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Profile MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes
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Message 1635997 - Posted: 1 Feb 2015, 6:31:05 UTC
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Love This Old Guy

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Message 1636122 - Posted: 1 Feb 2015, 16:24:18 UTC - in response to Message 1635997.  

Platitudes, an illuminating glimpse at the obvious and to top it all off : "The sky is falling".

What ever shall we do ??
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Message 1636857 - Posted: 3 Feb 2015, 3:15:04 UTC - in response to Message 1636668.  



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Message 1636888 - Posted: 3 Feb 2015, 6:11:43 UTC - in response to Message 1636857.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime
In March 2012, an ABC News series about "pink slime" included claims that approximately 70 percent of ground beef sold in U.S. supermarkets contained the additive at that time, after which some companies and organizations stopped offering ground beef with the product. "Pink slime" was claimed by some originally to have been used as pet food and cooking oil and later approved for public consumption,[9] but this was disputed in April 2012, by both the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) administrator responsible for approving the product and Beef Products, Inc. (BPI), the largest U.S. producer.[10][11] In September 2012 BPI filed a lawsuit against American Broadcasting Company for false claims.[12]
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On September 13, 2012, BPI announced that it filed a $1.2 billion lawsuit against ABC News, three reporters (Diane Sawyer, Jim Avila and David Kerley) and others
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On March 27, 2014, South Dakota state court Judge Cheryle Gering dismissed ABC's motion to dismiss, and allowed the defamation suit to move forward.[101]

I'd be careful what you post about it now, it looks like the lawyers have nothing better to do than bankrupt and collect.
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Message 1636993 - Posted: 3 Feb 2015, 14:10:01 UTC

@Sarge (et al): Just to explain my now oddly out of place post, the person's name that prompted it has changed, so it may be disregarded. :^)
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@Sarge (et al): Just to explain my now oddly out of place post, the person's name that prompted it has changed, so it may be disregarded. :^)

I totally got it. :)
Gary, see the link?
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Message 1637142 - Posted: 4 Feb 2015, 1:38:20 UTC

I have mixed feelings about whether I want to watch the entire one hour and fifteen minutes of that video. Is it worth the time?
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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.
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Message 1637173 - Posted: 4 Feb 2015, 4:06:19 UTC

I have mixed feelings about whether I want to watch the entire one hour and fifteen minutes of that video. Is it worth the time?


No. Everything is BullShat. BullShat, in, How Can Any Idea to Better The Earth, Come to Fruition?

But, I Love The Guy. Almost 100 and Been Working his Whole Life Inventing Real Products and His Futurist Ideas are As GOoD as Any. And Better than Many.

The Venus Project is GOoD Stuff.

Better than Anything Hustlin'Hussein and Any Other DEM/Libs have Spewed. And Better than Most Futurists. And there Are Many Great Ones.

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Message 1638392 - Posted: 7 Feb 2015, 1:02:33 UTC - in response to Message 1637142.  

I have mixed feelings about whether I want to watch the entire one hour and fifteen minutes of that video. Is it worth the time?


Maybe it is a video with a lib lib lib agenda?
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Message 1638407 - Posted: 7 Feb 2015, 1:58:26 UTC - in response to Message 1638392.  

Maybe it is a video with a lib lib lib agenda?

I think that is a lib to the third power.
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Message 1638464 - Posted: 7 Feb 2015, 6:14:58 UTC - in response to Message 1638407.  

Maybe it is a video with a lib lib lib agenda?

I think that is a lib to the third power.

Maybe the binary operation is multiplication instead of exponentiation? If so, then it is 3lib!
Oops, I just gave King Assume Elitist Fake Non-Elitist more reason to hate on me.
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Message 1638474 - Posted: 7 Feb 2015, 6:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 1638464.  

Maybe it is a video with a lib lib lib agenda?

I think that is a lib to the third power.

Maybe the binary operation is multiplication instead of exponentiation? If so, then it is 3lib!
Oops, I just gave King Assume Elitist Fake Non-Elitist more reason to hate on me.
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No no no, it is left shift 3 on a base 3 register, so for you decimal heads, multiply by 27!
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Message 1638742 - Posted: 7 Feb 2015, 23:23:16 UTC
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OK, I watched it last night, and have been thinking about it since then.

Initial thoughts: Looks like something out of Star Trek. I'll get back to this in a few.

Next something occurred to me. They even cautioned in the video that some would think of this, and dismissed them as only "being afraid of something new...". However, it is NOT new.

Two of the several things the guy advocates as *necessary* are:

1. Abolition of private property (resources held in common for all humanity). And
2. Centrally planned economy.

Sound familiar? It should...

It is a tech-ed up version of Communism. Communism has NEVER worked. A little something gets in the way... Something that he denies the existence of. Human Nature.

He makes a big thing in the video about how the concept of territory (hence property) (both individual and group) is culturally learned. To refute, might I point out the large number of other animals on this planet that have either an individual (solitary animals such as bears, tigers, cougars) or a group (social animals such as monkeys/apes, lions and wolves) concept of 'territory'. These animals will do a kind of 'war' on their territorial rivals. Granted, the concept is more highly developed in humans, primarily due to our capacity for abstract reason, but there is definitely a biological origin for the concept that predates humanity, unless of course, you believe that somehow all the animals somehow 'learned' it from humans even way back several million years ago when there were no humans yet...

