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Message 1643465 - Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 0:01:15 UTC

Revisiting the amazing hounding that lead to death before justice:


Aaron Swartz stood up for freedom and fairness – and was hounded to his death

On Monday [02/02/2015?], BBC Four screened a remarkable film in its Storyville series. The Internet’s Own Boy told the story of the life and tragic death of Aaron Swartz, the leading geek wunderkind of his generation who was hounded to suicide at the age of 26 by a vindictive US administration. ... it’s the most revealing source of insights about how the state approaches the internet since Edward Snowden first broke cover.

To say Swartz was a prodigy is an understatement...

... A well-constructed telling of the life, prosecution and death of US hacktivist Aaron Swartz, writes Mark Kermode...




This follows on from the original thread.


Only in the USA?

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Message 1643631 - Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 7:45:53 UTC

It was his choice he chose suicide. If he had had the balls to go to trial who knows what MIGHT have happend. In my book he knew he was guilty as hell.
He had an agenda that does need to be brought out into the light. But instead of being the leader of a public crusade. He was a thief. Now matter how you think. He stole those things By hiding his identity.

A hero? I think not.
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Message 1643749 - Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 14:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 1643631.  

A hero? I think not.

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Message 1643981 - Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 8:19:56 UTC - in response to Message 1643751.  

Only in the USA?

Using ML1 'Speak':

Only in GB can a Criminal be...

"Only in USA" is Unthinking, and Agenda Driven.

I read the entire indictment against him. I know Gary did also.
He did some very illegal things by trying to be in the shadows and trying to be unidentified.
But ML1 thinks he is a geek hero.
Thats like saying Al Capone was only guilty of tax evasion.
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Message 1653657 - Posted: 16 Mar 2015, 20:35:13 UTC
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Will/can the USA change for the better on this one small point that cost a revolutionary promising life that many continue to positively benefit from?:


Amendment to Computer Fraud and Abuse Act

... to exclude terms of service violations from the 1986 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and from the wire fraud statute.

Lawrence Lessig wrote of the bill, "this is a critically important change.... The CFAA was the hook for the government's bullying.... This law would remove that hook. In a single line: no longer would it be a felony to breach a contract." Professor Orin Kerr, a specialist in the nexus between computer law and criminal law, wrote that he had been arguing for precisely this sort of reform of the Act for years. The ACLU, too, has called for reform of the CFAA to "remove the dangerously broad criminalization of online activity."...

... The Fair Access to Science and Technology Research Act (FASTR) is a bill that would mandate earlier public release of taxpayer-funded research. FASTR has been described as "The Other Aaron's Law." ... Senator Wyden wrote of the bill, "the FASTR act provides that access because taxpayer funded research should never be hidden behind a paywall."...

... On August 3, 2013, Swartz was posthumously inducted into the Internet Hall of Fame...




IT is what we allow it to be,

And institutional bullying is perpetrated by those we allow to abuse such power...

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Message 1653690 - Posted: 16 Mar 2015, 21:59:20 UTC

Awww, maybe he should have really faced the piper .....
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Message 1653778 - Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 7:02:50 UTC

ML1 you post a damed wikipage? I had hoped you would have posted the link to said Bill. I tried looking for it. But to much garbage was in the way.
Gary that was a long read. And I saw several passages that were in is indictment.
So at the time Mass and CA had laws much the same.
Martin I put Snowden way ahead of Swartz to be in the internet hall of fame. As a matter of fact Snowden is a patriot. Swartz is a criminal.
Snowden showed us what was going on to spy on us and the rest of the world. Swartz wanted to steal what he thought was free domain data by nefarious means.
One is wanted for treason but still alive.
Your hero killed himself. The story might have been a lot bigger if he had the balls to stand trial.
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Message 1653898 - Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 22:05:14 UTC - in response to Message 1653849.  

However. Snowden should stand trial. You do the deed, you face the consequences.


Morning Clyde , I can understand why your saying this but I do disagree , Snowden to me is a bloke that knew what his government was doing is wrong and like a good reporter he blew the whistle , unlike the 2 traitors that passed the plans to Russia to build a nuke .

So I say let him be and drop any warrents and let the guys come back home . Just don't let him work for a government organisation again .
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Message 1654017 - Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 6:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1653928.  

However. Snowden should stand trial. You do the deed, you face the consequences.


