or just endemic where you live.
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Message 1648237 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 17:18:30 UTC - in response to Message 1648236.  
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So google some more, or better try the Wiki :-)

BTW, Peterborough is a city :-)
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Message 1648248 - Posted: 1 Mar 2015, 18:09:15 UTC

I did.

To be more correct Peterborough is one of the ancient Cathedral Cities founded in
1541 due to the Cathedral Church of St Peter, St Paul, & St Andrew.

Official City Status was confirmed by Letters Patent issued under the Great Seal dated 25 June 1974.
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Message 1648594 - Posted: 2 Mar 2015, 22:09:10 UTC

Just down the road from this famous 474 year old "town", absolute power in effect, but the silly billy got caught...

Serco guard suspended! Should've been sacked!

However, was that guard male or female? It would be interesting to know.
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Message 1648642 - Posted: 3 Mar 2015, 1:18:09 UTC - in response to Message 1648594.  
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Just down the road from this famous 474 year old "town", absolute power in effect, but the silly billy got caught...

Serco guard suspended! Should've been sacked!

However, was that guard male or female? It would be interesting to know.


My sister visited Yarl's wood detention centre once a month every month for two and half years. Donations (made by parishioners of local churches) intended for detainees, rarely if ever reached them however. Women detainees, some barely old enough to be considered adults, were regularly sexually harrassed or worse.

Male guards definitely made up the majority throughout that time. My sister's view of them was that they would be very intimidating to work with, let alone be subordinate to. When the church outreach mission raised the matter with outside authorities... they were given this very same statement quoted in your link...

Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons has found the Centre to be a safe and respectful place.

When the mission head took their concerns further, their visits were effectively halted although never "officially". To my knowledge - they have not gained entry since last October. My sister's overall impression, (if Yarl's Wood is anything like a benchmark) of the way asylum seekers are treated in the UK... is not good at all. That they are grateful for even that... and for the few hours of assistance with literacy that the mission group provided them... and for just seeing an English face prepared to smile back at them... was what my sister found to be the most humbling part of her time spent there.

edit: I will temper the above though... because no doubt she will be doing something similar once she has settled in India... it will be interesting to compare her impressions...
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Message 1648750 - Posted: 3 Mar 2015, 9:31:25 UTC

Hi Annie,

Yes, that is uncomfortable reading for anyone. It will indeed be interesting to compare experiences here with South Asia. I wish her well.
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Message 1648823 - Posted: 3 Mar 2015, 16:02:40 UTC - in response to Message 1648642.  

When the mission head took their concerns further, their visits were effectively halted although never "officially". To my knowledge - they have not gained entry since last October. My sister's overall impression, (if Yarl's Wood is anything like a benchmark) of the way asylum seekers are treated in the UK... is not good at all.

I can believe that without hesitating!

I used to cover both sides of the A14 in the Cambridge area & one of the drops was RAF Oakington which at that time had become the immigration centre for this region.

I was often there for at least 20/30 minutes due to the volume of goods being delivered. I covered that run for 2 years but after one particular week, I had seen things I did not like & complained to one of the security guys who I knew personally.

The following week, my run was quicker & lighter as the company had taken Oakington off the list - it became a dedicated drop in itself by a van.

When I enquired as to why, I was told by my transport manager that I was not allowed on site by the security company. Reason given? Driving too fast!

FYI - the maximum speed anywhere on that base was 10mph which I never exceeded.

It's now closed down. I wonder why?
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Message 1648827 - Posted: 3 Mar 2015, 16:26:06 UTC - in response to Message 1648825.  

Oakington


"The centre received repeated criticisms from the Prisons Inspector and from others regarding safety of children and adults detained there. In January 2008, it was announced that the centre was the second worst in the country."

Many here scoff at the actions of other countries, meanwhile at home...
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Message 1648831 - Posted: 3 Mar 2015, 16:35:45 UTC - in response to Message 1648827.  

Many here scoff at the actions of other countries, meanwhile at home...

They follow the fine example of the private US prisons, where profit is king and abuse is how it is made.
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Message 1648832 - Posted: 3 Mar 2015, 16:37:08 UTC - in response to Message 1648831.  

Many here scoff at the actions of other countries, meanwhile at home...

They follow the fine example of the private US prisons, where profit is king and abuse is how it is made.

& we have the nerve to call ourselves civilised!
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Message 1648914 - Posted: 4 Mar 2015, 0:08:19 UTC

Interesting side-discussion, about power and gender in relationships. But that was not the source of my initial post, nor was janneseti's response restricted to that.

Clyde, and others, did/do make the claim that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I suspect that is an old old statement. One that did not really get tested until recent times. (Previous evidence would have been anecdotal.) Also, I am suggesting the possibility that there were flaws in the study referred to in the video for which I provided a link.
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