Ever been a parent? All too frequently, one of the initial concepts a toddler expresses is that of 'MINE!!!'. No, sorry, territoriality is not a learned, cultural behavior. I strongly disagree with this point of his.

Also, he alludes to the root cause of the problem, but does not actually state he is going to solve it. The root cause, the proverbial "gorilla in the corner"? The sheer size of human population. All about 7 billion of us...

He mentions an example of 10 people on a large island, somewhat of a Garden of Eden paradise in his refutation of the need for money. Exactly... A very LOW population, with all their basic needs met. He mentions 8000 acres per person.

Now then, there are 36,800,000,000 acres of land on the Earth's surface. Obivously not ALL of that is 'paradise'. Divide through by the about 7 billion current human population and that leaves about 5.5 acres per person. A FAR cry from his figure of 8000 / person. Even assuming, somehow, that technology can somehow make everywhere on land into a habitable paradise, his figure of 8000 acres per person would mean a max human population of 4,600,000. Yes, that is Four Million, Six Hundred Thousand. Maximum. Hmm... Over 99.9% of the people alive today are gonna have to croak-it for his math to work out.

Remember, I mentioned Star Trek? Well, in the show, the Earth DID develop what this guy calls a 'Resource based economy'... AFTER a population crash caused by nuclear war in World War III (somewhere around the earth year 2050, if memory serves).. Also, when they mention population of planets, FREQUENTLY they are in the hundreds of thousands to low millions...

He mentions that the planet has a capacity for 'self-repair' and to be sustainable we would have to cause an amount of environmental damage per year that is LESS than the planet's capacity to repair it per year. Undoubtedly how he arrived at his 8000 acres/person figure.

About the most interesting thing in his video (to me at any rate) is his concepts on city design. But then those concepts are not really very new. When I first saw, in the video, his pet city layout, the first thing I thought of was the description of the mythical city of Atlantis back in Ancient Greek writings...

Nope, 'project venus', while it has some good observations of some of our problems, is and will remain a utopian pipe dream. It won't work.

Edit: Quick! Lets save the planet!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZEp3PA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdytOGnUFoI
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Message 1638774 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 0:55:21 UTC
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Kong, this is patently breaking the rules.
We do not follow the links of those who will not follow ours, let alone when no description or thoughts of one's own on the link were shared.
Besides, from your description, this has absolutely nothing do with the planet Venus nor the mythical goddess Venus. I call that bait and switch. Let the market sort it out and do not click the links. :)
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Message 1638784 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 1:16:51 UTC - in response to Message 1638774.  

Kong, this is patently breaking the rules.
We do not follow the links of those who will not follow ours, let alone when no description or thoughts of one's own on the link were shared.
Besides, from your description, this has absolutely nothing do with the planet Venus nor the mythical goddess Venus. I call that bait and switch. Let the market sort it out and do not click the links. :)



Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights" wrote:

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
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Message 1638803 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 4:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 1638784.  
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Kong, this is patently breaking the rules.
We do not follow the links of those who will not follow ours, let alone when no description or thoughts of one's own on the link were shared.
Besides, from your description, this has absolutely nothing do with the planet Venus nor the mythical goddess Venus. I call that bait and switch. Let the market sort it out and do not click the links. :)



Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights" wrote:

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.


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Message 1638829 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 7:49:03 UTC

Man O Live. Lookin' Up fO 400 Years, I've Seen Venus in All 'Its' Glory. Wishin' I Could Be There Now and fOevA mO. For A Cool Lava Rockin' One As I, being with My HOT FLOWIN' Lava Rockin' Mates of Venus would Be Heaven. I'll Have to Put Project 'Venus' at Da Top of List for Future Plans. HOHUM.

HOHUM. Beating Dat DRum DRum to The HOT FLOWIN' Lava Melody of My DReams DReams.

Now Back to My DENIAL of CC and My Three Jobs(Lookin' Up fOevA; Standin' Still fO evA; and DRumDRumin' to Dat Cool Lava Rockin' Beat Beat).

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Message 1638909 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 13:26:32 UTC
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Like your new screen name Dull, it gives hope in some way. (sorry for being off topic)
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Message 1638964 - Posted: 8 Feb 2015, 16:37:26 UTC

The Moai statues by the Rapa Nui people from rock on the Chilean Polynesian island of Easter Island were carved between the 1250-1500 AD. Rather more than 400 years ago.


Dr. HOHUM ROTFLCLRAO. Wonderin' When Some Got Nothing Better to Do Brainiac would Come Up wif Dat. What YOU Don't Know Mr. S E T I Statue 'Man' 'is' dat I ONLY Became Self-Aware 400 Years Ago. 'It's' A Process ONLY The Coolest Lava Rockers Can Do. Get 'it'? I Knew Dat YOu COuld.

HOHUM. Lookin' Up Da 'Facts' 'Facts' fO 400 'Years' 'Years' while Beatin' dat DRum DRum. HOHUM.

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