Morning Clyde , I can understand why your saying this but I do disagree , Snowden to me is a bloke that knew what his government was doing is wrong and like a good reporter he blew the whistle , unlike the 2 traitors that passed the plans to Russia to build a nuke .

So I say let him be and drop any warrents and let the guys come back home . Just don't let him work for a government organisation again .

Understand.

Just wondering if there is a 'Middle Ground'. Don't know what that might be.

I read on some news blog that he stated he wanted to come home. True or not who knows.
If it is true than he is willing to face a trial. I would hope that if he does come home he dosent have an accident before he goes to trial.
The only safe way I can think of is for him to spill his guts about everything he knows to every news outlet worldwide. Get every dirty secret out of what Our government has been doing to spy on us world wide.
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Message 1654097 - Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 11:50:22 UTC - in response to Message 1654017.  
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Refreshing to here you say that James being a American .

Shorly your gov could do some deal where he get's a slap accross the rist and told from now on your going to be watched with some order from a court. Not that I think he's a real threat just a bit of a iddiot that should have thought about the implications of what he was about to do .

The fact not all the info has been released , just suggests he's not a traitor to release it the way he did as we are still at war .

He can at any time release it but hasn't . Unless Putin is stopping him !!
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Message 1654312 - Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 23:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 1654117.  

Clyde and James I was being polite .

It is well know that America try's to get people to spill there guts on T.V to then later use the footage to hang them .Snowden is not a stupid man

Snowden gave you time to offer him a amnesty before he took political asylum in Russia . Maybe a little less he man B/s and hill billy justice and a bit more honesty and crap won't get stuffed so much

After all you accused the Australian of being a Traitor but has now been given a apology from your gov and it's taken him 14 years to clear his name . After being locked in Guantanamo bay for years .
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Message 1654432 - Posted: 19 Mar 2015, 6:01:35 UTC - in response to Message 1654312.  

Clyde and James I was being polite .

It is well know that America try's to get people to spill there guts on T.V to then later use the footage to hang them .Snowden is not a stupid man

Snowden gave you time to offer him a amnesty before he took political asylum in Russia . Maybe a little less he man B/s and hill billy justice and a bit more honesty and crap won't get stuffed so much

After all you accused the Australian of being a Traitor but has now been given a apology from your gov and it's taken him 14 years to clear his name . After being locked in Guantanamo bay for years .

I have no clue what you mean by spilling your guts out on TV. If you mean folks being interviewed and saying stupid stuff they should not have said. Well the onus is on them. If your on camera or on a mike you better think before you speak. Any fallout that happens is on you not anyone else. Same goes for the twits on twitter and face book and you tube. Dont post things you dont want your mother or a cop to see.
Dont blame me for the US going after him. Like I said he is a patriot who was sick of the crap our own government was doing to not just the US citizen but to the rest of the world.
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Message 1654839 - Posted: 20 Mar 2015, 8:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1654511.  

Dont post things you dont want your mother or a cop to see.

Brave New World.

ALL the stupid 'stuff' I, you, and everyone else say to friends, over a beer. Is now spread worldwide, and is permanent.

Is The Internet, and Social Media, forcing 'Speech Control' upon everyone?

Perhaps a Neo-Puritanism is infecting this Brave New World.

Well if you have friends over ban the phones and video cameras. How does one get oneself posted over youtube acting like an idiot? And that Durst guy confessing on audio?
Consider the world wired. Hell your TV set can blow you in now.
Thought control? You may be right. The NKVD and the Gestopo never had it so good.
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Message 1669634 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 0:59:12 UTC
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Despite the complete unawareness of some posters on this thread, at least some of the "Lawmakers" of the USA realise how some so called "crimes" as claimed are ridiculous...


'Aaron's Law' back on the table to bring sanity to US hacking laws

Zofgren, Wyden and Paul back changes to Computer Fraud and Abuse Act

... The bill [PDF] would reform the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) to make sure it did not fall so heavily on minor abuses of terms and conditions.

Its namesake, Aaron Swartz faced up to 35 years in jail, and a $1m fine...

... As a result of his actions, Swartz was arrested under breaking-and-entering charges under state law, and then prosecuted under federal law for 11 violations of the CFAA – actions that many felt were wholly out of proportion to what he actually did.

Swartz turned down a plea bargain that would have seen him sentenced to six months in jail; the day after his counteroffer was rejected, he was found dead in his New York apartment having hanged himself...

