So I have been successful at installing and running Boinc. I had an issue with the GPU and found a lot of info on how to solve <cc_config> with that now working I want to optimise. I have gone to the lunautic website tried to just down load the cpu optimize with note pad and thats not the app I should use. What app should I open with or better how do I install. Is it automatic or manual install? Im using windows 8.1 and don't want to upgrade GPU because I have the 340 version nividia driver just want to do better with CPU.

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Welcome Back - things have changed somewhat in the time you've been away!

First, your GPU is usable, even if it is somewhat old, but you will have to roll back the driver to something OLDER than 340.x, I would try a 320.x driver. To do this you will have to do a clean installation, select the "advanced" option, the "clean" option. (You might have to run the installer under "administrator" mode).

When installing "Lunatics" don't worry at first about all the ins and outs of the various config files, get the system working in its most basic mode first. The installer (currently at version .43) is available use the correct version (32 or 64 bit) for your system (I think you are using the 32bit version of Windows, so that's the one you want). Once the installer is running you can choose the application needed. Generally the CPU version is correct, but the GPU can be a bit of a challenge - make sure you de-select the AMD/ATI & Intel GPUS, and only the most basic of the Nvidia GPUs. The great thing is Mike's installer creates a "good basic" set of configuration files, which makes life a bit simpler.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Thank you for taking the time to respond . I tried to download Lunatics Installer v0.43a (32-bit) and it says I cant run that AP on my computer ?
I tried downloading AP7 32-bit SSE3 CPU r2692 to see if I could run this since im good with my GPU set up and I could not open this file. So Im pretty lost here .

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OK, first, did you down grade the GPU drivers to 322.x - if not it is probable that you won't get any GPU work.
Next, I'm fairly certain that your GPU doesn't support the required level of OpenCL to do AP work, so you are stuck with doing MB work on it.
You should be able to run the sse2 version of the AP CPU application, which will allow you to run APs on the CPU (I use that on my AMD farm, and it is quite rapid, but nowhere near as fast as the sse3 or ssse3 would be on on I7...)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

I can download the installer but when I try to open it it says . I cant run the 32 bit ap on my computer .

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OK, a bit of digging on the crazy naming used by MS on the Windows 8.1 family - it would appear that I have led you slightly astray - your version is probably a 64 bit version, thus you need to use the 64 bit installer.

BUT before you do that, get the 320.x or 322. version of the driver for your GPU. This is one of those cases where the latest version (34x.y series) is not going to work properly.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

OK, a bit of digging on the crazy naming used by MS on the Windows 8.1 family - it would appear that I have led you slightly astray - your version is probably a 64 bit version, thus you need to use the 64 bit installer.

Microsoft Windows 8.1 Core x86 Edition shows it's 32 bit. He won't be able to run a true 64 bit program on his 32 bit OS, even when his CPU is of a 64 bit variety.

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Rob you were correct I have 32 bit version of windows 8 8.1 . The Lunatics web site isnt letting me install 32 bit but allowed me to install the 64 bit ap . Not sure what it was detecting the CPU instructions or the OS version . I installed after downloading older Nvidia drivers . Einstein@home ran fine Rosetta@home ran fine. I checked the log files and all the seti@home files had errors. I was getting errors as soon as it was fetching new ones . I stopped tasks 1 hour later I received 7 seti@home wu . I will leave no new tasks till these run see if they error.

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Your computer isn't loading the Lunatics app - here is the text from one of your returned tasks:

<core_client_version>7.4.36</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
couldn't start app: CreateProcess() failed - (unknown error)
</message>
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OK, a bit bemusing I know, but the first line gives the version of BOINC that you are running, which is OK.
Now is the error message, which tells me that, although you have been able to download and run the "64-bit" Lunatics app it isn't installed correctly, or is the totally wrong version for your PC.

Here's a typical valid result from one of my PCs so you can see the difference in amount of information. (This one happens to be a task that ran on a GPU, but, even without understanding the detail you can see the difference):

<core_client_version>7.4.32</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
setiathome_CUDA: Found 1 CUDA device(s):
Device 1: GeForce GTX 980, 4095 MiB, regsPerBlock 65536
computeCap 5.2, multiProcs 16
pciBusID = 2, pciSlotID = 0
In cudaAcc_initializeDevice(): Boinc passed DevPref 1
setiathome_CUDA: CUDA Device 1 specified, checking...
Device 1: GeForce GTX 980 is okay
SETI@home using CUDA accelerated device GeForce GTX 980
pulsefind: blocks per SM 4 (Fermi or newer default)
pulsefind: periods per launch 100 (default)
Priority of process set to BELOW_NORMAL (default) successfully
Priority of worker thread set successfully

setiathome enhanced x41zc, Cuda 5.00

Detected setiathome_enhanced_v7 task. Autocorrelations enabled, size 128k elements.
Work Unit Info:
...............
WU true angle range is : 2.717881

Kepler GPU current clockRate = 1240 MHz

re-using dev_GaussFitResults array for dev_AutoCorrIn, 4194304 bytes
re-using dev_GaussFitResults+524288x8 array for dev_AutoCorrOut, 4194304 bytes
Thread call stack limit is: 1k
cudaAcc_free() called...
cudaAcc_free() running...
cudaAcc_free() PulseFind freed...
cudaAcc_free() Gaussfit freed...
cudaAcc_free() AutoCorrelation freed...
cudaAcc_free() DONE.

Flopcounter: 16354073819555.449000

Spike count: 4
Autocorr count: 4
Pulse count: 0
Triplet count: 2
Gaussian count: 0
Worker preemptively acknowledging a normal exit.->
called boinc_finish
Exit Status: 0
boinc_exit(): requesting safe worker shutdown ->
boinc_exit(): received safe worker shutdown acknowledge ->
Cuda threadsafe ExitProcess() initiated, rval 0

</stderr_txt>
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OK, so what's wrong with my PC you may ask...
First: Did it ever work on the "native" (non-Lunatics) applications?
If it has run OK, what has changed since then?
I see this computer was "created" only a few days ago, so my guess is that it hasn't run SETI properly in that time.
This being the case I would roll back the clock a bit and remove Lunatics you have installed, and the cc_config.xml file. This will trigger BOINC into getting clean copies of the stock application (which is only a few percent slower than the Lunatics offering. (it was back-ported from them not that long ago). This will get you running a "clean" setup.
Once that is running and stable worry about tuning (I haven't bothered tuning my systems that much), and would say your CPU is about the same as my Phenom based system so should be good for about 2-3000 credits per day. (Yes I know the Phenom has six cores and a GPU, but two cores are not running most of the time, and I did some benchmarking without the GPU installed so I could see what crunching rate the GPU gave me).


(If you click on my user name you can see my computers, and a summary of what they are doing)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Thanks again and am going to back track and see if I can figure this out with your info..

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Apropos, a little explanation on what I meant.

Windows 32bit cannot run 64bit applications, not even when you have a 64bit CPU.
Windows 64bit can run both 32bit and 64bit applications.

Now we turn to the wonders of BOINC: because science applications running under BOINC are not started directly by Windows, but instead by BOINC, it is possible to run 64bit science applications on a 64bit CPU using 32bit BOINC and 32bit Windows (or Linux, or FreeBSD, or Unix, or whatever). Especially so when you use the anonymous platform, as by doing so you tell BOINC which application to use. And it will. Well, as long as the CPU is 64bit.

It won't work when the CPU is also 32bit.

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A quick look shows that Everette's PC is now crunching away, and has just had its first Valid confirmed, with 3 more pending.
Leave it running like this for a week or so to make sure it is stable and get a feeling for how fast it will process a task. I notice there are a couple of AP work units, don't be surprised if these take a substantial time - its the nature of the beast.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

I have a dual boot set up First boot is Linux 64 bit Second boot is this windows 8 32 bit. My better half hates Linux and some program she likes to run for her pictures is 32 bit so I did it this way. Now the issue is on Lunatic website I have down loaded 32 bit app when I click on it it says I cant run this app on my computer. So then I down load the 64 bit app and it installs. The einstein@home and rosetta@home seem to work fine but seti@home has errors right away I check log and yep I have issues. So Rob in another post has been coaching me to get back on track running seti@home with out mods . So If it works I need to figure out how to run the lunatic 32 bit app.

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Thanks again Rob I think its working in stock mode. Ill keep it up for a week hope no errors. Whats funny when I ran Seti before I had 50 computer farm everything overclocked a crazy electric bill running Setispy it took months to get a Rac of 2000.

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