... The senator also said: "Violating a smartphone app’s terms of service or sharing academic articles should not be punished more harshly than a government agency hacking into Senate files" - a reference to the controversial CIA hacking of the Senate Intelligence Committee's computers last year. He went on: "The CFAA is so inconsistently and capriciously applied it results in misguided, heavy-handed prosecution. Aaron’s Law would curb this abuse while still preserving the tools needed to prosecute malicious attacks."...



So... USA 'law' is all just a capricious game of "gameshow" plea bargaining...

And yet people die before ever reaching Justice...


Only in the USA?...

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Message 1669654 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 2:26:57 UTC - in response to Message 1669634.  

Despite the complete unawareness of some posters on this thread, at least some of the "Lawmakers" of the USA realise how some so called "crimes" as claimed are ridiculous...


'Aaron's Law' back on the table to bring sanity to US hacking laws

Zofgren, Wyden and Paul back changes to Computer Fraud and Abuse Act

... The bill [PDF] would reform the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) to make sure it did not fall so heavily on minor abuses of terms and conditions.

Its namesake, Aaron Swartz faced up to 35 years in jail, and a $1m fine...

... As a result of his actions, Swartz was arrested under breaking-and-entering charges under state law, and then prosecuted under federal law for 11 violations of the CFAA – actions that many felt were wholly out of proportion to what he actually did.

Swartz turned down a plea bargain that would have seen him sentenced to six months in jail; the day after his counteroffer was rejected, he was found dead in his New York apartment having hanged himself...

... The senator also said: "Violating a smartphone app’s terms of service or sharing academic articles should not be punished more harshly than a government agency hacking into Senate files" - a reference to the controversial CIA hacking of the Senate Intelligence Committee's computers last year. He went on: "The CFAA is so inconsistently and capriciously applied it results in misguided, heavy-handed prosecution. Aaron’s Law would curb this abuse while still preserving the tools needed to prosecute malicious attacks."...



So... USA 'law' is all just a capricious game of "gameshow" plea bargaining...

And yet people die before ever reaching Justice...


Only in the USA?...

All in our only one world,
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So your geek hero decided to Kill himslef rather then do 6 months In a minimum security prison.
He did not violate a cell phone app. And he he didnt just share academic papers. He stole those papers by breaking and enetering and hacking into the data base. He also wilfully hid his idenetity in committing those thefts.
If he had not killed himself who knows what effect he may have made in changing the laws he so hated to abide by. He might have even been found innocent.
We will never know because he didnt have the balls to stand up for his own beliefs.
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Message 1669660 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 3:32:53 UTC - in response to Message 1669654.  

Despite the complete unawareness of some posters on this thread, at least some of the "Lawmakers" of the USA realise how some so called "crimes" as claimed are ridiculous...


'Aaron's Law' back on the table to bring sanity to US hacking laws

Zofgren, Wyden and Paul back changes to Computer Fraud and Abuse Act

... The bill [PDF] would reform the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) to make sure it did not fall so heavily on minor abuses of terms and conditions.

Its namesake, Aaron Swartz faced up to 35 years in jail, and a $1m fine...

... As a result of his actions, Swartz was arrested under breaking-and-entering charges under state law, and then prosecuted under federal law for 11 violations of the CFAA – actions that many felt were wholly out of proportion to what he actually did.

Swartz turned down a plea bargain that would have seen him sentenced to six months in jail; the day after his counteroffer was rejected, he was found dead in his New York apartment having hanged himself...

... The senator also said: "Violating a smartphone app’s terms of service or sharing academic articles should not be punished more harshly than a government agency hacking into Senate files" - a reference to the controversial CIA hacking of the Senate Intelligence Committee's computers last year. He went on: "The CFAA is so inconsistently and capriciously applied it results in misguided, heavy-handed prosecution. Aaron’s Law would curb this abuse while still preserving the tools needed to prosecute malicious attacks."...



So... USA 'law' is all just a capricious game of "gameshow" plea bargaining...

And yet people die before ever reaching Justice...


Only in the USA?...

All in our only one world,
Martin

So your geek hero decided to Kill himslef rather then do 6 months In a minimum security prison.
He did not violate a cell phone app. And he he didnt just share academic papers. He stole those papers by breaking and enetering and hacking into the data base. He also wilfully hid his idenetity in committing those thefts.
If he had not killed himself who knows what effect he may have made in changing the laws he so hated to abide by. He might have even been found innocent.
We will never know because he didnt have the balls to stand up for his own beliefs.

Yes, 6 months at Club Fed. Ask Martha Stewart how bad that is .....
Maybe he should have faced those state charges, for breaking and entering, felony, 10 years hard time. Mind you that wasn't a computer crime, that was a physical crime, a burglar breaking into a building.

I see Martin is still up to his self denial. One sentence he says 35 years, next sentence he says six months. He knows which is correct but he can't cry hes tears over the true statement, so he has to say the other in a bid to attempt to get false sympathy for him. It isn't working Martin. Everyone sees your ploy.

The coward should have been happy with the deal. Six months vacation with free room and board is a good deal compared to Massachusetts making you a felon with loss of civil rights and putting you into a cell with Bubba to be his wife. But if you break into someplace, then you deserve to be punished.
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Message 2056582 - Posted: 7 Sep 2020, 0:32:31 UTC - in response to Message 1643465.  

Revisiting the amazing hounding that lead to death before justice:


Aaron Swartz stood up for freedom and fairness – and was hounded to his death

On Monday [02/02/2015?], BBC Four screened a remarkable film in its Storyville series. The Internet’s Own Boy told the story of the life and tragic death of Aaron Swartz, the leading geek wunderkind of his generation who was hounded to suicide at the age of 26 by a vindictive US administration. ... it’s the most revealing source of insights about how the state approaches the internet since Edward Snowden first broke cover.

To say Swartz was a prodigy is an understatement...

... A well-constructed telling of the life, prosecution and death of US hacktivist Aaron Swartz, writes Mark Kermode...




This follows on from the original thread.


And here in more recent times, COVID-19 reaches back to raise the dead:

Will COVID-19 mark the end of scientific publishing as we know it?
wrote:
Randy Schekman is getting a bit tired of talking about this.

But then, this could be the last time he has to.

"The argument for open access is so obvious, it's painful to have to repeat it," says Schekman, a 2013 Nobel laureate and UC Berkeley biologist. "The public pays for the research, and yet they can't read the research. Physicians don't have access to the literature—startup biotech companies at the forefront of discovery can't afford the licenses."

"It's obvious that this is the way it has to be," he says.

Under the pressure of a global health crisis, the argument for open access has sunk in...

... "You can't sit on this stuff," says Ann Glusker, Berkeley's sociology, demography, and quantitative research librarian and a former epidemiologist. "If you put it out there, you're going to inform others about how to proceed, and you're going to save thousands, millions, of lives, potentially...

... The White House is now considering a policy to mandate that all federally funded research be published open access, even outside of pandemics. (Publishers have rallied [railed?] in protest, penning a letter to President Donald Trump warning that the policy would "jeopardize the intellectual property of American organizations" and "force us to give it away to the rest of the world for free.")...



To break open the expensive monopolistic restrictive stifling Guilds of science journals:

Does it really need a world-wide pandemic? And how many deaths??

There has to be a better way...


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Message 2056590 - Posted: 7 Sep 2020, 1:32:32 UTC - in response to Message 2056582.  

The White House is now considering a policy to mandate that all federally funded research be published open access, even outside of pandemics.

This will have to be defeated on that sentence alone. There is no way government funded research in other fields is going to be made public. Just think about all research that is done for the security organisations and the military.
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Message 2056596 - Posted: 7 Sep 2020, 2:35:16 UTC - in response to Message 2056590.  

The White House is now considering a policy to mandate that all federally funded research be published open access, even outside of pandemics.

This will have to be defeated on that sentence alone. There is no way government funded research in other fields is going to be made public. Just think about all research that is done for the security organisations and the military.

I can just see all the nuclear weapons research being given to ISIS.
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Message 2056599 - Posted: 7 Sep 2020, 3:21:26 UTC - in response to Message 2056582.  

To break open the expensive monopolistic restrictive stifling Guilds of science journals:
FFS! I can't believe a Brit posted the above, especially after having endured for years many taunts from Brits that the Irish are thick.
NOW I'm really wondering just who is.
A pandemic would be a teddy bear's picnic compared to all those "lovely" terrorists out there with access to all that "lovely" data...
...at little expense or danger to themselves.
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